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Elf of Seren
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(I don’t make a lot of posts on the Lore Forum, so bear with me)


Newly Updated, because Mod Raven is better at asking questions than I am.


What values do you think the Queen holds dear? Also, what could her agenda be?

After much discussion with my Lore friends, the only theory that we can come to a consensus on is that maybe she enjoys Anarchy, or Rebellion, or maybe even Rebirth or something along those lines, in order to help attain previously unattainable hidden potential in various mortal races.

Since she was described by V- as being as devastating to worlds as Tuska, Bandos, and Xau-Tak, she really can't be trying to represent Rebirth… Can she? Maybe that’s the way she sees herself, "recruiting the downtrodden to her infernal cause”, and then overthrowing the ruling class with fire, leaving ashes in her wake, and expanding her realm of influence, that the Fallen Nihil insinuates to be rather large.

Finally, just for fun, how do you think she ascended? We had a fun idea that she discovered an Elder Artifact (that we named The Crucible) that had the power to create mass amounts of elements (since the other artifacts have to do with splitting, fusing, or duplicating them (for the most part) ), and she tuned it to create fire, or enhance her probably already present fire powers, to turn her homeworld to ash. Because of this extended amount of time that she has been growing her powers, and the amount of destruction she is believed to have caused, we imagined her to be at least tier 3, possibly 2.

Idk. Discuss below, what Tier do you think she is, race, significant powers, etc.

12-Nov-2016 05:49:47 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 01:35:58 by Elf of Seren

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I think that the Queen of Ashes came from Muspell and is an ascended Auspah. She may have showed the downtrodden a vision of heaven made from the multicoloured flames on Muspell, told them that this heaven could rise from the ashes, and her followers need never be humiliated again.

EDIT: As for a tier, I would say she's tier 4. It was probably sowing the seeds of rebellion and revolution rather than her actual power which destroyed the worlds she visited, or possibly wars with other gods.
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12-Nov-2016 13:58:12 - Last edited on 12-Nov-2016 14:01:07 by Ancient Drew

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I think she's the Goddess of Rebellion. Describing her followers as the "downtrodden", especially given the Fallen Nihil, seems to allow them a chance for a new purpose, especially by enacting justice against those who have wronged her followers.

12-Nov-2016 15:41:41

Hguoh
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I'd guess the goddess of revenge and retribution. She specifically targets the downtrodden (those who feel they have been wronged), and the one follower of hers we've met bears a strong grudge against its maker.

it also would fit with the QoA is Elidinis theory (with her personally seeking retribution for her husband's sacrifice). So I'd guess t5-t4 for the QoA tier.

12-Nov-2016 16:36:35 - Last edited on 12-Nov-2016 16:38:54 by Hguoh

Talonstalker
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Almost sounds like the Queen is a female version of Zamorak.

Inb4shereplaceszimzamonesjagexkillshimoff.

:/
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Hguoh said:
I'd guess the goddess of revenge and retribution. She specifically targets the downtrodden (those who feel they have been wronged), and the one follower of hers we've met bears a strong grudge against its maker.

it also would fit with the QoA is Elidinis theory (with her personally seeking retribution for her husband's sacrifice). So I'd guess t5-t4 for the QoA tier.


She could be even a higher tier (2-3) since we have seen her modify the life of that Nihil. I would say she is tier 3, since the god tier says that tier 3 can destroy stuff on a continental scale.
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12-Nov-2016 23:58:26

Hguoh
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Angof Cywir said:
Hguoh said:
I'd guess the goddess of revenge and retribution. She specifically targets the downtrodden (those who feel they have been wronged), and the one follower of hers we've met bears a strong grudge against its maker.

it also would fit with the QoA is Elidinis theory (with her personally seeking retribution for her husband's sacrifice). So I'd guess t5-t4 for the QoA tier.


She could be even a higher tier (2-3) since we have seen her modify the life of that Nihil. I would say she is tier 3, since the god tier says that tier 3 can destroy stuff on a continental scale.


Ah, but did she modify the nihil? The nihil simply tells us that it was redeemed by fire and was given a second chance at life. Given he tells us that the QoA accepted it as it was, I find it unlikely that she significantly altered it (at most infusing it with some of her power to give it sentience).

Maybe t3, but I'd rather the person appealing to the downtrodden to be at some degree of disadvantage to their peers (other gods) than have said person be on level footing with them.

13-Nov-2016 00:34:36

Padomenes

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Talonstalker said:
Almost sounds like the Queen is a female version of Zamorak.

Inb4shereplaceszimzamonesjagexkillshimoff.

:/
More like either a mix of Saradomin and Zamorak or Armadyl and him. Difference being that they are more orderly and 'bide their time' to plan out everything carefully with precision beforer carrying them out. Also they don't have that "the weak deserve to die" philosophy.

Our MMO has never gotten a proper "Chaotic-Good"-ish or "Anti-Hero" faction but here is one.

I wonder what is Tumeken's alignment going to be though next? And Xau-Tak's?
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13-Nov-2016 02:30:25 - Last edited on 13-Nov-2016 02:36:30 by Padomenes

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There's a bit of a flaw in the way you're phrasing this question. Our gods aren't exactly "the god of X" they are instead gods that hold certain values close.

Armadyl, for example, is referred to as the god of justice. But this doesn't mean he has any dominion of justice as a concept, nor is he empowered by it. He is, instead, an aviansie that has ascended and holds the concept of justice close to his ideology, much as any other leader has certain values as important to them.

Even Bandos, the big high war god, is referred to as that because he considers war to be the pinnacle of achievement and entertainment. He enjoyed war, he reveled in it, not because he embodied the concept, but because he thought it was good.

So to think of the Queen of Ashes as "the goddess of X" is going to lead you down a false path.

A better wording would be to think "what values does the Queen hold dear?" or "What is her agenda?".

Remember that our gods are ascended mortals, not (in most cases, there are exceptions) being born divine.

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