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Turksta
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Cupboard said:
- To further specify, I meant your statement "They can't, they're all just talk with no proper reasoning." This is simply untrue. Plenty of people have offered examples, you guys just refuse the answer. I personally don't feel obligated to sit here and teach you basic economics.

- Just because someone gives up an argument before you does not mean you have a stronger argument. It means you have the harder head.

- I'll give you this one, Jagex has been unpredictable in the past w/ free trade, wildy, etc.

- I'm not being elitist. Once again you twist my words. Let me rephrase it for you.
By working hard and remaining dedicated I was able to obtain a partyhat. To be clear, I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else, I'm saying that I actually put in the work. It didn't take a thread or treasure hunter to get me where I am.

To be honest tho, predicting how partyhats will affect the economy is useless, bcos nobody can be certain - they can jump into conclusions or hypothesize this will happen but unless it actually happens theres no way of really knowing. So ppl shouldn't outrighy say it will destroy the economy because tbh for the reasons some people have provided theyve proven its actually "better" for the economy.
Stronger arguments : ok u can think that w/e i still think the reason people stop replying is because they know i provide a better argument.
So have i i've also worked hard but sooner or later the prices just reach a ridiculous amount and those rich hoarders or pretty much the creators of the partyhat prices get unfair advantages and its simply not fair tbh. You mightve gotten ur partyhat when it was 1-3b but eventually if all partyhats are above 15b can u realistically expect a player to not rwt or spend real life money to obtain it? Again this links with the bad habits e.g rwt.

09-Apr-2017 16:14:39

Kalea Sprite
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Turksta said:
Cupboard said:
... Plenty of people have offered examples, you guys just refuse the answer. I personally don't feel obligated to sit here and teach you basic economics....
...To be honest tho, predicting how partyhats will affect the economy is useless, bcos nobody can be certain - they can jump into conclusions or hypothesize this will happen but unless it actually happens theres no way of really knowing. So ppl shouldn't outrighy say it will destroy the economy because tbh for the reasons some people have provided theyve proven its actually "better" for the economy....
Agreed, economics is not a crystal ball that can all out predict the future.

"...in its broadest sense, 'The economy is defined as a social domain that emphasizes the practices, discourses, and material expressions associated with the production, use, and management of resources' ..."

If anyone is interested, they are welcome to look back through the thread to see that the discussion in favour of partyhats on Treasure Hunter has answered and replied to the debates that have arisen. Specifically, increasing the supply of partyhats will make the price of the item more competitive, its price will collapse but, it has been shown that the economy will strengthen because more people will be able to participate in the partyhat market.

Consider, the collapse of the mint cake market, the crashing prices of godswords or the dragon chainbody, or even the wide ranging fluctuation over the course of a BXPW, none of these events "destroyed" the economy because it's still here, people are still buying and selling the very same things that experienced the most intense price fluctuations.

Generally, as more people are able to enjoy the material expressions of the social domain, the economy will grow and strengthen. Thus, increasing the supply of partyhats via Treasure Hunter will strengthen the economy.
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09-Apr-2017 17:57:17

Kalea Sprite
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Dong U Dead said:
We don't want to devalue it's worth and I am not talking money here, but status!
Zyphix said:
It's really not complicated.
Indeed, it's really not complicated to understand that the partyhats' status as a fun holiday cosmetic will be strengthend as the supply increases because more people will be able to enjoy the partyhats. As more people are able to party with the partyhats, the spirit of the game increases, strengthening the economy, and the status of the partyhat as the symbol of fun and good times with friends old and new is also fortified and enhanced!!! :D

Jokku23 said:
@Everyone who thinks this is not good for the economy:
Please elaborate why. Will the G.E. suddenly break when partyhats start selling in G.E.? Or what is the reason?
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09-Apr-2017 18:04:06 - Last edited on 09-Apr-2017 18:14:08 by Kalea Sprite

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Turksta said:
Jokku23 said:

@Everyone who thinks this is not good for the economy:

Please elaborate why. Will the G.E. suddenly break when partyhats start selling in G.E.? Or what is the reason?

They can't, they're all just talk with no proper reasoning.

Seems like it!

If anyone can provide actual reasoning for their predictions, I'd be interested to hear, but meanwhile, calling other people a brick wall because they don't agree with your invalid predictions doesn't really increase your points. Cheers!

Zyphix said:
JUST ENABLE THE ABILITY FOR ALL P2P PLAYERS TO OBTAIN ANY/ALL CONTENT AS THEY WERE ALWAYS INTENDED AND SUPPOSED TO FOR BEING PAYING CUSTOMERS!

It's really not complicated. People can't enjoy games where you can't get everywhere, get anything somehow at all, at least eventually.

It's just... Stupid.

Support, yes? Cheers!

Cupboard said:
Say what you want Turksta, you're statement is simply untrue.

Your* 8)

Cupboard said:
At the end of the day, partyhats will never be released via Treasure hunter regardless what you three say, no matter how much you try to twist truths, words, and reason. I'm thankful for that. Non supporters have won, and time will prove that.

My clan would say different.
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09-Apr-2017 18:10:00

Shop_keeper
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Jokku23 said:
Blackbeard said:
What about the people who invested BILLIONS in rsgp on phats? Do they get compensated? Or is all there hard work flushed down the toilet?

