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I have an idea for this in ways that could benefit everybody. instead of re-releasing the old party hats, how about this.

1) Make a short (week long) TH event with a fairly large series (maybe 5) of less impressive looking cosmetic versions that you have to create with
Partyhat Fragments
, similar to the 15th anniversary partyhat.

2) Make these new partyhats and fragments all untradeable, and require maybe 1000-2000 fragments to make each complete cosmetic.

3) Give TH
jade gems
with only a small portion of the necessary Partyhat fragments. 25-50 tops?

4) After completing these partyhats, which with buying keys and bonds, would be really expensive. you can combine them all for a tradable New rare, the Black Partyhat which will likely rise in price similar to how the Black Santa Hat took off.

5) This would take a lottt of money or gp to get the keys to get enough fragments for even a single partyhat, let alone all of them to form the rare new Black. We cant exactly have a new rare if its so easy to get. the New Black partyhat shouldn't be an expensive item until at least a year after its release. though I expect the rich people who invested so much money and gp to get the partyhat would disagree.

6) to give everybody an equal chance to get them, and not just the rich investors. create Onyx Gems on TH for completed cosmetic versions, not including the Black. which could work with kind of a Gemerator effect? I would assume although its an onyx gem, its still just an event gem. so I think the rarity and chance to get should be in between red gems and purple gems.

I don't know forum rules as well as I should, but I'm going to copy this post and make a new thread for this idea to see how people react. if there is a problem with that I apologize!
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17-Oct-2016 19:46:44

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since this thread is active and similar to mine, may I post my QFC for my idea of Cosmetic partyhats on TH? its a similar idea, but I think it fits and/or fixes the ideas and disagreements in this thread.

Personally I don't see a benefit for people if the rarest item was re-released for free, let alone easy to obtain for those with the bils and dollars to afford endless keys and get full sets to make themselves insanely and unfairly richer.

but instead, if they made a similar set of partyhats, not tradable, no matching colors, slight graphical differences. maybe a form of trim or design on it to separate it from existing partyhat style. but
NOT TRADABLE
is the highest priority of this entire idea. so nothing becomes "rare" and nobody can use this idea simply to get rich quick for free.

then at least it would not affect the wealth or value of current hats, people would still be happy with having partyhats, people with partyhats would still remain on top, and everybody can remain happy
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25-Nov-2016 19:07:35 - Last edited on 25-Nov-2016 22:22:22 by Whatusaytome

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how about this thread die, and we move to my similar topic Cosmetic Partyhat Event thread.

its similar, but my idea is,
1) no currently existing partyhats will be copied
2) no partyhats in my event will be the same colors as current partyhats
3) hopefully there would be graphical differences to be able to tell apart from normal partyhats
4)
NOTHING IS TRADABLE OR RARE

5) make it like the 15th anniversary partyhat event where people get partyhat fragments and form the hats, except this time its treasure hunter with multiple colors, exchangeable similarly to seasons items (branches, blossoms, seeds, leaves)
6) in case you missed it the first time....
NOTHING TRADABLE OR RARE ADDED!!!!!


ideas for this instead of ruining the biggest rare in the game?

Edit: heres the qfc for this

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27-Nov-2016 21:43:23 - Last edited on 27-Nov-2016 21:47:04 by Whatusaytome

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If simply being the same shape would be enough to demolish the prices of the most valuable rare in game, then explain to me why the Black Santa did not demolish the Red Santa. but instead only made both more valuable over time.

Now I specifically said make them graphically different than remaining partyhats. which means there will be changes in how the item would look an a character, changes on how it looks in the inventory.

the items base design for how it looks as an inventory item can easily be very different, like how they remade the design on rings. obviously different than before and it looks like a brand new item.

You cannot say an idea will trash the most valuable rare in the game without a real justification and example.
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28-Nov-2016 20:09:52

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Turksta said:
Whatusaytome said:
If simply being the same shape would be enough to demolish the prices of the most valuable rare in game, then explain to me why the Black Santa did not demolish the Red Santa. but instead only made both more valuable over time.

Now I specifically said make them graphically different than remaining partyhats. which means there will be changes in how the item would look an a character, changes on how it looks in the inventory.

the items base design for how it looks as an inventory item can easily be very different, like how they remade the design on rings. obviously different than before and it looks like a brand new item.

You cannot say an idea will trash the most valuable rare in the game without a real justification and example.

Personally given the high price of these items, i just want the creators of the game to leave partyhats alone.
Also black santa hat has a different design to the original santa hat.


so you are saying that a graphically different item being added to the game has actually made an in-game rare rise in value, despite still being a santa hat and looking like a santa hat only of a different color? strange, this sounds like the example outcome of what im suggesting. only my idea doesn't add rares or tradables. hmmm maybe we should make them tradable so the prices rise more like this santa hat example.

but I still think tradables is a bad idea in general because #richgetricher
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29-Nov-2016 15:41:52

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As I posted in the thread for rereleasing partyhats , just go to the marketplace forum for discontinued rares and see what people are doing. Having two threads for buying and selling "pm me" for any and all partyhats with 450 self bumps. How is that not an overpowered advantage over every single player in game. How is that not encouraging them to do it until they can rwt it away to retire. And how is that "being good at runescape". Its a cheat.
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10-May-2017 00:54:53 - Last edited on 10-May-2017 00:55:55 by Whatusaytome

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Draco Burnz said:
Kalea Sprite said:
So, supporting Partyhats on Treasure Hunter would actually help Jagex increase two revenue streams, their sales of Bonds as well as their sales of Keys.

Thus, supporting Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is a guaranteed method to help more people enjoy the partyhats, as well as help Jagex increase sales which means they will be able to fund the development of awesome new updates for everyone to enjoy!


Yet still shouldnt happen.


Reasons why not please.
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10-May-2017 17:41:16

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Crazyambo said:
LOL

this will never happen, its a horrible idea and devalues 15 years of valuable items.

Phats should continue to rise not be destroyed by TH trash.

Definitely no. Jagex will never do this, please close tihs topic.


So did you skip the past few pages and post an uninformed comment? Seems like you did.
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10-May-2017 19:00:13

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Edit: snipped first paragraph due to my poor reading skills.

No offense but the reason people want more partyhats is because there are not enough. And nobody is asking for them to be dirt cheap or removed as end game items. There's just no reason for any item to exceed the max stack cap. They can remain as max stack like their ge value display says for all I care. I still wouldn't be able to buy one.

Or you can check out my Cosmetic Partyhat Event thread for nontradable cosmetics of new color partyhats.
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19-May-2017 18:22:24 - Last edited on 19-May-2017 18:37:23 by Whatusaytome

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Smasherley said:
Awwh.. How cute... look at all the butt hurt wannabes who don't want to have to earn wealth but instead think they have some strange right to have it for free....

Bless

Keep dreaming kids

p.s you don't need to merch/stake to be a billionaire but you do need to actually do something other than bank stand begging jagex to put everything on treasure hunter for you

Rather than finding ways to lower plats to the gp cap isn't it about time jagex raised the cap above 2147m.. It's so outdated and I'm sure was something the ninja were looking into

I don't support .. Why should you be given something for nothing? Why should other people have to pay for your bone idle laziness. I've earned my bank bossing and am nearly 200m slayer and if you want a party hat then you'll have to get good... It's a lovely item isn't it...

When I paid a mere 1.2 billion for mine it was all I ever wanted too. I don't support lazy people getting one for nothing. Earn it or go cry in a corner


Look at the cute entitled brat who claims he is better than everybody for "earning wealth". You don't earn anything now with the absurd inflation rate giving you your wealth. The partyhat was your goal? Was that because it looks nice or is it because it gives you an unfair advantage to everything else in game?

Thanks for saying you don't need to merch or stake to become billionaires. Explain in detail the methods you use other than inflation abuse?

Rather them fix one set of items than reworking the entire game. So cap is fine. Players only have megamultibillions because of overpriced item manipulation and staking anyway. Very few in comparison get billions, let alone 12-50b from even hardest bosses.

Glad you paid 1.2b and feel like you earned the rest of what that purple is currently worth. That inflation sure is legitimate earning alright.
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31-May-2017 18:08:44 - Last edited on 31-May-2017 18:09:22 by Whatusaytome

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Yep, and you are the only phat owner ever to not flip it for bils, right? Doesn't matter that you can spend your entire life on bosses and claim others can. Partyhat has no legitimate reason to be as expensive or limited as it is. You want to keep wearing it? Go ahead, use your boss profits and start a large collection of them.

Don't want other people to have them because you feel superior? Get over yourself :)
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31-May-2017 19:15:55

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There are not many left. Don't be so delusional. You probably only see them because you have one, and you look for that same elitist crowd to talk to.

I don't even want them brought in through TH and I'm far from begging. I'm proving your superiority complex exists, thanks for admitting it. Your opinion is absolutely no different from any other owner who has commented so far.
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31-May-2017 19:31:35

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You could say I'm more so using your vocal opinions of what I say about partyhats as confirmation to my beliefs on them. You are doing a great job at displaying the behavior that comes with them.

Granted not every single owner is like you, I know of two who legitimately earned theirs and even they admit the gains from the inflation over the years is unfair and unreasonable.

I'm supportive of dropping their value even if its not low enough for my bank to buy. And I'm supportive of making their value unchangeable to use as placeholders for the rich banks, and get entirely rid of two important things, manipulation and inflation.

I don't support an infinite supply, and I would support new colors so long as currents get taken care of.

It's time jagex actually fixed some of the leading factors to multi billion abuse.
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31-May-2017 20:00:33

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None of them earned inflation, that's thankful to manipulation entirely. That's fair for elitists to manipulate the highest margin item and reap every abusive benefit from it? Not a chance. Let's get a jmod here to say how they feel about the legitimacy behind the phat market as a whole? :)
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31-May-2017 20:04:22

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Kalea Sprite said:
Smasherley said:
I am also not going to feel bad because I have like 10 120s, NEARLY trimmed comp, phat, full shadow dyed magic gear, Max cash in the bank and the increase in some rares inc the phat which isn't for sale so value is irrelevant to me. I have got it all without merching, staking or scamming and for that I'll have nothing but pride.. If that makes me an elitist then sound. I am a perfectionist, I love fashionscape and I EARNED the right to show it off...

Well good for you my friend, your true colours are shining through!! :D

Congratulations, job well done!!! :D

Certainly, the Ironman-esque style of gameplay is very admirable. But, the great thing about this game is that there are many ways to play it, there are many roles to play and there are many ways to support the game.

One of the ways to support the game is though Treasure Hunter. So, by putting Partyhats on Treasure Hunter, it would actually reduce the undesirable mentalities because more people would be able to contribute to the game by purchasing Keys and, together we could all share the fun with everyone partying with the partyhats! :D


I find these to be the best examples of why partyhats/rares need to not be rare. Smasher here is a Prime Example of the behavior that comes with these items. he says it himself "If that makes me an elitist then sound. I am a perfectionist, I love fashionscape and I EARNED the right to show it off.."

Fashionscape would be all the better with ALL partyhats available to you bud. and you earned the right to show off your account,
when you get that trimmed comp
.... Thats the bragging rights. Not partyhats. until then your claim that you have never merched or flipped for anything ever, great, then you wont be missing out on anything with release of more partyhats.
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03-Jun-2017 16:52:22

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Micrometre said:
Smasherley said:
What do you expect. Elitism comes with time and effort. I haven't wasted years for some whiny little child to cry his way to what I've earned for free. Price fluctuation exists..

Anyone who hoarded clue items has made a huge mint thanks to the luck rings.. But because you never thought of it first, they should lose the profit they've made? It's exactly the same thing..

You're cussing out people who work towards the best because you're unable to and have no desire to earn it and have the audacity to use that as a valid arguement. Elitism is nothing to be ashamed of when you've toiled and earned the right to have something prestigious like phats and dyes..

Why should I feel bad for you?

I ain't gonna have an ounce of sympathy for rude people who refer to a community as scum, delusional, greedy just because they earned where they are and the person saying it can't be bothered

They need to take a long hard look in the mirror


Well put if you ask me.


And at the same time, if somehow he did "earn" the gp for a partyhat, does that give him indefinite rights to hyperinflation without risk of a justified crash? Or is he just picking a bad time to invest his money in an old paper hat?
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18-Jun-2017 04:10:34

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Turksta said:
Micrometre said:

This has to be one of the most selective and patronising threads I've ever come across. The creator of the thread disregards all other points people have made and selects only the points they can argue whilst being patronising with the points they cannot argue.

No point trying to have a discussion with children people! Plus that Kalea girl who seems to reply a lot is so patronising with her responses I can't help but cringe.

Good luck with your goal.
And then there are my posts that no one seems to respond back to. Gg?


I've used your examples in the other thread ^_^
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18-Jun-2017 15:07:12

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Micrometre said:
Jokku23 said:
Kalea Sprite said:
Smasherley said:
They need to take a long hard look in the mirror

Here check out your mirror:

His title fits that perfectly! Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the Fairest of Them All :D

Anyway, I'd like to continue on this:

Whatusaytome said:
And at the same time, if somehow he did "earn" the gp for a partyhat, does that give him indefinite rights to hyperinflation without risk of a justified crash? Or is he just picking a bad time to invest his money in an old paper hat?

It's a very risky investment, considering how much support there is for recontinuing partyhats! Perhaps they will learn that investing billions on paper hats was not a smart decision after all! This is good because then they will not make the same mistake again irl! Cheers!


This has to be one of the most selective and patronising threads I've ever come across. The creator of the thread disregards all other points people have made and selects only the points they can argue whilst being patronising with the points they cannot argue.

No point trying to have a discussion with children people! Plus that Kalea girl who seems to reply a lot is so patronising with her responses I can't help but cringe.

Good luck with your goal.


Noticed neither of you had anything to say on the point I made.

Whatusaytome said:


And at the same time, if somehow he did "earn" the gp for a partyhat, does that give him indefinite rights to hyperinflation without risk of a justified crash? Or is he just picking a bad time to invest his money in an old paper hat?
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18-Jun-2017 15:11:23

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just an initial problem with immediate treasure hunter partyhats. that instantly makes players billionaires until the prices do crash. it would take jagex manually lowering the prices into something a little more reasonable before they should be thrown into treasure hunter..

Also, kalea's partyhats of fortune event roll could be a purple gem token reward in place of/or added to the 200m cash reward.
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18-Jun-2017 17:28:31

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CrookedH said:
:Dchances of this happening ------------- 0%


With how many posts have been made and it not being locked yet, with how many great reasons for doing so, and everything said so far, I'd say there is a chance of something like this happening. Good luck benefitting from your own for much longer ;)
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03-Jul-2017 16:03:25

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Jokku23 said:

Cheri said:
Either way, best of luck to the people that hope Jagex will release phats on treasure hunter. As for me, I'll stick to being more pragmatic and expect to get a phat through one of the three things or some mixture: merching, pvming, and the occassional skilling.

Firstly, thanks for your luck! Secondly, great ideas here! Partyhats could also be rereleased by putting them as a possible drop from pvming and skilling! Cheers!


That would be great, but unlikely, plus it would only benefit higher levels. no support lol

But the chance of anything actually in this thread, many ideas that they likely missed by skipping pages, happening at all is far from 0% and is probably closer to 50% so long as the thread stays open. it isn't 900+ comments of spam, there are actual thoughts put into it throughout. just like the other thread. Partyhats shall live again!
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04-Jul-2017 17:24:04

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Jokku23 said:

Cheers! You gave me inspiration for this new idea:

Partyhat barrage

New ancient magicks spell unlocked from Treasure Hunter! When used it will hit the target and everyone around them with partyhats, and the partyhats will be dropped on the ground! Then everyone can pick them up! Costs 1 purple+green+yellow+red+blue dye and 6 papyrus to use!

Cheers!


