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PieBoy
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Considering PoES is the new best in game pick, it feels incredibly underwhelming.
Put it side by side with the elder rune+5 pick, then make these comparisons:

Monetary value - Sure the elder rune pick atm is very expensive but the update has only been out a short time. So give or take a few months, you can argue that they will be similar cost, i.e. the dragon pick to make the crystal pick and the 1m blast fusion hammer.
Quest & Skill reqs - Well the elder rune only has a couple of skill reqs to use. Whereas the PoES takes 3 grandmaster quests, a total of 130 att & str lvls, plus various other med-high stats which automatically rules it out for skilling pures.
Grinding time - Once again, the elder rune pick has no grind time to obtain unless you're making it yourself, which even so only amounts to a few hours. PoES takes days, considering the time spent in the lava flow mine, time grinding out harmonic dust and, referring to the previous point, the time grinding out quests and skills.

I really think that it needs some sort of additional perks. If you had spent all the time grinding out the anima orbs for Staff of sliske and at the end of it found it was just marginally better, if not arguably the same as a noxious staff, you'd feel that you had wasted your time obtaining this "best in game" item.

I love this update as a whole; Mining is much less tedious and sociable now, just as fishing can be. And smithing feels much more interactive, pieces feel more valuable and theres a greater sense of achievement.
However, as with any new content there are bits to be tweaked and modified, and as per my gameplay since the update dropped, this is something that has stood out to me in particular.

As to how specifically it could be improved, that is another conversation. But I am keen to see if anyone feels the same as I do.

29-Jan-2019 11:50:01

Steelweaver
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Pickaxe of Earth and Song is the only augmentable T90 pickaxe. With the proper perks, it pulls far ahead of the ER+5 Pickaxe.

If it's not worth the time investment to you, don't get it. Simple.

I wouldn't mind a buff, but don't think it's needed.
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29-Jan-2019 17:40:59

PieBoy
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I actually had all the components before the update, so I was ready to make it when the new content dropped.

As a result, the time and effort I HAD put in doesn't feel justified.

Arguing the fact it is augmentable is neither here nor there, considering the amount of time and money that not only goes into training all four skills but the money spent on components.

You consider all of the requirements to unlock Priff and the rewards and content as a result, then compare that to the requirements for PoES, and tell me that it doesn't feel a bit underwhelming?

30-Jan-2019 16:55:04

Rikornak
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No it doesn't - it is the best pickaxe currently - as long as you're ready to make use of its potential. You can more than double you base geode chance, you can add a 10 % chance to gain double ores - and xp. If that isn't worth it to you, just use elder rune. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

30-Jan-2019 19:24:56 - Last edited on 30-Jan-2019 19:27:01 by Rikornak

PieBoy
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Again, you are ignoring all of the other requirements to obtain this pickaxe, as well as assuming that the player has invention unlocked as well as the levels/components to make the most of the fact it is augmentable.
Your argument isn't justifying the stats of the pickaxe because it is entirely conditional of the player.
The best pickaxe in game is equivalent to the next best, despite all those additional hours, investments etc. UNLESS you have the relevant Invention levels.
You look at masterwork armour, which is gated in a similar way. You need the smithing and defence levels, time spent mining ores or money to fund them and if making trimmed/custom fitted then the skills and ability to either PvM for the energy or the skills to fund it.
Then as a result you have an armour which is by far the best in game. And so it should be!
So why then does the pickaxe not follow the same line, when it arguably takes even LONGER to obtain?

01-Feb-2019 13:57:36

Rikornak
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Even if you do not have invention available - but honestly: Somebody who is able to lay their hands on a pick of earth and song shouldn't be too far away - it isn't worse than elder rune+5. If you got the invention level you can more than double your geode output (you know 6 percentage points more compared to the 5 you have by default), you can simply add a 10 % chance on double or and xp. You can level invention while mining. If you want to use it's potential it is noticably better than elder rune, if you don't can't - or do not want - it's at least equal.

