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Azunai
Nov Member 2018

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Because, as you already know, they suck. Worthless and when you get them 5 times in a row from Nex, you would say the same as me.
But if they can make them better to have higher price, I wouldn't mind them.
And it's not the first time I get them more than 3 times in a row for drop.
Never lucky.

15-Feb-2019 06:31:47

Rikornak
Oct Gold Premier Club Member 2013

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It isn't that hard to fix them:

- Allow them to be disassembled for a single spiritual part or imbued component each - both materials with a fairly limited amount of sources available right now. Higher levelled ones give less junk, but that should mostly help medium levelled ones (I doubt they would become so cheap players start disassembling necrite and higher levelled ones)
- Allow them to be alched for 80 % of the value of the fitting ore.
- Have them grant xp on top of the extra ore - doesn't need to be double, but let's say 20 % - you currently do not want to have them with you if your aim is getting xp, since you need to bank more often (unless you're afking with a perfect plus of course). If you were to get more xp it suddenly is a must-have for every xp focused miner.
- Have monsters drop adequate spirits. As simple as that. If not every piece of content that granted runite ores and/or bars were to award runite spirits even those would be worth more.

That should obviously be better than a 'they suck and I can't find a way to fix it, so it should be removed'. It really might not hurt to replace a few (not all, but basically the stuff that was a bar before - just as they did for metal dragons) by salvage though. Yes I know it sucks to defeat something high levelled and getting a stack of adamant, runite, gold or coal spirits for that - but that can be fixed.

Think a step further - if they're able to fix this, they could relocate more direct resource influx reasonably to the gathering skills, instead of having the next fiasco if we were to get the next skill-combo-rework and starting over again with the new worthless kind of spirit (no matter if it's wooden, herby or whatever)
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15-Feb-2019 07:13:16 - Last edited on 15-Feb-2019 07:24:52 by Rikornak

Azunai
Nov Member 2018

Azunai

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Yeah, I was really pissed when I posted that. But now I'm chill and you are 100% right. They should make some changes like you said, then it wouldn't be so bad getting them. Never lucky.

15-Feb-2019 13:45:28

DabCityR4B1T
Sep Gold Premier Club Member 2018

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stone spirits are nice for mining if you use a grace of the elves or porters. it gives you 2 ores for 1 port, so if you power mine you can get 2k+ ores per trip with stone spirits in the amount of time it takes you to get 1k of them... sure thats still like 6 hrs for animica and like 4 hrs for banite but other ores are alot faster.
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17-Feb-2019 22:35:31

Draco Burnz
Dec Gold Premier Club Member 2011

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Rikornak said:
It isn't that hard to fix them:

- Allow them to be disassembled for a single spiritual part or imbued component each - both materials with a fairly limited amount of sources available right now. Higher levelled ones give less junk, but that should mostly help medium levelled ones (I doubt they would become so cheap players start disassembling necrite and higher levelled ones)
- Allow them to be alched for 80 % of the value of the fitting ore.
- Have them grant xp on top of the extra ore - doesn't need to be double, but let's say 20 % - you currently do not want to have them with you if your aim is getting xp, since you need to bank more often (unless you're afking with a perfect plus of course). If you were to get more xp it suddenly is a must-have for every xp focused miner.
- Have monsters drop adequate spirits. As simple as that. If not every piece of content that granted runite ores and/or bars were to award runite spirits even those would be worth more.

That should obviously be better than a 'they suck and I can't find a way to fix it, so it should be removed'. It really might not hurt to replace a few (not all, but basically the stuff that was a bar before - just as they did for metal dragons) by salvage though. Yes I know it sucks to defeat something high levelled and getting a stack of adamant, runite, gold or coal spirits for that - but that can be fixed.

Think a step further - if they're able to fix this, they could relocate more direct resource influx reasonably to the gathering skills, instead of having the next fiasco if we were to get the next skill-combo-rework and starting over again with the new worthless kind of spirit (no matter if it's wooden, herby or whatever)


Well said.
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18-Feb-2019 03:37:59

BusshyBrowss
Jul Gold Premier Club Member 2018

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Honestly, sometimes when something enters the game and its trash, it's best to just remove it instead of trying to fix it. Fixing it cost time and money. Some ideas are good and bad. Accept the fact it was a bad idea and scrap it. It doesnt need to be in the game.

15-Mar-2019 05:12:17

Peaky

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Yeah, I'm all for fixing things that are almost where they should be.

I'm not for Jagex wasting time and money fixing something that is flat-out terrible and wholly unnecessary.

Thing is, I'm not even all that upset about Stone spirits being drops from bosses; I never boss, so it hardly matters to me. I just see them as entirely unnecessary items that only aid those who REALLY want to double their ore yields for a long period of time, and can afford to buy a very large quantity of Stone spirits.

The fact that most PvMers are pissed about getting Stone spirits instead of their rare, super valuable drops worth mils, is not the issue. Bosses should have low-value drops mixed in. As they always have. However, most players flat-out refuse to use them in the first place, and THAT is the issue here. They aren't saying "Oh, these could be good if Jagex made some changes". Instead, these players are making Stone spirit memes on the subreddit and asking for them to be completely removed, not only on the subreddit, but here as well, possibly even the twitch livestreams, etc(I wouldn't know; I never tune in).

Why fix something that almost nobody wants in the first place? They have already decided. They wrote off Stone spirits entirely. The only way for Jagex to get players to use these items, is for Stone spirits to be improved to the point of being blatantly overpowered. Otherwise, those players won't care in the slightest.

Some of the changes Rikornak proposed fits squarely into overpowered territory. The ability to buy a fat stack of an easily obtained consumable item that can give +20% xp per action is LUDICROUS. Keep in mind, non-elite skilling outfit sets give 5-6% extra xp maximum, and they are not as easy to come by. I appreciate the desire to find a solution aside from complete removal of Stone spirits, but I don't like the idea of Stone spirits becoming a "must-have". That is just as bad as wasting Item ID's on garbage.

Either remove them, or leave as is.
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15-Mar-2019 14:23:48

XSlay4DeathX
Mar Gold Premier Club Member 2007

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Support, Should just be removed. Why fix something that should of never been added to the game in the first place. @Nerf$cape


edit: Seems JaGeX Nerfed the spelling on Nerf*cape turing the 'S' to a *, think it looks much better with the dollar sign anyways, fits right in with the MTX :P

17-Mar-2019 16:46:42 - Last edited on 03-Apr-2019 06:01:21 by XSlay4DeathX

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