Sounds like a Solomons override for barrage casting :P
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05-Jul-2017 20:25:33

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IMO there is a balanced amount of people even with max cash. It is fine where it is. The only reason it's so easy for these richest people to continue is because these expensive items make so much profit for them. Raising max cash only makes it even easier for them by putting their items on GE for unrealistic prices
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14-Jul-2017 03:50:43

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Three wrongs don't make a right either Draco. Overpowered unfair gp profits, Extremely High illegal RWT profits, and Prices being Manipulated by players means these wealth gains are even greater.. These are three basic wrongs that come with current partyhats. not to mention the many we said in the other 90 pages.
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16-Jul-2017 20:37:54

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Dog. The flip range of partyhats is an added 200-300m PER flip, added ontop of any other items that are used by players like you or me. Partyhats are just an overpowered bonus on top of everything else. Rich get richer quicker.

They make billions given a short period of time using one item. Can you do that with 3a which has maybe at most a mil or 2 margin on the full sets with just as limited a supply?

What we are capable of doing using items set on more stable markets like the GE. Is severely underpowered in comparison.
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18-Jul-2017 16:04:22

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To Delay. Just a few things..

Your scythe example is flawed because noxious has top tier stats, is able to be made in game and is on the stable GE market. Vote for it's price is as simple as supply and demand.

Not all partyhats owners flip them and some legitimately earned one, true. But they have the ability to do so if they wished. And saying not every owner profits from them is wrong, simply owning it makes them worth more money,billions, simply off its manipulated rising inflation alone. Whether they participate in manipulation or not, they get the benefit from it.

If you sold your blue now, you'd be able to buy the full set from the store. Possibly. Win win?

Some owners make poor flips, commonly the uninformed owner not participating in the manipulation, meaning in essence they get scammed by the informed. Maybe we should stop the reign of manipulation at the source. The items they manipulate.
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18-Jul-2017 17:53:56 - Last edited on 18-Jul-2017 18:37:56 by Whatusaytome

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a dog said:
Whatusaytome said:
Dog. The flip range of partyhats is an added 200-300m PER flip, added ontop of any other items that are used by players like you or me. Partyhats are just an overpowered bonus on top of everything else. Rich get richer quicker.

They make billions given a short period of time using one item. Can you do that with 3a which has maybe at most a mil or 2 margin on the full sets with just as limited a supply?

What we are capable of doing using items set on more stable markets like the GE. Is severely underpowered in comparison.


Doesn't matter. If the arguement is flipping partyhats is overpowered, you can flip multiple dyes at the same time instead. You can flip multiple 3a at the same time instead. You can flip multiple t92s at the same time instead. The margins on T92 and dye flipping can be quite high. Since the focus is only on partyhats (strangely) you can also flip multiple black santa hats (which are very expensive now).

If the arguement is that partyhats should be rereleased, should they rerelease black santa hats too? The focus only on partyhats weakens the rerelease arguement, but wanting to rerelease the black santa too brings up issues.


You must be new to these threads, skipping lots of pages. The topic has already been made its not only partyhats we say rerelease. Partyhats are the only ones being controlled by players manipulation and are by far the most overpowered wealth gain in the game. Hence why we emphasize that so much.

Ultimately, tbh I'm not really expecting or necessarily want this treasure hunter idea, but it's another idea to aide in the general rerelease and is great for doubling the discussion value. I more so see balance with the store idea. Infinite supply, retains status, no manipulation, no inflation, goals to work for.
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18-Jul-2017 20:43:26

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Other rares, naturally. Bring them in for different people with different wealths and methods of gain to have different status symbols and different people want different things. Whatever value they trade for as long as it's under max cash can stay as they are, maybe rounded out, whatever. If its over max cash, make them max cash in the store.

That's just my idea for the release. But these other ideas are just as possible so long as certain safeguards can be set to not make anybody instantly rich.
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18-Jul-2017 21:15:43

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It's manipulation with partyhats because they are not on a controlled market, but instead players ask non moderator ranked guys in another persons fc for a price and they listen regardless of any known info.. They let players who have no say over the market name the price. Other lower rares are still controlled to an extent despite these FC's trying to name the price higher so they too eventually max out.
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18-Jul-2017 21:19:52

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great, so you know that partyhats are an added bonus on top of that same flipping potential you already possess. Any merchanting partyhat owner can flip anything you can. all while they wait for a pm to get a sale or buy offer for one of his rares.

One important topic I think you missed in your extreme page skipping, The Forums. check out the marketplace forums for discontinued items and tell me what you see about partyhats.

When I check, I see "Buying any partyhat, pm me" "Selling any partyhat, pm me" by the same person, repeated by dozens of people, with as little as half a dozen marks, to a couple hundred marks inside each. and assuming each mark is a sale completed, That is extremely overpowered considering each complete flip is hundreds of mils.

How long are you gonna keep avoiding that fact?
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So the point is, Overpowered is not just a term we use, overpowered means its able to be Abused. OP means people can take advantage of it. Just like your comparison that I noticed you edited out. And you changing to t92's does not make anything any better. when the inflation rate of an item is OP gains alone, that's something wrong with the game.
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19-Jul-2017 03:21:32

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also, thanks for admitting you are a billionaire merchant who abuses any item that has OP gains. It's nice when people are blatantly honest about not wanting certain aspects of the game (like high flip/merchant margins) to be fixed and controlled.
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you aren't good at reading, are you :) "in comparison" doesn't matter. and items that are within the better-controlled market of the GE are not the topic of this thread, which is partyhats. which are overpowered with the least work required for some of the highest gain potential in game.
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19-Jul-2017 03:37:13

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of course you don't, because you are a merchant. 'nuff said. And btw, if you make so much more money off of other items, then use them and ignore partyhats. Let them recontinue if your money is better spent on other things to make money for you.

Also, you have not read everything I've said, you skipped 90 pages of conversation and debate and discussion. You literally do not know what has or has not been said. which btw, your point on other items making more money has already been made, yet we continued.
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To counter your point on that topic,

Example:
Partyhat- 13b. flip profit margin 300m
Third age Ranged set - lets say 130m. lets also say profit margin of 9m just for giggles.

With that 13b from a partyhat, I can buy a whole 100 sets of Third age Ranged. and flip them for an even 9m profit each, WOW! I just made 900m in 100 flips! not bad, right?

Well considering how long it would take me to buy 100 third age sets, and be able to sell them all, even if I did get that full maximum profit. It would only take 3 flips to match that with a single partyhat. which I don't even have to actively flip, I just sit and enjoy my day waiting for messages, which can also be done while I flip third age in the meantime.

Then again.. I can let R Quark name the next raised price and actively search for a buyer. then play the flip waiting game again
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19-Jul-2017 03:57:37

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The speculation about R Quark isn't really an argument though. You cut down on the number of items with 13b in black santas or 13b in staffs of sliske if time were an issue.


Exactly. You buy one item and you never have to work again. Overpowered unearned gains. And when you get bored of run escape you are all the more likely to cash out on thousands of dollars IRL. Overpowered unearned gains.
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19-Jul-2017 13:45:06

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If you want an end goal item that people can work for as prestigious high value max cash set untradeable item to display your hard work. That's literally the suggestion. Difference being we allow literally everybody to set partyhats as goals to work for, and not just trade the few hats that exist between each other which are already owned by somebody who probably feels a little too good about themselves.

Only problem is you won't support losing any of the value your hat made for you, and if you spent more than max cash for it, you made poor timing on your choice to buy it. You should be fully aware crashes happen for numbers of reasons. We detailed those reasons already so whether or not anybody supports doesn't even matter, if jmods take the time to read, they can make this happen even if we ended this thread.

The support of very few braggers doesn't really matter so long as jagex understands the problems that exist.
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19-Jul-2017 17:22:05

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All partyhats are already owned by somebody who feels too good about themselves. You missed that part.

BTW, I don't see you making any solutions for any problems mentioned. Are you avoiding that selfishly?
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19-Jul-2017 18:57:49 - Last edited on 19-Jul-2017 19:18:13 by Whatusaytome

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You played for a long time for one thing and now you have it. And you don't think it's fair for others to say the problems that partyhats turned into need to be fixed because you are selfishly concerned about your own item losing the extended value that you didn't earn.
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19-Jul-2017 19:25:42

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You say that, but you would still have your hat post-update. So since nothing changes for you except that wealth. You literally have no reason to say no..

Do you think any problem with partyhats we have previously mentioned are real or made up?
Referring to manipulation, lack of supply, monopolization, grossly rapid inflation, elitist superior attitudes, prices left to select average players to decide, rwt for thousands of dollars for pixels in runescape.

Do any of those seem bad for the game? Or need to be addressed at all?
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There's that ignorance I just mentioned. Refusing to accept or acknowledge any legitimate problem partyhats have evolved with.

Take our very insightful friend Turksta for this thread's lead example. He himself owns one, he worked hard for it saying he bought it when it was 3b. he has made the same inflated benefit as every other hard worker who may have earned a hat. It's now 7b. He could say no support and be protective just the same.. But he doesn't.
He himself admits the problems are real, and aides the support of this thread better than me.

Take his word for it, not mine.
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19-Jul-2017 20:46:38

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Understanding problems exist and refusing to accept a reality are different things. You call these problems,
lack of supply, manipulated player-named prices, dramatic inflation rates, and rwt
imaginary when the evidence is there for you to see for yourself. Do more research please. Ask around anywhere you want. Ask any person if they see those things as any form of unfair advantage.
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19-Jul-2017 21:30:42

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If they broken in the sense it gives only the richest people in the game neverending free wealth, and nobody else is able to work for them due to being severely limited, They need to be fixed.

If they are broken in the sense that they are being Monopolized, slowly but surely all are going to be unavailable to anybody except these richest people. That needs to be fixed.

If they are broken in the sense inflation raising the values faster than anybody who doesn't own one can make using legitimate methods. Then it needs to be fixed

If they are broken to the point where if I got one, I could pay my rent for months. On the off chance I decided to quit, surely I wouldn't feel threatened by any rules or a ban. Sell the hat and make thousands of irl dollars... between $4000 and $6000 for a blue, be comfortable on rent for months if not years as long as I still work. or even buy a car. Then they need to be fixed to prevent that.

Notice how many banned accounts got Partyhats locked away? I wonder why that happened to all of them... perhaps abuse. perhaps they attempted to double. who knows?

Whether it affects my gameplay directly or not is not up to your assumptions. Because a rerelease in any of the suggested ways, does actually affect my gameplay, it allows me access to a cosmetic item, or it makes the goal of getting it possible due to supply being added to meet the demand.

It would be absolutely stupid for anybody to set them as a goal to work for right now. With how many facts have gone around, and how few partyhats there are, a rerelease is entirely possible.
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20-Jul-2017 00:57:27

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at the start, the term "discontinued" played an important role. That was 15 years ago. and for a long time, they were withing controlled prices, not raising value at any alarming rates.

Sure they have always been more expensive than other things. but there is a reason why they are being called severely overpowered now compared to 15 years ago. Nobody deserves the potential to make hundreds of mils in one flip which they can do by simply waiting for a pm, and having a price in their head.

In case you are unaware, partyhat flipping is absolutely easy with little risk and too much profit. its a waiting game. and you never have to take any price you are uncomfortable with.

Discontinued is Absolutely NOT a good thing when values are not in any sense of control. and prices are being made up by simple players.
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20-Jul-2017 01:02:34

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Turksta said:
Ishtar said:

Like I said, concentrate your rares on turksta for a moment, do a screenie and then trade back to your alts that you don't want revealed. But it's obvious, you don't have any rares, much less a phat. So yeah, now you must say "I don't care what you think" to save your own butt. Well doesn't matter either. The point already stands: unless you show definite proof of a phat on Turksta account
No thanks i'd rather not cater in to such a disrespectful person.


Honestly don't understand what posting a screenie would even do for him besides proving himself as arrogant for assuming you lie. Can that topic end? He proved it and you don't believe it, so naturally if he proved it in your way, by your standards, you likely still won't believe it.

And 'so many people refer to him'??? Not really, I made one point involving him. You escalated that.
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20-Jul-2017 14:42:52

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For those of you who agree with the reasoning of only making new colored unique nontradable hats.

Cosmetic Partyhat Event was already previously suggested by me. Feel free to support that if you wish. Ignore the first pages as those were before the thread was changed from Black Partyhat event to strictly cosmetics.

Only problem is it really wouldn't be a solution for any problem except supply being available to more people. Would still be better in general if it added originals
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No support. Party hats play a very important role in the online economy.


Define this very important role without the words "hard work/prestige" because there's a lot of people who work harder than phat owners and make less. And not every hard worker can possibly buy one because there's not enough in the market. What else you got?
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20-Jul-2017 20:21:19

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Wow, a whole 20 pages. much informed you are.

Of course Jagex would make a lot more if there was a phat promo. They'd be making phat cash stacks on it.

If you were informed in the slightest you would see this is not simply "because they are over some arbitrary number". But instead because they are extremely overpowered in their profit on top of everything else. And quite honestly, the merchant aspect is your only defense and your only concern, so I have yet to see your comments provide support to the nonsupport side.
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26-Jul-2017 13:42:55

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Wow, a whole 20 pages. much informed you are.

Of course Jagex would make a lot more if there was a phat promo. They'd be making phat cash stacks on it.

If you were informed in the slightest you would see this is not simply "because they are over some arbitrary number". But instead because they are extremely overpowered in their profit on top of everything else. And quite honestly, the merchant aspect is your only defense and your only concern, so I have yet to see your comments provide support to the nonsupport side.


Why haven't you repeated your fantastic arguments in 20+ pages? Since 20+ pages, all I have heard are pointless and trivial arguments. If you expect people to come to your side, you have to start posting these compelling arguments.

The merchant aspect had been debunked by myself many times over that partyhats are not as OP as you think they are.

Also, RWT will happen with or without partyhats, look at OSRS. It is a rule in RuneScape not to RWT, and people already get banned for doing so.


What compelling argument do you have to persuade me to not support any ideas mentioned in the 2000+ comments between this thread and the others?
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26-Jul-2017 23:25:06

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Draco Burnz said:
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Not so much when phat prices are causing a disturbance to the morality of the game.


Yet they arent.

You ppl just want to make a big deal over nothing just so you can hopefully, but wont in the end, get something for phr33.


Either suggest something, like the many suggestions for methods of release us supporters have made, or PROVIDE REASONS WHY NOT. We have provided plenty of reasons partyhats are overpowered, dangerous, and harmful to the game. What reasons have you provided to say otherwise?
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12-Aug-2017 00:21:27

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Draco Burnz said:
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That reply pretty much confirms that you're unwilling to accept anyone else's opinion that is different to that of yours.


Yep


Glad you say the things you do, you prove everybody's point of view about you. Turksta is absolutely reasonable if given reason to work with, as far as I can tell.
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Draco Burnz said:
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Support, yes? Cheers!


Like how you always think ill change my mind.

Yet we've been over this how many times?


Don't worry, if you don't want to keep repeating yourself, we all know your opinion and will not ask you to change your mind. However if you wish to change our minds I recommend suggesting something or telling us more reasons why not.
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I don't know what drives people to hold onto some stupid phrase like "historic to the game, iconic, etc.." When they actually aren't. They are only popular because the manipulators who hoarded them early on broke their backs forcing the prices to skyrocket over 12 years to finally hit Max Cash. If manipulation didn't make the prices rise so high, they wouldn't be viewed as anything special.

They are not anything special and serve less purpose than feathers. The only reasons their prices are constantly going up is manipulation, and for the sake of all partyhat threads, stop assuming we supporters want the worst.

Do you think we made over 1300 posts in this thread and similarly in the other from having one simple idea? No. We supporters have updated many different ideas to make this not punish anybody, suggesting things to cater to the owners while stopping manipulation and illicit trades. They are overpowered. They need to stop being the easiest/highest income source in the game, limiting that highest profit to billionaires only.

In just a few years since hitting max cash partyhats have multiplied 5-9x in price. Taking 12 years to hit max cash and now being 19b a few years later is outrageous. With how fast that rate increased, by 2020 they will be over 100b. Is that fair for anybody?