They will learn that investing BILLIONS in paper hats was not a wise decision. This is good because then they will probably not make the same mistake again IRL!

True this. But there will also arise a trust issue with Jagex what is currently there with SOF rares. Why would my phats i bought in the past be released again. That's really a slap in the face of all old players.

But I do agree that the current market domination of the phats from a small group of players should be decreased. So i got a better solution.
You should sacrifice a amount of all discontinued items (for example 10 fish mask, 5 crab hat etc..) and a big amount of XP in exchange for a phat. That way it still needs a lot of effort, keeps expensive but will be more in reach of more players.
Or you should sacrifice a amount of discontinued items and XP to fight a special boss who has a rare change on dropping a phat.
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09-Apr-2017 18:17:15 - Last edited on 09-Apr-2017 18:21:45 by Shop_keeper

Kalea Sprite
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Shop_keeper said:
Jokku23 said:
Blackbeard said:
What about the people who invested BILLIONS in rsgp on phats? Do they get compensated? Or is all there hard work flushed down the toilet?

They will learn that investing BILLIONS in paper hats was not a wise decision. This is good because then they will probably not make the same mistake again IRL!

True this. But there will also arise a trust issue with Jagex what is currently there with SOF rares. Why would my phats i bought in the past be released again. That's really a slap in the face of all old players.

But I do agree that the current market domination of the phats from a small group of players should be decreased. So i got a better solution.
You should sacrifice a amount of all discontinued items (for example 10 fish mask, 5 crab hat etc..) and a big amount of XP in exchange for a phat. That way it still needs a lot of effort, keeps expensive but will be more in reach of more players.
Or you should sacrifice a amount of discontinued items and XP to fight a special boss who has a rare change on dropping a phat.
It's not clear to me why veterans of 15 years or more would feel this is a slap in the face. If you remember, the crackers were distributed freely, the only work that was required was to pick one up and pull it with a friend.

Sincerely, I don't disparage anyone who felt compelled, for one reason or another, to grind out billions of gold pieces for something that was practically given out for free. However, the market is unpredictable, and one only has to consider the mighty mint cake to recognize the risks.

Personally, I would support most solutions that would increase the supply of partyhats, including a replay of the 2001 event but, it just so happens that Partyhats on Treasure Hunter has a triple win combo effect. :D
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09-Apr-2017 19:02:36

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Shop_keeper said:
But I do agree that the current market domination of the phats from a small group of players should be decreased. So i got a better solution.
You should sacrifice a amount of all discontinued items (for example 10 fish mask, 5 crab hat etc..) and a big amount of XP in exchange for a phat. That way it still needs a lot of effort, keeps expensive but will be more in reach of more players.
Or you should sacrifice a amount of discontinued items and XP to fight a special boss who has a rare change on dropping a phat.

Cheers for your partial support! Cheers!
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09-Apr-2017 19:20:30

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09-Apr-2017 20:28:42 - Last edited on 09-Apr-2017 20:32:16 by Shop_keeper

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Kalea Sprite said:

It's not clear to me why veterans of 15 years or more would feel this is a slap in the face. If you remember, the crackers were distributed freely, the only work that was required was to pick one up and pull it with a friend.

Sincerely, I don't disparage anyone who felt compelled, for one reason or another, to grind out billions of gold pieces for something that was practically given out for free. However, the market is unpredictable, and one only has to consider the mighty mint cake to recognize the risks.

Personally, I would support most solutions that would increase the supply of partyhats, including a replay of the 2001 event but, it just so happens that Partyhats on Treasure Hunter has a triple win combo effect. :D

The party hat was been discontinued since it was free distributed for years. Little amount of players got it free. So you had to pay money to get one. That money went way too high because there were little phats and a huge demand. Some people just have it as investment because they believe it won't ever come back and would always rise in price. Destroying that market completely would ruin the fun for these people in the game and will cost some playerbase. They would think Jagex just destroyed their bank and in some way they are right.
Take a look to the gem items. People don't buy it because they think it will crash further. It's a self filling profecy. So you have to do those changes with a lot of care and thinking many lines further about possible conseqences.
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09-Apr-2017 20:30:30 - Last edited on 09-Apr-2017 20:32:59 by Shop_keeper

Kalea Sprite
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Shop_keeper said:
... Some people just have it as investment because they believe it won't ever come back and would always rise in price. Destroying that market completely would ruin the fun for these people in the game and will cost some playerbase. They would think Jagex just destroyed their bank and in some way they are right.
Take a look to the gem items. People don't buy it because they think it will crash further. It's a self filling profecy. So you have to do those changes with a lot of care and thinking many lines further about possible conseqences.
Who would have thought that mint cakes would crash, who would have thought that fire runes would skyrocket? What will happen to the mining and smithing markets with the upcoming updates?

Understandably, those that grinded billions of gold pieces for a paper hat might have some concerns about their investments, however all investments carry a certain amount of risk.

Especially in a game such as this where the markets are known to be unpredictable, one should also be very mindful and careful about what to invest in.

Whether it be game updates or pixelated investments, there are always risks.

In my opinion, updating the game to increase the supply of partyhats is worth the risk but, I am certainly open to the methods and manner by which the supply is increased.

All things considered this thread is a pretty good start towards increasing the supply :)
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09-Apr-2017 21:36:11

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