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Nex is Life
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T Olvana said:

I understand. However, it seems that I am some sort PKer magnet then. Every time go to lava strykewyrms I encounter at least one PKer. Once I was threatened by four to five PKers in 15 minutes! Every time I switched worlds just to be on hte safe side and another one appeared. Well, that is rare, of course. I don't know about you, but I tend to face people in the wilderness.

Yeah you're just a pker magnet. Nobody goes to the wilderness, it's dead, right?
You must just be unlucky to always run into pkers. What pkers? There are no pkers. Let's go to f2p clan wars and spend 15 hours killing each other with gravite starves.

01-Mar-2018 10:03:18

Zparanoid
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T Olvana said:
Zink 30 said:
T Olvana said:
I admit that wilderness doesn't have any more even nearly as much players as it used to have. However, I would not consider it dead. There are still people in wilderness. All kinds of players: PvMers, skillers and Pkers. No, there are not massive fights as there used to be (apart from very rare occasions), but does there need to be? I don't think wilderness needs to be bustling with players murdering each other. When I think of wilderness, I think of a large, charred, silent and threatning area with (some) killers roaming in there. The feeling when I go in to the wildy is that ominious feeling that somewhere might be someone or something that is coming for me. However, no one is seen for most of the part. It is that feeling of waiting.


I dont get the feeling anymore, not like I used too. Theres like 4 worlds with 2 people in the wilderness, out of 141? There is no threat. W2 has about 10 people, and w33 has about 10


I understand. However, it seems that I am some sort PKer magnet then. Every time go to lava strykewyrms I encounter at least one PKer. Once I was threatened by four to five PKers in 15 minutes! Every time I switched worlds just to be on hte safe side and another one appeared. Well, that is rare, of course. I don't know about you, but I tend to face people in the wilderness.


Sounds like you could have been getting followed. Private chat on? In an open FC or CC or Group? Wildy can be a leaky place sometimes.

05-Mar-2018 21:19:38

T Olvana
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Zparanoid I don't think I was followed, since I think I closed everything that could have been tracked by Pkers. Besides, every Pker I encountered was different person, not the same one. Though, I admit it is possible that they were working as a group and somehow managed to follow me.

06-Mar-2018 08:42:15

Rifleavenger

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Nex is Life said:
T Olvana said:

I understand. However, it seems that I am some sort PKer magnet then. Every time go to lava strykewyrms I encounter at least one PKer. Once I was threatened by four to five PKers in 15 minutes! Every time I switched worlds just to be on hte safe side and another one appeared. Well, that is rare, of course. I don't know about you, but I tend to face people in the wilderness.

Yeah you're just a pker magnet. Nobody goes to the wilderness, it's dead, right?
You must just be unlucky to always run into pkers. What pkers? There are no pkers. Let's go to f2p clan wars and spend 15 hours killing each other with gravite starves.
The wilderness isn't empty, but it certainly isn't packed.

Honestly, as far as skilling is concerned, the Wilderness is actually in a pretty good place.
Just depopulated enough so that you'll only see pkers on some trips or every half hour/hour/few hours. PKing wise, it's also hit or miss as to whether you'll actually run across someone worthwhile to kill/fight, but you will find people.

Frankly, if the population were just a little higher, I'd actually be content.

As to EoC itself, I actually quite like it. It offers additional complexity and the possibility (though not necessarily delivery) of greater depth. I like 1 vs 1 PvP in EoC far more than OSRS's "inventory management clicker."

My biggest gripe with it is that it is a little ill-suited to the base game. The base game is a point and click adventure, that's why it had point and click combat. If Jagex had actually swapped Runescape over to tab-targeting and WASD to fit the movement style of the games they ripped the combat mechanics from it'd fit better. Of course, doing so was and is likely impossible without rebuilding the game from the ground up.

18-Mar-2018 07:48:51

Ironman Hate
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I do not like the Evolution of Combat system, I don't believe I ever will. I play on Legacy mode, but it's nothing like the original combat system. I feel like if Evolution of Combat was removed, RuneScape 3 would be rejuvenated in many ways. Right now, RuneScape 3 is seeing such a dead community and overall, I feel like the game is dying.

Then again, it just might be RuneScape itself dying.

28-Mar-2018 20:32:44

T Olvana
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Ironman Hate said:
I do not like the Evolution of Combat system, I don't believe I ever will. I play on Legacy mode, but it's nothing like the original combat system. I feel like if Evolution of Combat was removed, RuneScape 3 would be rejuvenated in many ways. Right now, RuneScape 3 is seeing such a dead community and overall, I feel like the game is dying.

Then again, it just might be RuneScape itself dying.


I think removing EoC might harm PvMing too much. Pretty much all bosses released after EoC would need to be tweaked to match the old system. While it is possible to defeat any boss in the game with Legacy mode, they are still made for EoC.

30-Mar-2018 10:41:26

El Powerful

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My opinion:

EOC is the lousiest combat system ever implemented in a game.

Reasons:

- It destroyed PVP (whih removed a significant part of the playerbase)

- I dislike button mashing and dislike the idea of abilities. Completely random to implement onto RS and stolen from other games (I think it was Guild Wars 2 and a bunch of others).

- over complicated combat (the combat triangle rebalance was good, not talking about that) but rather the number of abilities and which to use at what time etc. Goodluck getting that implemented onto other platforms (next reason below).

-EoC will be difficult to implement onto mobile or other platforms - old combat system/legacy is superior in that regard.

- revolution = click and wait combat/legacy but with flashy abilities and more damage. Very lazy fix and shows that the pplayer base didnt like the button mashing either.

- I actually also dislke that it is very flashy/cartoon ish

01-Apr-2018 04:40:40 - Last edited on 01-Apr-2018 04:48:03 by El Powerful

T Olvana
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El Powerful said:

- It destroyed PVP (whih removed a significant part of the playerbase)


This is one of the most common reasons I see for being against EoC. Could you please tell us a little more presicely what how EoC exactly ruined PvP?

01-Apr-2018 07:44:59 - Last edited on 01-Apr-2018 07:45:23 by T Olvana

Yaaami

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T Olvana said:
El Powerful said:

- It destroyed PVP (whih removed a significant part of the playerbase)


This is one of the most common reasons I see for being against EoC. Could you please tell us a little more presicely what how EoC exactly ruined PvP?


I made a post of this on another similar thread moments ago, but the points are well covered:

"Many people here are missing our argument that EOC is optimal enough to do PVM activities with, but not optimal enough to make PVP objectively enjoyable. As a former rated swtor PVP player and pre-EOC pker, I can genuinely say that EOC lacks the "depth" that many other games have that make their PVP aspect truly enjoyable. Some number of players may enjoy EOC PVP, but the claim for many that don't is simply that EOC PVP wasn't well done enough for us to keep playing the game.

It is crucial that Jagex takes this matter more seriously, because half of the population of a successful MMO's community will consist of PVP players. Unless, something goes wrong. Why do you think this game is gradually dropping in player count? It's not even the bots. EOC desperately needs more attention, in the right way, from the people with the right kind of knowledge and skills."
05 veteran. Maxed. Inactive as of 2015 because EOC remains unoptimal for PVP. I support the health of your game!
Jagex please hire wow/swtor rated PVP players to optimize your EOC. Just do it. Please. Good combat system = popular game, successful business.
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01-Apr-2018 19:29:49 - Last edited on 01-Apr-2018 19:33:59 by Yaaami

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