If you cannot keep up with the idea's within the hundreds of pages, throw your idea into the mix and let's talk. We are not here to shut you down for not supporting, we want non supporters to at least give us reasons not to support without assuming the worst.

Personally I don't want the treasure hunter idea, but at least it solves a bunch of the problems mentioned about partyhats. If it's the idea that gets accepted so be it, anything is better than keeping them unattainable and abused by billionaire manipulators.
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Exit Wound said:

since we established partyhats arent anything special, why are you complaining so much about them? how about you treat them like you said and maybe people will stop buying into the hype of wanting one? actually you do want the worst, ive seen you state in this thread you hope partyhat owners lose their billions in profit potential lol.

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They are overpowered. They need to stop being the easiest/highest income source in the game, limiting that highest profit to billionaires only.


you're naive to think if phat flipping went away that would solve manipulation / explioting of items . merchants would just move on to the next highest valued item and we'd be right back here again


Fixed the first part, though you must have missed the part where we said there have been very many suggestions in this thread, more of which allow owners to keep saying they are rich than there are ideas that benefit us supporters. In case you miss that point too, we don't profit from partyhats being set for fixed prices, most of us still can't buy one and we certainly don't get the profits current owners get.

Primary goal is stopping the abuse and manipulation. If they can't stop manipulating items, I would rather force manipulators to start over on new items than continuing to profit from their most abused item.
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Here is my thought on the subject of moving manipulation. Let's act like one of the ideas here was taken and done, just as an example.

Partyhats are now more available and fixed to stop manipulation and blah blah blah. Now the manipulators want to move to the next best thing, let's say Lowers, like weens and rsh and even bsh. Even though IMO, bsh should be part of the Partyhat update, because it is nearest in price bordering, if not already over max cash.

Back on point, partyhats are fixed to stop manipulation from continuing. If this comes true, that means Jagex has made the decision that they don't agree with players forcing items to be extremely high profit via manipulation at all. Meaning if these players move to a new item set to manipulate it the same way, you can expect Jagex to notice, or be notified of, dramatic change and increase in certain items prices, and act accordingly on people hoarding that item. So expect bans.
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Partyhats on Treasure Hunter? This will devalue partyhats from all perspectives imaginable.


it would help if you checked out the many suggestions in these threads before blindly not supporting :)
This thread is about releasing partyhats on TH. I'm 100% against this no matter what, regardless of the suggestions related to it whatever they may be.


So you blatantly ignore all efforts made to maintain their status, keep them valuable, stop manipulation, stop overpowered inflation, adding supply for more people and making them goals for more people to work for. And instead you support a small group of billionaires profiting more billions off of abuse that you may never be able to participate in.

I thank you for your honesty, but I for one don't agree with what you support.
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Here is my thought on the subject of moving manipulation. Let's act like one of the ideas here was taken and done, just as an example.

Partyhats are now more available and fixed to stop manipulation and blah blah blah. Now the manipulators want to move to the next best thing, let's say Lowers, like weens and rsh and even bsh. Even though IMO, bsh should be part of the Partyhat update, because it is nearest in price bordering, if not already over max cash.

Back on point, partyhats are fixed to stop manipulation from continuing. If this comes true, that means Jagex has made the decision that they don't agree with players forcing items to be extremely high profit via manipulation at all. Meaning if these players move to a new item set to manipulate it the same way, you can expect Jagex to notice, or be notified of, dramatic change and increase in certain items prices, and act accordingly on people hoarding that item. So expect bans.


Clearly I already dealt with that comment draco, now let's teach you something. These items, the Lowers, are not max cash yet, they are still in a more controlled market 'for now.' Meaning two things..

1: They will take much longer to be effectively manipulated to the point where they pass max cash. But yes, they are being manipulated to a lesser degree. No, that is not an immediate issue that needs resolved at this moment.

2: They are the perfect tools to use to determine who among the Partyhat owners are manipulators post-update. If they can't use partyhats, they will move to something else, right? Give them the lowers, let them fall into the trap and let's get accounts that have too much manipulative power banned. This will ultimately remove a lot of gp from the game at the same time.

Eventually I see lowers being added to the rerelease, but for now, let's keep those as is.
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Don't compare "supply and demand" to items with no supply source and an extremely small, limited amount of owners at any given point, all of which are now billionaires whether they participated in manipulating the price or not, whether they spent billions to get it or not. Unfortunately every owner has profited extreme amounts with no work required, and there are people like me who say that is an overpowered unfair advantage that nobody else can participate in.

You ask what would be the point in purchasing one? Same reasons a lot of owners will use as their 'legitimate' excuse. Placeholders for wealth and bragging rights competition and motivation to work harder. Just without the overpowered advantage of being given free billions. They don't have to drop to max cash, they can stay where they are. You can try to act like nobody will buy them, but of course they will.

T92 and dyes have a supply source, they will never really be out of control like this.
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turksta you must be delusional then. if billionaires had the power to manipulate everything they desired then they'd be flipping more then just phats at 10b+

maybe you should learn to deal with the price and understand you're not going to have instant access to buy anything you want ingame for whatever price you feel is right or fair...


He is not delusional for thinking anything, in fact I'm almost 100% certain he is just as aware of these billionaires manipulating more than just partyhats. Our point being is Partyhats and discontinued items are their Primary profit source. Being able to be flipped for hundreds of mils at a time and all they need to do is wait for a pm and bump a thread while they make more money with the methods You mentioned.

The manipulation that happens with them is on an entirely different level than the manipulation that has taken place with items like Fish Masks. But yes, Fish masks could easily be manipulated to be worth more if they needed something else to manipulate. If you want another recent example of New items being manipulated to this extent, look at the BSH.

"learn to deal with the price" ??? no thanks, ignorance wont solve anything buddy. also, read the suggestions, me and Turk are fine with keeping their prices where they are. so long as they cannot continue to raise like they do. this year alone Blue has raised roughly 8b. is that fairly earned?
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Exit Wound said:
@whatusay just because theyre discontinued doesnt mean supply and demand doesnt exist with these items. walk around runescape and ask ppl if they could, would they buy a phat or other rare? the demand is definitely there and the supply is held by the players who own one. just because you dont like it doesnt mean its not real

no work required huh? so everyone who owns a phat magically held on to it for over 15 years?

everybody can participate in it, you choose not to grind for the money and complain about the unfair price because you're lazy

if you said they can stay the same price they're at now, why are you even complaining then???


Supply and demand with things that have no supply source IRL have artificial copies to be sold to meet the demand. Take for example the Mona Lisa. One painting and is worth over $100m usd. but so many people want to have a copy, Artificials were produced and those Artificials are priced by Supply and Demand. The original however is not sold on the open market.

Partyhats should either have a supply source so they can be sold at their current Highest-in-game prices, or be made entirely untradeable to stop the abusive profits. I much prefer them being able to be obtained.

No work required as in, if I bought one Blue right now for 19b. Only that 19b is worked for. next year when the blue is 30b+ and I log out after buying and finally log back in one year later to sell it. means I profited 11b with no work required. See my point yet?

Not everybody can participate, Supply is limited, and all hats are owned. If I want to make the money for a hat, I have to take it away from somebody else who wants it. and they will buy again from somebody else. just a growing cycle. let everybody who can buy one have one. Profits like that should not happen.
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31-Aug-2017 18:08:25

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Exit Wound said:
@jokku when a discontinued item costs 10b and is in a free and open market then overnight it instantly becomes unlimited with a set price...yeah the market is destroyed.

if a cities median in buying a house costs $600,000 then overnight you have those same houses selling for $150,000 yeah....it destroys the market, especially for the home owners who originally purchased their house in the 600k range


Here is the thing, nobody is saying destroy their value. in your example, an area where houses are listed at 600k, great, that's all we know. we don't know their appraisal value or history. and if there are owners, then the house isn't on the market until they decide to move out, or rent it out. So the example is pretty unrealistic in terms of relating to partyhats.

If a house, every historical detail and gets appraised at 600k, and nobody is buying it.... they would likely consider a lower value to make more money from selling more for less than waiting patiently to sell less for more. Supply and demand, right?

So, your question about it dropping and being worth 150k.. Unrealistic for the scenario, lets say 550k. might not get bought still, but its now slightly more available and desirable by a possible customer. and easier to sell by demand. then the other houses get that similar value and the company selling will likely make more profit on it. by not being stubborn sticking to a 600k price tag given by an Appraiser.

To compare it to partyhats though, partyhat is this 600k house in a neighborhood of similar houses, and its guaranteed to never crash, and possibly double in price every year, because this one house in the neighborhood is a "rare" house. if you buy the similar houses next to it, you would be mad about not getting multiplied wealth, wouldn't you?
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31-Aug-2017 18:23:36

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Khatti said:
This is nonsense. they would never release them via TH.
Releasing e.g. "Black Partyhat" would work, but releasing already existing discontinued items would crash the economy.


Oh look, another owner who didn't read anything in the thread. Much inform you are. Read more, worry less. We only intend to kill your overpowered Partyhat profits.

Isn't it ironic that she has only posts in the forums about partyhats? One specifically about him flipping her yellow and 650m for a green.
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05-Sep-2017 21:57:08 - Last edited on 05-Sep-2017 23:38:11 by Whatusaytome

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Khatti said:
It's true that manipulation is huge problem, it should be stopped, but releasing partyhats on th would be too much.
If you want cheap partyhats, OSRS is for you.


There's more pages, that osrs comment has already been deemed unhelpful to the problems with hats in rs3.

Perhaps you should look for the other ideas here that don't involve TH, or go snooping around the forums for the other thread that has suggestions too.

I'm glad you agree manipulation is a huge problem that should be stopped though :)
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06-Sep-2017 13:36:23

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As a chromatic owner, I call it unfair that any other partyhats raise their values with no crash risk, for more profit than most legitimate hard workers in game make in months of work.

Blue has raised 8b since April, which is 5 months ago. That is not earned or fair and is extremely overpowered.
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09-Sep-2017 23:47:54

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Draco Burnz said:
Whatusaytome said:
As a chromatic owner, I call it unfair that any other partyhats raise their values with no crash risk, for more profit than most legitimate hard workers in game make in months of work.

Blue has raised 8b since April, which is 5 months ago. That is not earned or fair and is extremely overpowered.


Lyfes unfair.

I find it unfair i cant win any other golden warpriest or barrows armors... /s


We already agreed rigging is bogus. I have a dream that one day life can be fair again. For everybody and not just the few. Your disbelief is fine, reluctance is normal. But good luck.
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10-Sep-2017 08:37:02

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River S0ng said:
I actually like this idea. For the 11 1/2 years I've had this account, I've yet to be able to afford one. To be honest, I always wanted one for the looks of it, not the status that comes with it. When I first played this game, that was always a goal of mine. Some people may grind for years and still can't afford one because they have to pay for membership through in-game bonds like myself.

I love that one of your reasons is to not be selfish and think about others. That is a truly heartwarming thought, because in this day and age most people are focused on themselves,
and even in this game as well. I doubt this will ever be implemented, but it's nice to hope it will.


I was having the same thoughts about this not very long ago, happy to see you've made a post regarding this issue.




Happy to see this. If you want to see other ideas that are out there, check out this thread. :)
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10-Sep-2017 08:40:50

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Draco Burnz said:
Whatusaytome said:
I have a dream that one day life can be fair again.


Well to bad it'll never happy.

So all your efforts are in vain sadly:/


don't be such a pessimist bro, learn to love, learn to live, learn to be happy. Life will get better if you actually try to make it better. So quit complaining about every update idea and find something that makes you happy.
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10-Sep-2017 13:46:52

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Ahura said:
This would only make it 'fair' to a portion of players, not the whole RS community. For those who already has 1 it would not make things fair to them, on the contrary! You may think it's bad how phats are raising (or price changes in general for that matter, how much the change may be) but this is a complete logical effect from the law of supply and demand
and Manipulation


I fixed the end for you :) When you can explain how keeping them as they are is a benefit to More people than the different ideas mentioned throughout these threads, please do so. Until then, I support benefitting more people by taking away an unfair profit advantage that only benefits billionaires.
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10-Sep-2017 15:21:11

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Ahura said:
What about the smaller group, they are left in the dust with their phats becoming as worthless as dust.

This thread is not so much about manipulation, rather this thread is a complaint on phats being so highly priced. Even if you stop the manipulation then all phats would likely still be 5b+ and not get the prices they were few years ago because of high demand. This would not satisfy those who think they're too expensive and 'manipulation' is used to justify making them available on TH and cause the price to crash. That's basically the goal of this thread, a big price crash to make them more affordable.


So you ignore the larger group because you support a small group of elitists abusing profits no other player can get? How selfish.

You need to read the suggestions and not blindly assume like you keep doing. Thinking you know what outcomes we support?

You know nothing and assume, you won't take the time to read anything and you fear the change out of selfish reasons. Manipulation exists at it's best with partyhats, if you deny that, you are blind or arrogant.

Again you assume we are concerned about prices being too high. That just makes you look silly. Profits is not the same thing as price. But that seems to be a common misconception here.

Need I explain that again?
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11-Sep-2017 04:05:58

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Ahura said:
I can also turn it the other way around. You ignore the smaller group and only focus on your view and the group who supports your view, that's also selfish.

Bring up one suggestion from this thread that actually does something to stop manipulation but doesn't hurt the smaller group who already has phats and we'll discus that. But rereleasing phats...I will never support that. The end doesn't justify the means.

And yes, this thread is for a big part on complaining about phat prices, more about
complaining about phat prices, more about them being expensive rather than the manipulation, read the OP's post.


Incorrect, my view makes these hats something absolutely every person in game should make as a goal to work for to show off their monetary success. A prestigious item to show off monetary success should never be the primary income source for somebody who may ever obtain one.

The only reason this item is currently an income source, being highest and easiest in game, is manipulated inflation.

I can guarantee you that very few Blue owners ever paid 19b to buy their first, most of them paid between 4b and 12b in the past 3-4 years. but every single owner is now worth 19b minimum due to manipulated price increases that will never have a risk of crashing as they are.

I like how you tell me to read the OPs post to understand the purpose and complaints about the thread as a whole, but I tell you I've read this thread in its entirety. I think I understand it just fine, thanks. Read more and assume less please.

I've already given a solution that doesn't take anything away from anybody, EXCEPT for the profits that they should not be making, as the profits are the highest and easiest in game and are only given to the richest couple hundred people in game.
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11-Sep-2017 17:40:37

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Here is the flaws in that logic.

"Historic Value" is entirely imaginary and entirely subjective. And I am going to compare it to a good Wine, because that scenario seems fitting.

Wine, is known for getting better with age, and let's say there is an amazing bottled brand that is no longer being made. After a hundred years, one bottle remains, and that bottle is incredibly rare and well known, but nobody can purchase it, because it is a rare wine. At what point does a person open the bottle and enjoy it for it's actual purpose?

Or similarly, when does a person decide to resupply and bring it back, because a good wine is meant for people to drink and enjoy. Like partyhats were released for everybody to enjoy because they were free.

I am fine with being that guy resupplying an extinct item because it shouldn't be used as the advantage it is today. It's history took 12 years to properly inflate to the maximum limit, under much more difficult manipulation being in the fair markets where players couldn't name the prices arbitrarily.

The next problem in your interpretation of this idea is that you assume a large amount of hats suddenly enter the game, which is not possible unless people have the expenses to pay for one upon release.

Another fault in your interpretation is that you seem to think hats being bought from the store, introducing more into the world, is subject to lower their price? This is not possible, all hats in the store will be sold for one price, be worth that price, fixed at that price indefinitely. Subject to change based on the true inflation of gp in the game going to happen in the next 5-15 years.