If you do not feel like it is worth using E&S - just don't get it, make somebody happy and buy his elder rune pick and use that one - it's probably the better solution for players like you. Since you already got it - just use it.
Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

01-Feb-2019 19:15:58 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2019 19:28:27 by Rikornak

PieBoy
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Players like me?

Saying a best in game item is "at least as good as" the next is a hollow statement. Being as good as the next is surely a given? It should be BETTER, unconditionally.
I agree, when it is fitted with the right perks it does a fantastic job - but, this is conditional, and to me that doesn't say "best in game".
I'm making my set of masterwork at the moment, and it has taken a very long time to mine the ores, smelt the bars, fold the bars, etc. And I expected that, because what you put in is surely what you get out, and I know that the result is going to be a set of Armour which is better than anything else I could or could not afford.

I'm not asking for the thing to shoot lasers or one hit animica rocks - I think it should stand out, and making it augmentable does not make it stand out.

06-Feb-2019 19:48:27

Rikornak
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PieBoy said:


Saying a best in game item is "at least as good as" the next is a hollow statement. Being as good as the next is surely a given? It should be BETTER, unconditionally.
I agree, when it is fitted with the right perks it does a fantastic job - but, this is conditional, and to me that doesn't say "best in game".


If you do not want to use its potential, you really shouldn't gripe about it being just as good as something that has no more potential to tap into. Even if you just toolbelt it it still is the best in game - unless of course you find something, which would do a better job from your toolbelt. Just because it has to share rank 1 with something else, doesn't make it worse than something being ranked as the best pickaxe there is.
Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

06-Feb-2019 19:56:29 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2019 20:05:09 by Rikornak

Darkmaster_b
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Support. Your detractor is doing a great job of purposely disagreeing with you for the sake of disagreeing. It doesn't pull "far ahead of the ERP+5." This person is using hyperbole for the sake of making up a counter point to yours. +10% chance to double an ore and +6% chance for a geode compared to the cost in time.

3 Grand Master quests
--All prerequisite quests
---All skills leveled to do those quests
----All items and money earned to buy / farm for and use the equipment to complete combat

Needing to have high enough invention to make use of the best components to get the best augmented stats.
-All the millions of GP in items and many hours to level invention
--The millions of GP in items for components at a hope of getting the highest level gizmos

The minimum of 6 hours to get all gold mining suit pieces to get the dragon pic to trim it.
-The Dragon pic costing millions of gold

The crystal pic
-Millions of gold for yet a second dragon pic
--Hours of playing harp for the harmonic dust.

The minor benefit of the E&S pic being augmentable is LAUGHABLE compared to what it takes to make one. Anyone with even the smallest brain could make a rational comparison of cost vs reward here and see the E&S pic is woefully lacking. Any argument counter to this just doesn't justify it. They're just boot lickers that worship the ground Jagex walks on.

07-Feb-2019 13:52:07 - Last edited on 07-Feb-2019 13:56:10 by Darkmaster_b

PieBoy
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Rikornak said:
PieBoy said:


Saying a best in game item is "at least as good as" the next is a hollow statement. Being as good as the next is surely a given? It should be BETTER, unconditionally.
I agree, when it is fitted with the right perks it does a fantastic job - but, this is conditional, and to me that doesn't say "best in game".


If you do not want to use its potential, you really shouldn't gripe about it being just as good as something that has no more potential to tap into. Even if you just toolbelt it it still is the best in game - unless of course you find something, which would do a better job from your toolbelt. Just because it has to share rank 1 with something else, doesn't make it worse than something being ranked as the best pickaxe there is.


Despite quoting my response you have replied without acknowledging that I have equipped it with perks and that I have agreed that it does perform well compared to the previous tiers.

However, as I have also stated and which you have not addressed, for the requirements of this pickaxe to be so many when the benefits are so few, to me is not a valuable investment.

These requirements are detailed nicely in the above post by Darkmaster_b.

07-Feb-2019 18:49:48

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