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11-Sep-2017 20:18:08

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Ahura said:

If you want a phat but you're just not able to get one, I think you should accept this current situation. I don't like to say this because I too think prices have gone ridiculously high, but you have to accept it... and rereleassing phats instead is the absolute worst thing that could happen to phats. If phats prices could be brought down by stopping manip while not rereleasing phats that would be great, but if nothing can truly bring down phats for now then that's the harsh truth I'm afraid.


I still will not own one, nor be able to afford one even with this idea. Do not assume that is my reason. I have stated that dozens of times in each thread, and if you would read them, you would know that, but ignorance is bliss when you can be uninformed and assume anything you want about our many ideas.

Prices stay exactly where they are, 9-20billion if not higher! I have no problems with their price so long as they stop their reign as the games highest profit income source. Learn the difference please. Your lack of understanding truly shows with this last paragraph of yours.


Before you rant about people selling their hats to the store and flooding gp into the game. Assuming any of these billionaire merchants and talented people are smart enough to know the consequences that MAY come with doing that, it's an unlikely scenario in general.

Not to mention the once again, previously mentioned suggestion, of Tax being implemented on resale to the store. The hats will cost billions to get if they simply remain the only hats in game. And a 10% cost to sell it to the store is an instant hundreds of millions of GP removed from the game, as well as that players wealth. So don't resell if you worry about losing value. 900m gp-2b will be removed with a 10% tax on existing hats, I am fine with changing that total % if you think it is too low or high.
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Whatusaytome said:
Ahura said:
I can also turn it the other way around. You ignore the smaller group and only focus on your view and the group who supports your view, that's also selfish.

Bring up one suggestion from this thread that actually does something to stop manipulation but doesn't hurt the smaller group who already has phats and we'll discus that. But rereleasing phats...I will never support that. The end doesn't justify the means.

And yes, this thread is for a big part on complaining about phat prices, more about
complaining about phat prices, more about them being expensive rather than the manipulation, read the OP's post.


Incorrect, my view makes these hats something absolutely every person in game should make as a goal to work for to show off their monetary success. A prestigious item to show off monetary success should never be the primary income source for somebody who may ever obtain one.

The only reason this item is currently an income source, being highest and easiest in game, is manipulated inflation.

I can guarantee you that very few Blue owners ever paid 19b to buy their first, most of them paid between 4b and 12b in the past 3-4 years. but every single owner is now worth 19b minimum due to manipulated price increases that will never have a risk of crashing as they are.

I like how you tell me to read the OPs post to understand the purpose and complaints about the thread as a whole, but I tell you I've read this thread in its entirety. I think I understand it just fine, thanks. Read more and assume less please.

I've already given a solution that doesn't take anything away from anybody, EXCEPT for the profits that they should not be making, as the profits are the highest and easiest in game and are only given to the richest couple hundred people in game.
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19-Sep-2017 17:40:20

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Whatusaytome said:
Ahura said:
What about the smaller group, they are left in the dust with their phats becoming as worthless as dust.

This thread is not so much about manipulation, rather this thread is a complaint on phats being so highly priced. Even if you stop the manipulation then all phats would likely still be 5b+ and not get the prices they were few years ago because of high demand. This would not satisfy those who think they're too expensive and 'manipulation' is used to justify making them available on TH and cause the price to crash. That's basically the goal of this thread, a big price crash to make them more affordable.


So you ignore the larger group because you support a small group of elitists abusing profits no other player can get? How selfish.

You need to read the suggestions and not blindly assume like you keep doing. Thinking you know what outcomes we support?

You know nothing and assume, you won't take the time to read anything and you fear the change out of selfish reasons. Manipulation exists at it's best with partyhats, if you deny that, you are blind or arrogant.

Again you assume we are concerned about prices being too high. That just makes you look silly. Profits is not the same thing as price. But that seems to be a common misconception here.

Need I explain that again?
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19-Sep-2017 17:41:06

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Whatusaytome said:
Here is the flaws in that logic.

"Historic Value" is entirely imaginary and entirely subjective. And I am going to compare it to a good Wine, because that scenario seems fitting.

Wine, is known for getting better with age, and let's say there is an amazing bottled brand that is no longer being made. After a hundred years, one bottle remains, and that bottle is incredibly rare and well known, but nobody can purchase it, because it is a rare wine. At what point does a person open the bottle and enjoy it for it's actual purpose?

Or similarly, when does a person decide to resupply and bring it back, because a good wine is meant for people to drink and enjoy. Like partyhats were released for everybody to enjoy because they were free.

I am fine with being that guy resupplying an extinct item because it shouldn't be used as the advantage it is today. It's history took 12 years to properly inflate to the maximum limit, under much more difficult manipulation being in the fair markets where players couldn't name the prices arbitrarily.

The next problem in your interpretation of this idea is that you assume a large amount of hats suddenly enter the game, which is not possible unless people have the expenses to pay for one upon release.

Another fault in your interpretation is that you seem to think hats being bought from the store, introducing more into the world, is subject to lower their price? This is not possible, all hats in the store will be sold for one price, be worth that price, fixed at that price indefinitely. Subject to change based on the true inflation of gp in the game going to happen in the next 5-15 years.
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19-Sep-2017 17:45:06 - Last edited on 19-Sep-2017 17:45:41 by Whatusaytome

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Ahura said:
Already responded to these.

All I can say is that keeping phats the way they are is more important to me than stopping "overpowered abuse" by making a different source of phats (store, TH, ...).


This is exactly my point about people like you. SELFISHLY denying the benefit to the game as a whole because you feel selfishly entitled to wealth gain that is extremely more significant than 98% of actual gameplay. Because you bought an item that was released 16 years ago for free and bought it for far less than it's worth.
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19-Sep-2017 20:41:09

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Ahura said:
Whatusaytome said:
Ahura said:
Already responded to these.

All I can say is that keeping phats the way they are is more important to me than stopping "overpowered abuse" by making a different source of phats (store, TH, ...).


This is exactly my point about people like you. SELFISHLY denying the benefit to the game as a whole because you feel selfishly entitled to wealth gain that is extremely more significant than 98% of actual gameplay. Because you bought an item that was released 16 years ago for free and bought it for far less than it's worth.
Gosh why are you still claiming that I gain wealth from the phat. I don't plan on selling it EVER so there's nothing to gain for me.


You say that, just like every owner ever to step in these threads except for two. Yet the discontinued marketplace is the 4th most used forum. I don't care if you don't plan on selling, the possibility remains and you can change your mind and cash in whenever. Perhaps like when you feel threatened their price will drop. Panic sales are common.
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19-Sep-2017 22:05:16

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Icy Crossbow said:
The more I read here, the more it becomes clear that people want everything for free without wanting to work for something. You can't just damage people their banks because you don't want to put in some effort of earning one yourself. If you want a partyhat work for one. You can earn enough money with high level slaying, flipping, merching, bossing, the possibilities are endless.

Re-releasing partyhats would damage the economy, the rare market and would remove the end-goal of many players. It would create a reason for many people to quit, something which runescape doesn't need right now!

To conclude: NO SUPPORT


The more you read? Considering you haven't read anything if you still assume anybody gets anything for free, read any of the past 50 pages before you assume such nonsense.

I want you to physically show me proof that the game economy is based on partyhats being manipulated so high and rereleasing them spells doom for this game. You cannot prove the "economy will crash because of partyhats" when the suggestions do not include drops in price, do not include free partyhats, do not take anything away from anybody, and does not make anything about this game easier.

If you really actually could read the thread before assuming what we want, you would understand, but it appears you are just another name that cannot read past 10 pages.

Partyhats owners ALL make billions of profit wealth from partyhats manipulated forced inflation, and ANY OF THEM, including Ahura, will sell if they feel threatened. They all make the profits and they will all eventually cash in before a real fix happens. The markets for partyhats need to be stopped from being manipulated ANY FURTHER.
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20-Sep-2017 15:02:04

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You can't prove anything about the economy change and I've told you where to go to see how easy it is for them to abuse easy profits far greater than Telos, far greater than literally everything in game. All they have to do is add any names they want from the discontinued marketplace forums, put a note on their name as buyer or seller, and keep asking different people for the prices he wants. Manipulated values are easy when the values are made my people with the wealth and ability to manipulate any item they want, picking the ones with the highest profit margins in game with trade that is far easier than you assume.

You can never convince me partyhats are legitimate items anymore. Nothing that comes from them is fair or balanced.
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20-Sep-2017 17:49:22

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I already did give you factual evidence about their frequency of trade. Marketplace forums don't lie. Assuming they would be locked if they were only there as spam or fake. What is your defense against the thousands of threads specifically for flipping partyhats?
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20-Sep-2017 17:53:06

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I Am Singham said:
Since your responses are decidedly less troll-y than the OP's, WHATUSAY, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...

Why are you singling out partyhats, again? Every single item in RuneScape --even the Rune 2h -- has been subject to price manipulation by the one-percenters at one point or another. What makes phats so special? The only discernible difference is the magnitude, and it is far, far too late to remedy this non-issue now. Phats and the like were always beyond the reach of the average player and the rares' prices skyrocketing in the past year or so hasn't exactly upset the status quo but merely strengthened it.

As for them "just being paper hats with no stat bonuses" -- exactly! What do you care about a worthless item in the practical sense that doesn't even look close to best-in-slot? Seems to me that you're just annoyed that certain people were old enough, lucky enough, and/or intelligent enough to pick them up at an earlier point in time and keep them. In short, stop acting like a personified Tumblr post; thanks.


I single out partyhats because no other item, not even lower 'discontinued' rares, profit owners like these do. and because it is never too late to fix something that's broken, just like anything can require a fix after any amount of time. example, mining and smithing has held Runite at the top since the beginning, but that's changing to balance the game again. Partyhats give pre-existing billionaires free billions of wealth for sitting, and I cannot agree with that.

OP isn't wrong with his suggestion, which is why I support. Partyhats weren't really a concern of mine until I saw the other recontinue thread. which, after staying with for almost 6 months, has taught me a lot about these hats. I have been a part of almost every discussion and suggestion within these threads and the longer I stay, the more I see.

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21-Sep-2017 01:08:47

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The suggestion I keep bringing up, I don't really remember who came up with it first, maybe we all discussed and edited appropriately.. The store idea. It does not harm owners in any way except that they will no longer make inflated profit on the hats... which also isn't entirely true. The hats will have a fixed price, but I expect over time, some people will think they should be raised to keep up with the Real inflation in this game. and I wont say no to that depending what they really ask for.

Is it unfair to say they have had enough time (16 years) with partyhat profits? I thought partyhats were supposed to be 'end-game goals' for people. Not restricted to the top 1% of players, strictly for these players, to only profit these players. When the Most Influential reason for their price increases, is a big portion of the current owners having enough wealth to manipulate them higher and higher.

The store suggestion literally makes them End Game Goals that anybody can purchase if they should ever obtain this wealth Without having to take a hat from any current owners. All current owners will be pre-existing prestigious players with the bragging rights of owning the end goal items. but that isn't good enough for them, because, as you see in these past many pages, they only concern themselves with the profits.

Partyhats on Treasure hunter isn't my ideal solution, I don't remember if they suggested a fix for the flaw I mentioned, being I don't want any player who gets the partyhat from treasure hunter to be made suddenly a multibillionaire. and I also want to keep an idea that owners don't go bankrupt with. But I will support the idea anyway even if partyhats would become worthless because I do not support the inflated profits.
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21-Sep-2017 01:21:17

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No, they cannot all obtain them. There are already more people who have the wealth to pay for hats they want than there are actually hats in existence.

If I get the wealth, I have to take it from somebody else, who is going to buy another from somebody else for less and still pay that person more than they first paid. Everybody makes profit because they either sit on it for a month and it goes up 1b, or they buy their first from somebody else and sit on it for a month, etc...

Never ending cycle of abusing profits.

The way it is now is NOT something people can work for. There will never be a time when people don't abuse them as they are. I will not stop until manipulated profits end.

And lastly you, like everybody else who joined these threads without reading anything, you assume I get anything from this other than peace of mind.
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Kipa Kipa said:
Why should I care if some super rich player drops billions on a discontinued item? It serves no statistical purpose and gives the uber rich something to dump their money into. Better than them hoarding nox scythes and driving those prices up...

Considering my complaint is NOT about them 'dropping billions' for partyhats. I don't see why you think that's a concern.

My argument is the owners, ALL owners, and ONLY owners, get given free billions without risk of crash, because of forced price increases. and my suggestion to fix that is to set their price in stone, make the supply infinite so no Newly Wealthy Potential Owner needs to rob a current owner of his hat to have one for himself. Inflation can remain, with one annual Jagex-controlled price increase.

OSRS is no example for anything here, as the suggestion to recontinue them here is entirely different than just dropping 200k partyhats for randoms to pick up.

The way they are at the moment means only the small supply of owners are handed free billions to them, they never have to work again They are not 'blowing their money' on anything because sitting on the hat logged out will profit more than working at Telos until you get a full weapon made.

the fact you agree manipulation only affects these few billionaire owners FOR THEIR PROFIT, means you acknowledge manipulation is there with partyhats. No argument can be made when literally everybody so far acknowledges the manipulative aspect in some way.
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22-Sep-2017 21:34:05

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Exit Wound said:
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My argument is the owners, ALL owners, and ONLY owners, get given free billions without risk of crash, because of forced price increases.


yeahhhh except the part where not all owners profit and are given free billions...have you ever stopped to think maybe, just maybe some owners don't merchant and will never sell their rares? (including lowers) ... cant exactly profit off something thats never sold


Every person who buys a partyhats to keep and "never sell" should be in full support of the store. Since you all claim the profits don't affect you. Get rid of them. They are overpowered for those that do abuse them, which if you claim they don't, I'll redirect you to the marketplace forum to see how many flips really happen.
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23-Sep-2017 21:34:12

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I Am Singham said:
-snip-


First off, what in the world gives you the idea that I merchant anything? I tried flipping years ago, made decent money and decided it was trash, merchants don't even play the game and are only concerned about more money. I choose to not live that low. When I play, I either earn what I do, or I give it away after socializing. Call me a hypocrite against merchants when you know nothing about me. and you wonder why I said "don't insult me" the first time? Lol..

The store makes partyhats untradable, means no panic selling. Store makes them cost a 1-10% tax on reselling to the store, and ultimately more will be bought from the store than will ever be sold back for partial refunds. I will not be participating because I don't actively try to become a rich snob.

High alchemy was never meant to be the main profit source for f2p and is one of the largest sources of GP entering the game and devaluing the economy. Fixing High Alchemy is a benefit. Just the same, only people who abuse an unintentional excessive profit tool get affected. The health of the game is more important than the profits for a few.

Want f2p money? Suggest new bosses like other people. Go skilling, stop looking for overpowered shortcuts. Do work.

Partyhat owners will not have any reason to liquify their hats into gold because if they do, and they start manipulating other things, they are far more likely to be banned. But thanks for admitting nobody can do anything without abuse.
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28-Sep-2017 19:08:22

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Yes I am truthful about being strongly against OVERPOWERED merchanting. Yes I am truthful that I do not merchant at all anymore myself. Yes I wear a Chromatic because it matches the entire outfit of rainbows I wear with everything I do. No, nobody would have any reason to leave the game because of the store, and no, if they quit because of it, that would be beneficial to the game because only a Manipulator would quit.

High alchemy generally defines market value? Partyhats alch 2gp. Luckily I say they can stay where they are. Orichalcum ore is already in the rework last I heard, plus Dragon items have supply sources and a surplus on the markets already. But thank you for saying "p2p will continue to abuse dragon items" because you prove and acknowledge the abuse and dependence on it.

Smithing and smelting runite absolutely is work, and I never said otherwise? Bossing is work, especially in f2p with the limited supply of up to t55 gear. No potions except low tier, no healing tools like Excalibur, missing any valuable abilities. They deserve more bosses to give f2p real money methods other than every single f2p flooding billions of gp into the game daily alching rune 2h's.

I will say it again, I don't even play enough to make the money for a Partyhat, I am not going to purchase one from the store myself but I see it as necessary. Because I don't see any benefit to the health of this game leaving them as they are.
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29-Sep-2017 01:25:05

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I Am Singham said:
How exactly would it be "beneficial"? Preserving the integrity of the game (L0L, btw) means @$#* all when it consequently dies less than a year later w/o the continued support of the high-rollers.


don't quite get what you mean by this. What does keeping partyhats extremely limited and extremely overpowered have to do with the games 'integrity?' How does fixing their price in the billions around their current prices discredit high rollers? the only negative effect is on manipulators who will no longer be able to trade them. Player trading with Partyhats is an extremely high, extremely overpowered advantage for an extremely limited amount of people.

I Am Singham said:

Rares and high-end gear are the notable exceptions to the rule....-snip-


Exceptions to which rule, that things are 'generally' not overpowered, so a few extremely overpowered things are allowed? nope.

Yes, incessant High Alching which happens all day everyday is a bad thing. Glad you see that. They have done a lot to amend it but they haven't fixed it yet. Mining and smithing rework fixes it even more, maybe not perfectly, but definitely a positive outcome.

F2p will not be stagnant just because of rune items not alching for profit. This encourages people to actually go out and do things for their money instead of bankstanding and devaluing GP with alchemy. F2p is not a difficult game mode to get a bond with. like honestly you can go to the hill giants dung portal and collect limpwurts for bank.

Bossing in f2p is never impossible and that's why they need to add more, specifically tiered for f2p. Not something like KBD which, yes, people can do easily. KBD can be killed over a dozen times by 3 people wearing full bronze. More bosses means more opportunities. f2p may be a 'preview' but it still needs updates and love and balance to the 'main' version.
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you want to continue your bond funding? get the first, go bossing for a couple hours on day 1 and day 2 and you can easily fund the 2nd and enjoy the other 12 days however you please. Bond funding membership is a piece of cake. unfortunately I plan on funding my membership through bonds in the future instead of paying Jagex for the VIP package with RL money. They didn't earn my dollars this year.

but that's enough of the off-topic conversations, Partyhats have no reason to stay as they are if the only reasons people can give me are 'historical value' 'profits' or the people who cant comprehend the idea that claim it 'drops the price.'

There is no benefit to a select group of manipulators devaluing GP by hoarding their profits to the point where they can manipulate and destroy any market in the game. There is no benefit to partyhats raising the total wealth values of a select group of people billions in just a few months. There is no proof you can provide that a recontinue will destroy anything.

A few players quitting wont change anything, althought its not like they have a reason to quit. A group of manipulators leaving the game means a more stable market and loads of gp no longer in circulation.

Care to suggest something better?
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29-Sep-2017 17:45:00

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It does affect me, they affect everything in game the more they devalue GP. Obviously I DO have to talk about the lack of supply because there's currently more who have the value than there are hats in existence. No supply source and a dead supply is extremely overpowered, which, you, like everybody else, ignores.

You say it doesn't affect me? Same can be said about the resupplying not affecting you. But you won't believe that. Truth is it does affect us.. For the better.

It is easy to make money, that doesn't justify being given free billions while logged off for a month. OVERPOWERED.

Saying 'just because there are people who can afford it' is more reasons for the store to happen. So EVERYBODY who has the wealth can purchase one, revaluing GP, instead of putting all hats in a small circle of trades forcing price increases that only benefit owners.
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29-Sep-2017 18:34:18

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I Am Singham said:
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Care to suggest something better?

Yeah. How about, like, leaving the people with the silly paper hats that don't look particularly good and offer less of a defensive bonus than a bronze helm to their own devices? You'll be all the happier for it.

And if you really must get your hands on one of those silly hats, OS has a huge supply. Go crazy.


Dude ffs what part of "it is not my goal here to be given one." Don't you get? I don't actively play this game much anymore, I likely will not have good RNG in the little crap I do do while I have the time. I don't expect to get billions of total wealth for free like these people feel entitled to.

"How about leaving paper hats, that are more worthless in all ways than a bronze helmet, that really offer more profit potential than the best bosses in game, even while you are just logged out, the same" yeah... No.
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01-Oct-2017 04:01:51

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how the hell can you call me a troll for trying to fix something from being overpowered? You haven't given me a single good reason to keep them as they are.

You completely ignored what I said about these owners logging out and still making more profit than 95% of people make even using the best bosses in the game. You assume too much about me and spend more time insulting me than anything else. If anybody here is a troll, it is you. Nobody can make billions being logged out with a collection of vials. every owner of partyhats make billions while they are logged out. What part of that do you not understand?
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01-Oct-2017 20:53:24

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Exit Wound said:
& you havent given us a single good reason to change the state of phats

i think you assume too much about phat owners and are blinded by ignorance. i guarantee if you had in your possession 1 party hat of any color you wanted, you wouldn't be able to flip it so easily as you say. you would attempt to sell it and buy another one and fail miserably because its a lot more than just "waiting for a pm" once again you group all phat owners like they all reside in R Quark and know how to merchant. you've proven time and time again your motivation is envy to these owners


Sure I would, or if I had it in my possession I could simply quit the game and let its neverending price increases make the bank for me. I could add any name from the marketplace forum I want as long as they have a thread saying "buying all partyhats, pm me" and one saying "selling all partyhats, pm me"

Childs play marketing technique. and with the margins so damn high, its near impossible to flop on a flip. even if I buy low, all I'd have to do is sit on it for a short period of time and sell it for the low price and I'd still make extremely high profit despite only using the low end.

I don't need to "wait for a pm." I can be the guy inquiring every single thread maker. The Marketplace forum is more used for discontinued items more than every single discussion and suggestion forum put together a dozen times over. Childs play.
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and btw. Visit r quark sometime and just read everything they say for like a week. It really is a nice show to watch. Proves everything I say.

Not all partyhat owners reside in R Quark. only manipulators asking about the most recent price increases to make their next hundreds of mils. I doubt the few owners that "buy and never plan on selling" are interested in R Quark.....if they plan on never selling.

But don't worry about those that don't plan on selling. they make the profits anyway and can cash in whenever they feel satisfied, or feel like their value is at risk.
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01-Oct-2017 21:46:32

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I still very much play runescape. but I partake in the forums more.

I do not actively try to no-life my way to trimmed completionist, I do not care to be the richest in runescape, I do not care for cheats like partyhats being abused. I do not need to own a partyhat to make money, and I make any money I do want, and yes, I am a billionaire, and I do not expect myself, or you to be given billions for simply owning a hat that does less than a chefs hat. yet you do.

I do not need to meet your standards to have valid ideas, I do not even need players support. I can have any idea I want and no matter what player says no support, if jagex can see a reason for the change, they will change it regardless of what you think.

I don't care to change your mind, I know a resupply, or infinite supply of partyhats is absolutely needed to stop abuse. or the Discontinued Item Marketplace forums should be removed to make trading them actually rare and difficult. Jagex should ban FC's and Discontinued Item threads designed for mani.....checking prices. Jagex should code Item Manipulation Detection programs like they did for Botting.
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Great Depression is your assumption, just like mine is the exact opposite, neither can be proven and tbh a great depression only affecting partyhat owners and the wealthy would be a good thing.

Nothing in the modern game will ever dramatically increase out of proportion without manipulation forcing it or Jagex forcing it. No items will suddenly be uneconomic. and more expensive rune armor for example is no issue if people can afford to spend 80m on torva. or 40m on Malev and let it degrade to dust.

If Partyhats prices are acceptable and "obtainable," then it absolutely doesn't matter if any other market gets affected or made slightly more expensive due to an unproven "economy change" that you think will happen. because people can and will afford it anyway.

So all in all, you worry about the low prices changing and are scared of the high prices being set with an outrageously high minimum price that can only ever increase? And you protect manipulation because.....?
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04-Oct-2017 22:08:59

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And once again, you let a single word define and justify every overpowered aspect of anything in the game.

Discontinued is unfair, overpowered, they don't even need to flip or merch these items. They make the profit without doing anything. They make more profit than anybody while they sit logged out.

You are entirely selfish, unlike me. Nothing I have suggested gives me a partyhat, nothing takes anything away from owners. And them suddenly needing to work to make money is a bad thing? Allowing manipulation to continue at its pique is smarter than forcing it to start over? Not even.

You worry about the less fortunate having to pay more for cheap items but will never concern yourself with people who have the infinite wealth to influence any market they choose. Your diverting arguments have no value so long as you only worry about the rich getting richer for free.
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05-Oct-2017 20:28:06

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Instead of coming to the same forum i come to and complaining about me having a problem with pixels and telling me to take it to real world situations, how about, this is the game forum, if I have a complaint about the game, I'm coming here. If i have real life issues, i wouldn't take my complaints here. Thanks for the irrelevant and off topic diversion.

"The 20 billion gold price tag is absolutely nothing to what the people manipulating these markets have made?" You realize they made that larger sum from abusing the easiest and most manipulated forced item in game, right?
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06-Oct-2017 17:22:02

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Gemma Lyn said:
When you give players access to what's effectively cheats, they'll abuse it more often than not. It's the whole mad-with-power deal.


Pretty sure I've said this many times. People will happily abuse the profits partyhats have because there is no 'legal issue' with it. Overpowered or not, they will abuse it as best they can, because they can. They already do.
Gemma Lyn said:
If phats were re-released by TH, they'd have to be made untradeable for at least a few years. This would come with its own economic issues, practically destroying the wealth of players with phats and removing an entire market.

If it was done on TH, which I've said before I also don't necessarily agree with, I agree they'd need to be made untradeable, I've said that before too. but I see no problem with those players losing value if that happens, Every item crashes, hardly anybody ever gets 'covered' on their losses when crashes happen. Partyhats should be no different.

Every owner exclaims how easy it is for them to make money, with or without their hat, so if they lost a lot in a crash on the games most expensive item, don't worry, they can make it back.
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The best way to re-release phats with minimum economic damage would be through some in-game NPC who trades them at a constant high price (either charging gp or summoning shards to reflect recent market value). This wouldn't be a perfect fix; it would still hurt the market in the long run.


Thanks for supporting the store idea :)
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> it will help correct the markets by increasing the supply

TBH I'm tired of reading this, or posts akin to it.

Putting Phats on TH will *only* affect the prices of Phats. A Noxious Scythe will not go down in price because Phats are suddenly on TH.

This entire thread is consistently attempting to sell itself as some new revolutionary fix to the RS economy which is a blatant untruth and a tad bit sad as it comes off as desperate to sell your cause.

A Phats value isn't due to the inflation of the RS economy. It's because that's what people are willing to pay for it.


Funny part is it is the Nonsupporters using that "other markets will be affected" argument more than myself. albeit their reason isn't that "noxious scythe will go down" but quite the opposite. They think if partyhats were to be recontinued in any way, shape, or form, that everybody who 'trades and merchants' partyhats will move their interest and their overly manipulative control over markets to weapons like t92s. making them the next 'partyhats' to work for.

You may be sick of seeing that argument, while I'm personally sick of seeing "It's only priced how it is because people are willing to pay it" which I guarantee is not the case. and if it were the case, keeping their prices the same for originals is entirely acceptable. as long as they can be recontinued in some way to stop them from being overpowered tools for profit that only the top 1% of players can abuse.
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Economics 101 obviously never taught you anything about forced market manipulation. When there is an extremely limited supply of something that is almost entirely monopolized by the wealthiest of people . And in a market where there is literally no defined price, those wealthiest people decide the price. Not the economy and whole market of those items.

Partyhats are not raising in price billions in Months due to an occasional new person coming up with 20b for one purchase. So what is your explanation for it, given that you say "if they were only traded between the same 30 people, they will not rise"
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First part: You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Partyhats are under the term 'Discontinued' which means two things.

One: Every single Partyhat is owned by somebody, there is no supply source.
Two: Every single trade involving a partyhat, by definition, means Demand is greater than the supply, because there is no supply source. Meaning the prices can only ever Rise.

Second part: More often than not, It absolutely is the same groups of merchants trading partyhats, contrary to your belief that every purchase is a new owner. Do you think that previous owner is just going to sit down and not try to get it back?

Do you think the Marketplace forum for 'Discontinued Items' has 16 million posts (the combined number of posts between every single discussion/suggestion forum put together a dozen times over) because of new buyers only? yeah, I don't think so.

Lets get one thing clear, Every Trade Raises the Prices, even if current owners do nothing and just sit on their hats, they make profit from what they paid for it. even if they sell for the new Lowest margin. They wouldn't take the Lowest margin though, more likely going to sell towards to middle-higher range of the margins, which are hundreds of mils apart and then start pming people from the forums to get it for cheaper ASAP.

>the people naming the prices aren't the ones buying them.

Obviously. The seller can name any price he wants, which, if he wants, can just be 1b above the last known max. and the buyer would be none-the-wiser about any possible price changes and might get scammed. but he wouldn't know it was a scam, and he would confirm that he paid the price. good job, partyhat now goes up 1b to everybody else's knowledge. because of a scam.

>Don't blame the players. Blame the game. Blame the people who are buying them. Those are the individuals that are raising your prices.

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>It sounds like you have more of an issue with scamming and discontinued items existing more than caring about phats specifically.

No, I have a problem with things being overpowered and abused.

>Every single person who buys and sells a phat is probably going to make a profit, intentionally or not.

Good point. and with the margins and price increases being so heavy, and happening so rapidly, sounds like abuse.

>If you want the prices to drop, stop paying for them. It' such a simple solution that doesn't involve re-writing the game. But people are always going to pay for them.

Looks like you are another ignorant person who assumes I care if the prices drop or not. I care about the manipulation being stopped and the price increases being under a better control.

>I can see now where others present you the argument that if phats were re-released, the merchers would just go to the next high-ticket item that makes the most profit on a trade. I think that's a standard model. I would do that were I in this business. Then we can all get together and have a 150-page thread about Easter eggs and pumpkins on TH.

I am entirely fine with any and all discontinued, overpowered items being added to the Store idea. I already said many times I disagree with TH as the resupply. but I support it over keeping rares overpowered.

Manipulation can be tracked if Jagex was smart enough to code an Item-Manipulation-Detection program like they did for Bot Detection. Manipulators all deserve to get banned regardless of what item they use. and I would rather them be forced to restart on any new item than to simply allow their maximum profit tools to continue being abused.

Also, glad you admit you would just abuse a different market yourself if the hats were released again, you prove yourself to be an example of the owners I talk about.
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>Yes I'd imagine the total number of item discussion posts spanning over a decade would be quite high.

It isn't the total posts in "item discussion." That 16 million posts, is Discontinued Items only. Check out the page yourself. "Buying all partyhats, pm me" "selling all partyhats, pm me" (or color specifics) for 50 pages. with the occasional Santa offers. Marketplace forums for every other item in the game over 16 years do not have anywhere near the post-count as Discontinued items alone. except for Weapons and armor which is the only higher number.
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Kalea Sprite said:
This just in!



It will be the most amazing event ever!

Partyhats for everyone!!! :D :D :D


If done on TH, this idea has my vote. perhaps the purple gem can offer a free roll on this table, which might have empty spaces so it's a fair roll, new colors and cosmetic if we don't want new rares or people suddenly getting rich.
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IX Kurama said:
I just want the people who are advocating for a more controlled price of rares, to understand that we had that. For years. I don't know if you remember it. But you may remember the 3k trading limit, lack of a wilderness, and junk trading? Maybe? Maybe not?

The GE was regulated. Drops were regulated. No more drop trading. No more monopolies.

That was a dark time. That's why 97% of the community voted to have that revoked. For those of you that want that, by all means. Ruin the game. Again.

You really want rares for everybody? Go play OSRS. They're there. Blue phats are 11k each.

Have fun.


Yet another alt who knows nothing about the subject. Keep your irrelevant comments to yourself if you cbb to read or understand the ideas presented.

This is nothing like removing free trade, The purple gem Roll on partyhats of fortune wouldn't give anybody a tradable rare, and nobody who gets a partyhat from it is getting an Original color partyhat either. So yeah, your argument is entirely pointless.

even after partyhats of fortune, I plan on continuing this battle in the Recontinue Originals thread, because they, as profit tools, are overpowered and game-breaking. They are Far more advantageous for the top 1%, than they would ever be disadvantageous to anybody if recontinued.
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Exit Wound said:
if its that terrible of an issue jagex would be banning phat owners left n right, if u are that concerned about price manip jagex can regulate harder on price manip and leave phats the way they are.....oh whats that, your gonna complain about not having enough in stock for every single player in the game? too bad life isnt fair


They have banned far too many owners already. one leading reason for the prices being beyond the maximum limit of the game. I see max cash being at a fair price to call it controlled. If you suddenly raise max cash, the prices for so many different types of items are eventually going to start rising more and more. The worth and value of gp itself is going to drop because eventually with the increase of max cash they will have to increase drops in every creature to compensate and give people the idea that max cash can be obtained by someone who has no "discontinued item advantages"

To destroy the economy like that forcing tons of reworks on them to adapt to the changes expected by deflating currency just so a dozen or so items can "stabilize in their high profits and be extremely more convenient to buy and sell" is just not right. you don't need a higher goal if there is only discontinued item owners and no-life pvmers that can reach it. there is such a thing as simply storing your wealth with shard boxes if you currently have no goal except for more money. Which is a pretty sad goal imo unless you intend to attempt rwt to use the insane amount of wealth you can cash in on which, even at 20c/mil, is a lot of potential cash that you might get away with. I wonder if that was an influence in many of those banned accounts.

How does keeping them being forced in raising mprices under player control and making them easier to trade sound like an economically correct decision?
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I Am Singham said:
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This thread is (finally) just about dead? Good.

says who? :)

Common sense. Although, in your case, it might be *not-so-common.


this thread will not be dead until it gets locked or accepted. and it has no reason for a lock as the discussion is obviously still going to happen. You have no right to try and force closure on it.
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13-Oct-2017 23:34:45

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How about we stop with the insults and get back on topic. You are actually derailing the thread with claims that it is completed and ready for a lock.

Most here, including Blackwing and Draco, have agreed to new colors that are entirely cosmetic, so I proposed another favored supporters idea which would be perfect for that, Partyhats of Fortune, which a roll on the table could be perhaps either bought with enough bonds, or a free roll if you land it as a purple gem? I would love to hear Kalea's ideas for it if she comes back again.

but like I said, I entirely plan to continue for my other goal of fixing overpowered originals outside of this idea for new cosmetics.

Here is the general idea for cosmetics though, in case you missed it.
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14-Oct-2017 11:11:29

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It would be a fitting solution to make a supply source of any kind, be it Treasure Hunter, Store, or even matching with Hazelmere's rarity on the Rare Drop Table. tons of rng ways to make people rich already, what's one more? I prefer the gold sink and continuation of them being earned, but any supply source will do.
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16-Oct-2017 05:31:04

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Hoods on capes aren't needed, but you seem desperate for that. for a "collector of cosmetics" you sure like to say no to a lot of cosmetics being suggested. Not only that but. ...

Draco Burnz said:


Might as well bring every holiday item back at this point.


Wasn't intended, but support!
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16-Oct-2017 18:40:07

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Exit Wound said:
no support for any type of phat, you would agree with me too

Whatusaytome said:
Cosmetics serve no purpose and are really only good for fashionscape while you play. We have hundreds of outfits and almost nobody ever looks the same unless intentional or not overriding their armor. IMO we do not need more cosmetics as of right now, save that for AFTER you fix the broken parts of the game.


Cosmetic versions of Partyhats is part of something in game that needs to be fixed, Partyhats. Cosmetics don't "fix" them, but they are more than welcome alongside the real fix.
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GUCCIIIIIlII said:
no support
And I do not support Alt's abusing the forums, look how that's turning out.

Cosmetic New Color Partyhats do not devalue Originals, There is already a better suggestion of what to do with Originals too. But since most Partyhat Owners themselves said they would agree to new colors that are entirely nontradeable and cosmetic, lets make that happen in the meantime.
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03-Nov-2017 18:32:31

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If you could pay attention to detail, you would notice the current idea for originals does not add any to the game. So they stay "discontinued" but become truly rare and prestigious items that even those who can afford would struggle to buy, and prices would never crash again. Always going up and only being tradable via party pete.

Idk why I'm explaining to you though, you won't even provide a real reason why they shouldn't be fixed, and saying "i did say it" is again just avoiding the topic. But don't worry, I do know your answer. "I just don't see why :@"
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03-Nov-2017 22:36:37

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Wasn't my thread, wasn't a troll thread. Only got locked because of actual trolls who can't understand how the recontinuation could actually benefit the game, choosing to disregard any suggestion no matter what it is just to keep overpowered advantages to themselves, choosing to constantly insult me instead of discussing outcomes.

Not to mention the mods faulty reasoning of "this suggestion was on a no-no list that no longer exists, so it shouldn't be here" meaning that list is gone, meaning that the topic is allowed to be discussed.

Problem with that is the people replying don't care what I say, the fact I said it means they already disagree, because my goal is to make them fair items that people should make as their ultimate investment goal, because the longer you hold it, the higher it gets. but these guys all have the goal to make sure the hats continue being vastly overpowered profits due to manipulation.

Then she claims that the thread has been around long enough for Jagex to see, and decide for themselves what to do. But that concept that Jagex kept up with a thread here that wasn't theirs is doubtful, considering if they actually did, they could lock it themselves with an answer that gives both sides closure, and their actual decision. providing a real reason instead of assumptions and accusations.

But Jagex won't answer us themselves.

This thread however can remain as recent on-topic discussion leads this thread in the direction of New color hats, Nontradeable, and cosmetic only. Which most nonsupporters of the recontinuation of originals have agreed to, because they wouldn't affect originals. this idea is not in line with her reason for locking the other. Which is "suggestions about tradable rares" and this being a suggestion of new Nontradeable items
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boidaez said:
what about rares from banned accounts go into th as prizes
like a new colour slot, so you got white, yellow, red, purple and maybe black for banned account items you can win

that could include large quantitys of skilling suppls and stuff like that as well as rares.
then instead of re release their just kept in circulation decreasing the huge rises from hoarders

that way newbies and old timers get a chance to win them
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Would you look at that, yet ANOTHER alt, with no skills really leveled at all, 985 total with 8.7m xp, clearly earned your santa hat. right? LOL

Since it is obvious you do not appreciate any concept, including one that does not affect original hats at all. You have no opinion in this thread.

Something that was around since classic is cool? Chop a tree and get a Log. those were around since classic too. You only see something as prestigious if they are not recontinued? Good, this does not recontinue them, this makes entirely new items that are untradeable.

Something that was recently released and doesn't do anything isn't cool? Complain to jagex about more than half of their recent updates.

Something about players not playing for so long meaning they just don't understand anything, look at your own account.

If people were given partyhats of any kind, they would get worn by different people on different days, and you can never, EVER say they will not get worn or used for anything.

Might even promote Keepsake Key sales for people to wear their new cosmetics bossing. did you think of that?

This promo being on TH instantly means there will be some people who pay their mtx fees to get it. which means it makes Jagex money.

"If you want to know what will happen, look at the fish mask" Fish mask is tradable, instantly not the same because nothing that comes from this event is tradable.

No Original hats get re-released, and nothing about this event is tradable, so the gold will not be going anywhere differently than it already does.

That's all I have to say to this alt. It's clear you have no comprehension of NONTRADABLE NEW ITEMS at all. and you only intend to get this thread locked, just the same as all of the trolls in the other thread.
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12-Nov-2017 18:35:56

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Konota said:
A Blue Santa said:
i want a partyhat

Me too, but some are coming up with some extreme nonsense to get theirs :- (
Just like you are finding every excuse not to read the suggestions. This does not affect your hat, this makes new, untradeable hats. So re-read the latest suggestions and try again.
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Key Player said:
Partyhats are the equivalent of the RS treasury
, re-releasing them would be
catastrophic to the economy
.
If you think 8billion Partyhat is a problem,
try playing the game when a super restore costs 500k
. INFLATION if the problem here, not the partyhat. Simply put, too much gold is entering the game with nowhere to go. Rares supplement the issue.

Remember, the gold has to go somewhere. Nobody "needs" a partyhat, but you do need Gear & supplies that would be outrageously priced without Rares backing up the economy.



Edit- That does not even include t92 gear, which is already in the billions. Imagine the price if there were no Partyhats, dear god.O_o
T92 weapons should be the items that cost this much, not a cosmetic paper hat that alchs for 2gp.

If you think you are a "Key Player" in this game, then you are just another self-entitled brat who thinks they are better than everybody. Cry more about your hat after it gets released.

That is... if the rerelease even crashes the value, considering there are options that maintain their status.

You really think the outrageous cost and hyperinflation of partyhats is a determining factor in the price of items like super-restores? LOL no.

I have already personally suggested a rerelease method that keeps them at their costs and makes every new hat entering the game into a Massive Gold Sink, keeps their values from ever crashing, and keeps their status as the highest monetary goal this game has. But you obviously don't read past anything other than "MY PHAT IS MINE, DONT TOUCH IT!"
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18-Nov-2017 17:21:08

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Key Player said:

I Provided a reasonable argument, while your defense is an attack on my RS name (i'm flattered by the way) this just shows your level of reading comprehension:)

edit- Judging by your "chromatic" hat, your opinion is clearly biased in favor of getting something (
a cosmetic
) you think is impossible to acquire, when really it just takes patience and a little bit of brain power:)

Your name just happened to be a noticeable sign of how you value yourself over others. But it's funny how you complain about me attacking one thing out of your post, but your entire response to my post though is an attack at me personally, and no comments on my suggestion.

Your "reasonable argument" was desperate fallacy. Partyhats are the equivalent of the RS3 Treasury?! LOL!
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Onv said:
Onv here,

This thread has turned into a troll thread basically. You can hope and wish for Phats to be re-released but that will never happen seeing it would crash the market INFLATING Any other item to an outrageous price leaving the cost of playing not even worth trying. Jagex knows better than to do this because it will cost them more money and players in the long run and eventually terminate the very existence of Runescape, and we know that they can't afford to lose anymore players than they already have so I have to agree with Key Player on this one.

Thank you,
Onv

I find it hard to believe you came to these forums only to sell a pudding, and complain about people thinking rares are overpowered or unfair.

A rerelease, which as discussed has also included possibilities that keep them at their prices and keep them from ever being able to crash ever again, but you likely didn't read those, did you?
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Jokku23 said:
Cheerless said:
Won't happen.

I'm on board though, I just like the way the purple one looks.

Cheers for your support, Cheerful Cheerless! I'm jealous of your title. I hope I can be cheerful again soon!

Artea said:
I have had many phat sets and I FULLY SUPPORT this message ;)

Cheers for your support! You both have very good titles! Cheers!

Keep doing what you do Jokku, you are a good dude :)
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Taken from the active Discontinued Item Status thread.

Lets do some math, shall we? Cheapest partyhat is 7.5b, the purple.

7.5b/17m=441 This is the roughly the number of bonds it would take being bought from Jagex to rwt your way to the cheapest partyhat.

441*$6=$2646 just for a pixel hat. and the blue is worth over 3x that itself.

How many people do you think are actually willing to spend that money for a runescape item? and do you think those people would actually intend to keep it and not attempt to rwt flip it at a later point? Personally, if I spent that much money on a game item, I would try to make a profit on it instead of taking a total loss of thousands of dollars. And when they get banned for that, and lose those thousands of dollars invested, its just not going to go well for anybody.

Do you think Jagex would make more money from waiting for those very rare purchases made by actual rich people in the real world, or do you think they would profit more from releasing 140 different colored copies priced between 50m-7b and waiting for people to invest in those ON TOP of waiting for those purchases you claim happen?

Or even if they put them on treasure hunter in place of the 200m, more people would invest in attempts to get it, only adding to those who may rarely purchase a partyhat for thousands of dollars.

Either way, I see more bonds being bought for partyhats from rerelease, either lowering their prices or simply adding quantity, or variety.
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boidaez said:
so where will they invest in next? if this happens and no one trust the rare market ever again, theyll inflate what? you cant get rid of merching, itll go to running up prices of actual game items resources like planks and herbs and stuff and since jagex are pushing 120's i think thatll be naff

maybe your thinking about removing free trading to back to how it was, you know back to when only a select few could buy pahts like they are now
They can invest in literally anything that has a buy and sell market. Rares are only an extremely overpowered market that few can partake in at any given time. If you want, you can invest in Ores, Logs, Mining Helmets, Hydrix gems, even Sapphires! Have you actually participated in merchanting items that aren't guaranteed? or are you not actually skilled in investing? Did you ever know Chessy018's merch fc? or whatever that name was back then?

But, if anybody wishes to have a partyhat, I still fully support this, as well as my Store of 140 amazing new colors.

BTW, Jokku is right, cannonballs being more than 430 each makes more sense than a single partyhat being as high as 24b and rising.

People SHOULD be spending more on their resources for levelling up rather than being able to spend all their money, buying a single item that keeps rising, making their money for them. That isn't investing, that's buying a cheaters way to free guaranteed wealth.

The only reason every resource is so cheap is because every boss drops more of the resources than skilling for the resources does.
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Thatds said:
I wish I could have a party hat. Good lord, do I wish. They're valuable, they look neat, and it's kind of funny to see worn.

But I don't think they should be added to Treasure Hunter.

There's value in having something to strive for. Value in there being something almost unattainable, but...not quite. It could be yours, one day, if you managed to get to be that .01% of the people with enough money to buy one and actually wear it.

Would I like more to be introduced into the game? Yeah, I do. Do I wish they weren't hoarded and sold for ludicrous amounts of gold? Also yes.

But using the monstrosity we call Treasure Hunter is a terrible way to distribute it. TH is already a cheap cash-grab at people who want to Pay to Win, and adding Party Hats would be adding the jackpot of all jackpots; you'd be rich enough that you'd probably never have to grind for gold ever again.

That kind of overpowered insanity is too much for Treasure Hunter.
what would you say to 140 brand new colored partyhats in a store, all either costing 50m each, adding up to a grand total of 7b for the collection... Or increasing prices so 7b is the highest costing and 50m is the cheapest to use as stepping stones towards your goal of the rares, all while making all purchases sink gold from the game to own the colors you like best.

Enough partyhats for anybody interested, not adding supply to the existing rares to leave those as the end goals. Enough colors to pique the interest of every wealthy fashionscaper. Used pretty much as optional cosmetic displays of your current wealth status
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Konota said:
Good news OP, they are re-releasing partyhats. You can become one if you equip a ring (Ring of Rares). Not sure if it's done by TH, but eh. They're doing it.
(Seen in the DB)

Now that this is done, let's close this meaningless thread, shall we? :)
No.
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@Exit Wound, you like to reply to everybody except me ;). I think it's safe to say we will see more partyhats in the future. It is a much healthier option for the game as a whole. Either by adding more of the current rates, or my 140 new ones. There is absolutely no reason to say they should not come back, except for Greed.
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First off, do not insult me by thinking me simple-minded enough to follow any one belief like Socialism or Capitalism. I support whatever ideas benefit the economy better as well as what makes the greater amount of people happy. You seem to support those whom are already happy, or you support anything that benefits you directly.

When i say you like to respond to everybody except me, that goes for every single thread about the topic. Much like how you made your own thread to ask the community about why people hate rich people and rares, and you didn't accept any of the answers given to you in that thread, so you let it die. you even made a direct insult to me in the OP of it. "I already know what the guy with the chromatic will say, so dont turn this into another rerelease thread." or something like that, remember that?

I didn't say it is safe that we will see the "re"release in the future. Look in the quote, where i specifically said "we will see MORE partyhats in the future" I did say "either by rereleasing current rares, OR my store idea." because both concepts are overall beneficial for the larger community as well as the game.

It doesn't take God or Religion to be a decent human being, right? It takes caring for your fellow humans, regardless of their stature. Stop worrying only about the richest of the community, because no matter what happens, no matter the price drop, they will still be much more successful than the majority of the rest of the community. Unless they were literally stupid enough to dump everything into one cosmetic hat.

No matter what happens, the items they all own remain discontinued. Even with a re-release. They will still have the best item advantage this game offers, only now it will be left to actual skill to gain the benefits.

I also did not hijack this thread, i support Jokku in Phats on TH as well as my idea. I just want people informed about both.
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1: Like i said, do not insult me by pinning me to any singular belief. I do not believe in Socialism 100%, nor do i believe in Capitalism 100%. I do not care for either wholeheartedly, nor will i ever. I post the way i do because of other peoples' ignorance. The many individuals like yourself whom ignore any legitimate argument against them, and for example, pin anybody who holds the belief that releasing new versions of an item can be economically beneficial as a Socialist Scumbag.

2: I am the ignorant fool? I reopened that thread specifically to see if you even posted a second time. you did not. The only answers were from Well-known highly skilled players calling everybody else Jealous, or other people stating actual opinions, like me, on why people "hate rich people and rares." None of the "well known" players posted any acknowledgement of ANY of the abuse that comes with the items.

3: I post the idea in those threads because most people seem IGNORANT to it. As if they have never seen it. I post it continuously because it actually does get support, and does not get actual reasons to not support anymore. Only ignorance is bliss.

4: Define for me how anything involving brand new items Pollutes the game? You mean the only option for literally anybody of any wealth to show off what level of wealth they have? Better for rebalancing the Value of GP? Or working their way up the ladder to the actual Tradable Rares?

Thinking that every person wont use new content is even more ignorance that you cannot prove. Implement it and prove me wrong, while every purchase made will prove me right. K?

5 + 6: Keep up the ignorance buddy, your self-centered views on the topic are obviously too close-minded to be open for discussion.
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Thatds said:
Kalea, I will repeat myself since you apparently don't seem to understand this: I do not support party hats on Treasure Hunter, and never will.

I'm really not sure what you mean by 'balancing the economy', but I don't like what it implies.

Furthermore, I don't think releasing party hats via TH will actually do as much for the MTX sales as you think it will. In the short term, maybe there will be a spike in transactions, but it won't be long until most people remember how hard it is to win anything worthwhile on TH.

In the long run, rereleasing the party hats via TH will piss off everyone who doesn't like TH, everyone who scraped up enough cash to buy a party hat, everyone who has saved their party hats for years on end, and every person that supports rereleasing the hats.

Seriously. After a few months, the party hats won via TH are going to be dropped right back into the merch rings, and while the price will inevitably go down, I'd wager that it'll be going down a lot slower than it's been going up these past years.

You want a party hat? Make Jagex release them via a New Year's Party Hat drop. Everyone gets one. Bob, the botter, gets one. 1337cashstax, the mercher, gets one. xXProReapsXx, the Overwatch player, gets one. Everyone gets a party hat.

But, for the love of god, never release them via Treasure Hunter. That thing's enough of a soulless cash grab.
I support adding more to the game because it spreads the wealth around and makes it better for more people. You are correct that they may always be back in the merch ring, but that helps more merchants at lower rates. Or the unsuspecting player with average stats suddenly getting the best RNG in his RS career.

While many have absolutely no intention of lowering their own overpowered profits to make more successful people, there's some that do. These would obviously be put in a new gem past purple, probably onyx black?
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Thatds said:
Jokku23 said:
Altractic said:
Some people have worked very hard to obtain it. Want a partyhat? Work as hard as them.

The problem is that there are not enough partyhats for everyone in game, but don't worry! I am working very hard to make Jagex rerelease them!


That's the point of the Party Hat at this point. Used to be that they were common as trees, and now, they're one of the rarest items in the game. There's not going to be enough for every player in the game.
Are you Jagex? No? Then don't speak for them. Kthx.
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Thatds said:
Whatusaytome said:
I am one of the only few people working on suggestions here, what have you done? What is your solution/compromise for the partyhat issues?


I'll say it again: get off your high horse. You're not some kind of saint for proposing game content.

My solution is to do nothing. If we have to do something, no questions asked, then give them to every person in the game. But, since we don't have to do anything, I would recommend leaving the Party Hats as they are. Sure, it sucks that a firm majority of people playing right now won't get one, but really, it's not that big of a deal.
If you think the only thing I'm worried about is how many people own them vs not, read more. There are legitimate problems that you probably wouldn't acknowledge even if I told you. Like you said, your solution to partyhats is do nothing, and that is based on your assumption that everything about them is healthy. You are obviously unaware of anything these many threads have talked about for thousands of posts.

I don't care if they choose to partially fix it by adding a chance for players to get luckier than ever, but I promote my store as the much, much healthier option game-wise. If you won't bother researching why I say partyhats need a drastic fix, you are not worth discussing it with. Because you will not understand it until you actually look into it. Do your own research, like many supporters have.
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You got a small portion of it, but you are on the right track. May I just say I find it kind of ironic that your signature is "get lucky or grind trying" but you don't support adding an even more rare gem for a more rare prize.

Many owners, over the past year and a half I've invested in these threads, have admitted to manipulation being largely involved in these items. Their price is based on player-made threads and arbitrary systems to keep track of any trade showing higher prices, while not showing the prices of, or accounting for hardly any lesser trades. You can go the the Discontinued Item Status v50 thread and watch it for some time if you want to check.

The status symbol aspect, I don't mind that much, but I want it to be made more open and varied by a store with varying, increasingly priced brand new nontradeable partyhats so many more people can flaunt something around and build their way to eventually maybe buying one of the tradable rares.

I'm glad you say time-locking content is dissatisfying, I agree.

The bigger issue though, stemming from the lack of supply, coupled with the arbitrary systems made to track prices, that players control entirely... Is that because there is so few, and because a large amount of owners can generate any artificial activity they want, means inflation rates for these items and none other in the game, make the prices rapidly increase faster than anything. Unless we can add more supply and/or more gold sinks, this will not stop. And my own suggestion was New partyhats be made as the games best gold sink. Both spreading the wealth by adding 140 new cosmetics to buy and revaluing GP to its former buying power.

Idk if you saw me compare prices for the blue, but. April 2017 a Blue Partyhat was around 12b, while we are in April 2018 now and the price is 24b. Every person who owned a blue partyhat this year, whether logged in or not, made 12b profit.
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Miu said:
boidaez said:
:Pif legit discontinued items get re released via th then youll know shtf

this thread is technically scaremongering


they already did this with rainbow cape, mimic stuff, and rubber turkeys.
again, you compare bringing recently made events back to bringing broken items back. Releasing Brand New partyhats via my store is absolutely NOTHING like how they brought turkeys, mimic, and rainbows end back. Releasing via TH while is more similar to rainbows end, is still not the same thing. Honestly, stop trying to minimize the importance of partyhat suggestions. If you can't understand it, you probably aren't even trying, which makes your arguments worthless.
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09-Apr-2018 23:22:50

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Thatds said:

If they want to manipulate the economy, then fine. If Jagex isn't coming down on them, then they're free to do it. I don't have to like it, but that's just their deal at this point.

And I'll let you in on a secret: just because something you have is 'worth' 24 billion doesn't mean you instantly earned 24 billion. Someone has to buy the fucking thing first. The money doesn't just appear out of thin air.

If someone is out there, willing to pay 24 billion for a Party Hat, then props to them. I probably wouldn't, but who knows? I don't have 24 billion to spend.
Let me correct some Thinking Errors you seem to have.

If any player is able to manipulate any aspect of this game for their self-gain to be rapidly increased beyond natural means, it is not functioning as intended no matter the rarity. This is similar to why people are told to Report Bug Abuse, only this is Market Abuse. Nothing about this is legitimate, and none of it should be allowed. They can actually flip their items if they still can post-update, to show they actually have the skill to do so.

You completely missed the point of the example where I said the hats have increased 12b in the past year. EVERY OWNER WHO OWNED IT FOR THAT FULL YEAR MADE THE 12b PROFIT. They can cash in on it at any point, but many are happy with maintaining their ever-increasing abusable items. If the items suddenly get fixed, they will panic sell, but still make a massive profit larger than the majority of this games players' total wealth's. They will live.

Just because you are fine and accepting of Jagex accepting that abuse is a part of their game doesn't make that a good thing. Just makes you ignorant to solving actual problems, which I see you completely ignored in my last post.
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10-Apr-2018 17:12:53

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you act as if I am the ignorant one, yet you say "if it is not an issue to Jagex, don't worry about it" As if they know every problem, or as if they are proactive at all. Are you a Jagex fan like Draco, where you support everything they do without question?

Feel free to call me ignorant when you can debate my points properly. You completely misunderstood that explanation twice now. They did not profit 24b. They had at least 12b last April. Spent that 12b last year on a cosmetic hat, logged out for the remainder of the year until now, and can sell that same item now for 24b. They gained 12 additional billion added to their total wealth without working at all or even logging in for a full year. EVERY SINGLE BLUE PARTYHAT OWNER WHO OWNED IT WITHOUT SELLING FOR 1 YEAR. This is without adding in actual earnings or activity.

On top of that price increase, even if Jagex finally decided to take action on the item and rebalance it... If everybody started trying to panic sell, there would still be many buyers/hoarders who will buy for well above what these people paid for it. These are the Pique items of wealth in this game, regardless of any fix, this will remain true. No matter the fix, especially if my suggestion is implemented, these items remain as Discontinued Rare, which means they remain valuable to everybody.

The players who own these hats monopolized them to the point where they can physically control their prices by generating any artificial activity they want. Many are Profiting Billions daily with minimal work, thanks to a few forum threads. Why don't you go to those threads and ask people how much they make? Then, when you find out, tell me why it is necessary or beneficial to the game that they have such a powerful advantage over everybody else?

If you think rebalancing the economy by giving GP a higher value is only going to affect partyhats, you don't know anything.
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10-Apr-2018 22:02:57

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Lmfao, child... Listen. If I was envious or jealous, my suggestions would not currently be about adding new items that do not currently exist. I would rather Nobody have items that can be real world traded for thousands of dollars each with constantly increasing value. I would rather see Jagex owning and maintaining the price tracking system so every trade is accounted for.

I am adding 140 brand new untradeable colors of this item to make GP more balanced to its RWT value, which does not deflate as rapidly as GP inflates. I am adding 140 new untradeable items to be the cheaper version that more people have access to, only buyable from the store so every purchase sinks gold.

I am content with allowing more of the originals in the game to add more endgame goals for wealthy players. I am content with adding a new gem to TH to give an occasional player the best RNG of their Runescape careers. I am fine with lowering the unrealistic prices of these 6 items to be better, more realistic goals for more people to save for.

You have not actually given any reason for me to say things are fine as is. And as I said before, ignorance is bliss. But ignoring problems means problems will never get fixed.
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11-Apr-2018 00:03:52

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I called you a child because you have the problem solving skills of one. once again, Ignorance is Bliss, ignoring problems gets nothing done.

Thanks for admitting you personally have no intention of ever supporting anything on TH ever, and good thing my personal suggestion does not involve TH at all. My suggestion, which I suggest we move to, so Jokku can have his thread with its remaining space. All New Partyhats Store!

I never said I was a saint for suggesting anything, the only person assuming I think I am a saint is you. I do not care who respects me for suggesting anything, I will continue to make my points for Jagex to eventually see. Your opinion is not actually my concern. But it pains me to see so many people literally ignore legitimate problems just so the richest people in the game can stay having the largest, most overpowered advantage with the least amount of work.

As for the coding of my concept, the only part that would take the time is to make the interface of Party Pete's afro store have another tab at the top to switch to the Partyhats section, implementing prices, an unlock for any titles they add, liste, adding the recolored items to the list of purchasable content. The item Partyhat already exists, recoloring that is a copy-paste job with recolors using the BBCODE list of colors.

If people want to pay real dollars for a partyhat, I suggest buying bonds and helping the company by buying enough for any of the colors that appeal to you from my store.

And for you saying it is entirely OK for people to rwt them between eachother is wrong, as it is actually against Jagex's rules to do so, and if you tried, you might waste thousands of dollars to buy a ban. so like I said, I support buying the money to get the hat through Jagex directly via bonds.
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11-Apr-2018 17:37:12

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First off, I posted the link to my thread specifically for us to move to it. Post your reply there so we can leave Jokku's thread.

Second, My personal suggestion doesn't involve TH, but I also support the TH option. I have said this dozens of times now throughout the thread, and I will continue supporting it because almost any fix is better than leaving them as is.

I seriously want you to look up the full, legitimate definition(s) of "Ignorance is Bliss" and understand why I have said it about you so much. The primary definition on google will say "if you do not know about something, you do not worry about it." But if you looked deeper, there are several definitions leading the belief that some individuals seek ignorance to have comfort in not knowing the truth.

This is exactly what you are doing here, saying it isn't my problem so I shouldn't worry about it? Or saying that there are no problems despite the numerous ones I've explained to you, such as Players, not Jagex, controlling the most powerful market in the game for their massively overpowering profit that far outclasses every single working aspect of this game.

You can personally believe there is no problem, that can be an opinion... but when it is proven wrong directly to you and you straight up refuse to accept it, that is ignorance.

I have given you direction as to where to go if you want to prove everything I say right or wrong. Go to the Discontinued Marketplace forum, watch how frequently it gets updates from partyhat offers. Go to the Discontinued Item Status thread and see how much profit every frequent trader makes. Talk to the owners themselves, like I have many times.

Do some research yourself before calling me full of shit.
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11-Apr-2018 22:51:22

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Konota said:
Whatusaytome said:
I also support the TH option

Konota said:
Whatusaytome said:
just stop wasting all of the dev time on new promotions

.

Which 1 is it?
I prefer not have new promo's
Don't misquote me from two different unrelated threads. Are you seriously that desperate? Let alone the fact the posts are 6 months apart. I did not even support removal of TH like you think I did, I said stop with the useless, purposeless, money-grab promotions that did nothing for the game or it's players. Did you even read my post?

I also said I support partyhats on TH because any fix to their problems is better than sitting and doing nothing, and I support giving people a chance at the best rng of their rs lives. Even you would have a chance to win, or, cash out if it was really such a terrible thing for you to win another partyhat.
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12-Apr-2018 21:28:10

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Sintacks said:
I'm surprised this thread is still alive considering how ludicrous and absurd this suggestion is. OP and his supporters might say it'll be more fun for everyone to re-release phats on TH, but in reality, that is the most selfish thing one could ask for in this game. People have worked their asses off to obtain one, whether in the past when they were 300m or at their current price. Locking phats behind TH is downright despicable and greedy. It will essentially kill any remaining integrity Jagex has as a game developer and a company, and for what reason? Just so some beggars with irl money can open a bunch of chests for a chance at a virtual paper hat?

In conclusion, no support, nor will I ever support such an idea. If they ever consider this, it will surely be the final nail in the coffin for many players. If you really want a phat, consider begging at the GE in W2. You'll have a better chance of getting one through that than Jagex re-releasing them through TH.
If you don't like Jokku's suggestion, there are others. If you don't support his, that doesn't mean you wouldn't support the one in my signature, because they are different.

Personally I am fine with either, and I don't care if the richest of the rich players lose some wealth for Jagex to bring back an overly powerful item for more people to use, or even as a rebalance to the outrageous player-controlled prices. The richest of the rich players have 10s and even hundreds of billions of gp in total wealth, and they have no actual use for it all besides partyhats. Regardless of how many partyhats they purchase, the more they purchase, the less there are goals for everybody to work for, and the more powerful this one person's profits, due to hyperinflation.

Regardless if done by TH, or by my signature suggestion, they become better for the game, and better for more people. Even if the originals are brought back.
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14-Jun-2018 20:12:43

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Blackwing said:
Jokku23 said:
Sintacks said:
This is idiotic beyond belief at this point. All these people wanting partyhats on TH are the first to bitch about OP TH promos and MTX as a whole, smh.

Although I personally have not complained about TH promos, a lot of people complain about them because they would like to see more cosmetic promos instead of continuous xp selling. That's why they support this thread.

Cosmetic promos on Solomon's store, though. Whether you gamble for exp, gp or cosmetics, gambling is still gambling, which is not appropriate as a form of MTX. > )
except it is never a gamble because no matter what you win, you always win something. You may be spending to buy an outfit, and I have no problem with outfits moving to Solomons to be fully avail for purchase so nobody overspends for something others get cheaper. But TH is fully functional and should be kept because it actually makes the game better for more people than you think.
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20-Jun-2018 22:27:40

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Strike 1260 said:
Whatusaytome said:
Adding new partyhats can benefit Runescape. Support!


How so?
Because I'm talking about brand new partyhats and not originals.

Mine are entirely new colors for people to have cosmetic interest in.

Mine offer more availability than the existing supply.

Still only being available to only wealthy players whom put time into earning money can get, for example opening a billionaires club by making the cheapest one 1b. Anybody who can purchase one can literally show off that they work.

These are untradeable, only purchasable through a store ingame. Every purchase is gp removed from the game, unless refunded, which may or may not be taxed to add a permanent sink. Based off popular vote in a poll of course.

Being untradeable, they are not a serious threat to the originals, which remain the most exclusive items in the game.

If their wealth value ever seems threatened, adding them can have them set for any specific price, such as anywhere they've been in the past. I don't think this would ever be necessary, I think the rares would have more demand and interest than ever.

The range of colors added to the store with the varying prices is guaranteed to bring more wealthy players interested in partyhats as well as slightly benefiting the economy with billions of gold removed with every purchase.

That's how :)
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01-Aug-2018 02:15:04

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Blackwing said:
IceKitty6 said:
Support,

why?...
because i like your cheerfull attitude.
And i want to cheer up others too.

Give new players alternate versions and let the veterans keep the original versions -> everyone is cheerful! > )
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Because I'm talking about brand new partyhats and not originals.

Mine are entirely new colors for people to have cosmetic interest in.

That's how :)
Look Blacky! We agree! New versions are great!
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01-Aug-2018 15:35:22

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Whatusaytome said:
Strike 1260 said:
Whatusaytome said:
Adding new partyhats can benefit Runescape. Support!


How so?
Because I'm talking about brand new partyhats and not originals.

Mine are entirely new colors for people to have cosmetic interest in.

Mine offer more availability than the existing supply.

Still only being available to only wealthy players whom put time into earning money can get, for example opening a billionaires club by making the cheapest one 1b. Anybody who can purchase one can literally show off that they work.

These are untradeable, only purchasable through a store ingame. Every purchase is gp removed from the game, unless refunded, which may or may not be taxed to add a permanent sink. Based off popular vote in a poll of course.

Being untradeable, they are not a serious threat to the originals, which remain the most exclusive items in the game.

If their wealth value ever seems threatened, adding them can have them set for any specific price, such as anywhere they've been in the past. I don't think this would ever be necessary, I think the rares would have more demand and interest than ever.

The range of colors added to the store with the varying prices is guaranteed to bring more wealthy players interested in partyhats as well as slightly benefiting the economy with billions of gold removed with every purchase.

That's how :)

This is a far more likely outcome than any explanation you could ever post. Because you literally cannot explain anything. And I am not lying when I say I support only brand new hats, because that has been my idea's concept for months now and you are just now seeing it.
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02-Aug-2018 13:52:42

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Blackwing said:
Sintacks said:
Jokku23 said:
Old School 80k players
RS3 20k players


OSRS constantly releasing phats isn't why the game is more popular than RS3. Lol.

It's the next evolution of Munclemath™:

Munclelogic™

I have a white partyhat and I have a white dog.
-> My dog is a partyhat. (Or is my partyhat a dog?) > )
are you capable of explanations as to how anything being discussed is a bad idea or are you just going to spew nonsense all day? Just like Konota and Draco, you have nothing to say as reasons to not support new partyhats. So don't talk until you do, k? Thx.
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02-Aug-2018 21:20:02

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Sintacks said:
Whatusaytome said:
are you capable of explanations as to how anything being discussed is a bad idea or are you just going to spew nonsense all day?


You're one to talk, lmao.
And you are...?

I've explained my stances, and suggestions, and the outcomes I see resulting from my suggestions in full detail. What have you done besides try to insult me and anybody else who supports? Are you just another Blackwing troll that cannot explain, in detail, what reasons there are to not support?

Are you actually going to bring some worthwhile points to this debate or is that just me and Jokku? I see plenty of outside people supporting him thanks to the Reddit shoutout from a few pages ago, and I've seen support more than not since before then as well. And while Jokkus plan has a higher potential for damage than mine, that damage is only done to the people whom have the most, whom would hardly even notice if it happened and have already proven themselves capable of saving up once, so I support him still. It harms absolutely nobody else.

What do you have to say otherwise? That it would be unfair to those who had time spent getting those items? Or are you forgetting that when they purchased the items, they accepted that these items, with the most profit potential, are also the riskiest item to buy, because nothing is guaranteed to increase forever and that they should expect crashes to happen for any number of unpredictable reasons.
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02-Aug-2018 23:18:52

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UrekMazino said:
The only people who would be pissed off by the re-release of party hats are the merchers who spent billions on them. Lets be real, barely anyone will be quitting the game (if any at all) just because an end game goal is no longer as prestigious. There are other things players and work towards other than buying phats.
Sad thing is there are people like me trying to further expand the purpose of partyhats as endgame. But these illiterates can't comprehend it. My suggestion literally harms no people and is more likely to make the rares increase long term, but these people seem to think otherwise without any explanations as to why.

Blackwing is stuck on thinking it is deceitful practice to expand items with new versions. I'm not sure why he thinks that, because he cannot explain it and refuses to even reply to me. Almost cowardly.

You are correct, few if any would quit from an expansion and maybe a few more with rerelease. But the game will live and more people will be interested in partyhats in general. So I still continue supporting these fully legitimate forms of continuation.
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03-Aug-2018 17:52:04

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Jokku23 said:

Blackwing said:
1. I can understand from personal experience how it feels like to be deceived by Jagex, and as such, I wish no-one else would have to become a similar victim, because I can tell it really sucks when you do become one.

Have they said partyhats would never be rereleased again? If yes,
source is needed
. If not, there's no deception. People who think they will never be rereleased again are only deceiving themselves if they take it for granted. Also, people who make false claims are the ones deceiving others!
Amen to that!

Blackwing said:
Jokku23 said:
Have they said partyhats would never be rereleased again?

Yes, I remember the mention during a livestream long ago in particular, though as it tends to happen with livestreams, which livestream and at what time stamp is now lost to me.


Also, I love how Blackwing is referencing a stream from "long ago" as if they held the same stance on it. If I cannot use "the polls passed for selling holiday items on solomons" due to being a couple years old, he should not be able to reference any old streams. Especially if he cannot provide the source as asked.
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Historical Value is something I've never heard any person other than Blackwing mention or show concern for. Nobody else in the entirety of these threads has ever been worried about this very miniscule value. Btw, that is not actually something that is affected by my suggestion, which only brings new and untradeable versions while the originals are still the exact same as they are.

Expanding the items through new versions is not going to destroy the cash value either. As i see it, without any detailed explanations against it, adding new versions will only further the total demand and interest in partyhats while the tradable rares are the endgame.

Tradable Rare partyhats keep their exclusivity and rarity by still being the exact same decreasing quantity that has survived the test of time.

The hype of new partyhats would interest everybody. Everybody, including the current owners of today. All of whom could easily afford any single one of the new color partyhats they may want to own because there's no possible crash risk. Even the new versions are technically rares, because despite being unlimited, they are something not everybody can get and each one is an impressive accomplishment that displays to everybody else that you are a wealthy player and hard worker.

There is no downside.


You will never explain why those values are even at risk anyway. You simply say they are with no logical theory behind the claim. Draco is only going to continue acting like the points against me are able to be found, but he, like the 3 of you, will never explain anything himself or actually prove that the points even exist. Nobody is posting these important points in any new post for me to see and be like "fuck, that makes sense..." I'm doubting they even exist because nobody will explain them to me even though I've asked for a detailed post dozens of times.
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Respectfully and calmly worded requests of this same nature have been made before. They were still ignored. It's been several months if not over a year since Blackwing has actually talked to me or even acknowledged anything said by me. Why should I treat him with any kind of respect if he can't do the same?

I reported to Forum Help not for a lecture saying I'm at fault for asking the same on topic question dozens of times and getting sick of one individual who continues to spam posts that add nothing to the topic and avoid it. This trollish behavior is why nothing can get done, and if I don't get the reasons why my store concept is doing more harm than good, I won't believe it is. If they could show me the faults, I'm waiting.
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07-Aug-2018 06:10:00

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It's almost like nobody sees the snide insulting comments made in every post they respond to me with. If they want respect they can earn it. Add to the discussion. Answer questions instead of pleading ignorance out of pettiness.

If they answer, I won't have to repeat myself, and I won't get annoyed that they can't answer. Because it would be answered and the discussion can stop being stagnated on insults. It can move on!

I'll apologize for the aggression if it gets answers, but if they expect a calm and cordial discussion. Being arrogant and ignorant is not the way to do it. Answer questions and the person asking will be calm, don't answer (50 times) and they get frustrated. It's simple.

So, let me ask nicely.

Blackwing, answer these please?

1: What is historical value to you, and why is it worth preserving vs an expansion?

2: What will brand new colors worth a minimum of 1b with never-changing prices do to destroy the cash value of originals? And Why?

3: If the cash value of partyhats dropped dramatically enough that a new item became their prices, why would that be a bad thing? Wouldn't the most likely options be wreaths and Black Santa's due to already being rares and already closest to those values, rather than t92 that comes from boss drops?

4: do you actually think the store concept with only new colors is harmful? Why?
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07-Aug-2018 20:23:09

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CoolBeans568 said:
Jokku23 said:
It doesn't matter what you think they want. What actually matters is what the community want.


Yet the community doesnt want this.

I mean theres obviously a community outside the forums.

So you cant say they want this to happen till you ask them.
he did, it's on reddit, and many people have come from reddit specifically to support this thread.

Just read the past 20 pages and count supports vs nonsupports. If you want, I'll count them :)
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I'm not developed in my osrs account, but I do know for certain that, whether they actively wear them or not, a vast amount of players will still own rs3 rares like masks and partyhats and pumpkins in osrs regardless of them being low cost.

Many players simply use them as collectibles that build up over time. Even for the purpose of reducing owners and forcibly increasing rarity of them. Use Sparc Mac as an example. He displays his rares tab frequently in his YouTube PKing videos.

Anyway, rs3 poll passed and people say they support old untradeable holiday items returning for sale for loyalty. And a poll passed in osrs that says they support discontinued items being added. Neither of these really matter here, since neither is actually anything to do with Partyhats in either game. And I support both, because they are both great ideas.

I support this thread to make Partyhats more reasonable than what they have turned into, while doing it without destroying their market. It will lower prices, yes, but probably not as drastically as anybody is assuming. And anybody who has that total wealth already can more than comfortably afford the loss, which is fair because they should know the items weren't guaranteed to be safe and always increasing anyway.
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@Blackbird, I can make the claim that I see more Partyhats in osrs but you'd believe me just as much as I believe you when you say you see them more in rs3. Perhaps you see the same few people just more frequently, but I know for certain more people own them in osrs, whether they wear them when you are around them or not. More people own them at any given time in osrs.

You think an item that's been around for 17 years that has made every single inactive owner, as well as boosted every current owner into a multibillionaire, has given more satisfaction than one of the same that's been around for 5 and has maintained control over its market? Shocking. :O

Whether true or not, nowadays more people play osrs. Over 100k more people iirc. Out of what's left in rs3, there's nowhere near the amount of people being satisfied by partyhats compared to osrs. There's much fewer in circulation and far fewer total owners.

New owners in rs3 are far and few between, as they mainly get merched between the same groups of people in the marketplace forum. In attempts to make more profit than the highest level earnable source the game has. And few people manage to earn and save the minimum 7b just for their first buy.

Just because they are overpowered rares in one game doesnt mean that they have more meaning, or that That meaning is positive.
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There is a disadvantage for osrs Partyhats. There is no option for overrides like rs3. If a person wants to go bossing in osrs, they must wear armors. They cannot dress for fun with everything they do like people do in rs3.

Add overrides to osrs and I guarantee more Partyhats will start appearing in areas Blackwing would visit.

It is an absolute given that more people own Partyhats than in rs3. Otherwise Partyhats in rs3 wouldn't be extinct, limited to top 1% wealthiest players. You cannot tell us people don't care to own something when you don't know what people have in their banks, so stop assuming Partyhats in osrs don't have owners.

Just because you don't see them, or look for them obviously, doesn't mean they aren't there. That's you being ignorant, just like how you act like I'm not here anytime I post. Blackwing is known for ignoring things, and people, he doesn't like or agree with.
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18-Nov-2018 02:05:08 - Last edited on 18-Nov-2018 02:05:39 by Whatusaytome

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Eden Syvian said:


I'm going to assume that this whole 'Let's be happy and give everyone party hats so we can party together' is just a copy and paste concession of defeat because none of you have a clue what you're talking about and cannot debunk, refute or disprove anything I or anyone else who put a viable argument toward you has said.
you haven't made any comments towards any of my supporting posts, or suggestions, or debunked any of my explanations in any of the recent pages. Can you do so before calling me a copy paste defeated loser who doesn't make viable arguments? I'll link you to just a few.

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Just to be fair, with the talk about partyhat parties, I personally don't think they can ever drop that cheap or be increased in supply to this extent with this suggestion. But I do think the drop in Originals, although could be dramatic, is fair and justified. Kalea is right. Flip/merch profit potential on current Partyhats is the most overpowered afk gain in this game.

I think my own suggestion could guarantee any results desired for partyhats thanks to preset pricing for the store. There could be a few cheap nothings for party people, Billionaire exclusive rarities for the elitist class. And the Original rares we have, same quantity, but more desired as they remain the most exclusive rares the game has.

I see no downside.
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21-Nov-2018 23:00:35 - Last edited on 21-Nov-2018 23:40:39 by Whatusaytome

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How can you act like it's them posting bitterly when you are complaining about supporters by insulting them?

You didnt even mention a single comment towards my suggestion, yet again. Only complaining that I'm selfish for saying it's fair for the most overpowered AFK source of profit, which can only be used by the 1% richest people, to lose some power.

Everybody who owns one should have known from the start that they were buying the most expensive items, which involves more risk to them because of its cost. The more money you put into flip/merching, the riskier it is supposed to be. Risk/reward, right? Explain that to me using the marketplace forum and the item discussion discontinued status threads. Show me where that balanced risk is that balances out that gain potential.

Don't be ignorant. It's absolutely true that this potential is unbalanced. Not to mention it isn't necessary. Partyhats are the endgame. Most expensive rares in the game. Naturally they are goals to work for.

They are not supposed to be as profitable or more profitable than the highest tier bossing which takes skill. But they are. And for what? To make Partyhat owners the most likely to buy more Partyhats? So the merchant hoarders can just own them all and monopolize them? No thanks.

I support increasing the supply to rebalance them. I support the absolute richest people taking a small hit to expand the purpose of the item set.

If they are truly skilled enough to reach that point, they can do it without Partyhats being their overpowered tool to use in buying more Partyhats. Partyhats will still be traded as the endgame of rares, but you are ignoring the balance of risk/reward entirely. And really being desperate to defend one items past, when it can be made better for the future.

I already said my suggestion can literally guarantee any desired result.
And I told you how. You haven't debunked it yet.
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22-Nov-2018 17:46:50 - Last edited on 22-Nov-2018 17:48:12 by Whatusaytome

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