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Draco Burnz
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Saint Benjy said:
I don't know about you, but I actually did pick up ores dropped by monsters. I don't like spirits because they take up bank space; and you have to go out of your way to go mine stuff to consume them, forges are a bit easier to get to than an arbitrary mining patch.


Seems like you didnt read anything i said.

Dont like them, then just leave them on the ground.

Where is it said that just because you dont like a drop, it needs to be removed?:@
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02-Feb-2019 00:13:42 - Last edited on 02-Feb-2019 00:14:01 by Draco Burnz

Hexie Kazumi
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Draco Burnz said:
Saint Benjy said:
I don't know about you, but I actually did pick up ores dropped by monsters. I don't like spirits because they take up bank space; and you have to go out of your way to go mine stuff to consume them, forges are a bit easier to get to than an arbitrary mining patch.


Seems like you didnt read anything i said.

Dont like them, then just leave them on the ground.

Where is it said that just because you dont like a drop, it needs to be removed?:@



Seen you everywhere. let me explain.
When stone spirits are a common drop, and they're worth nothing, pvmers have a right to want some replacement. And really i think the issue is not the stone spirits period. If the drop were an appropriately levelled stone spirit maybe we wouldn't care as much. But instead t40 and t50 drops replaced t70 and t85 drops.

Lets talk about addy and rune because theyre the biggest issue here. An endgame material, with endgame value, and difficult to obtain outside of pvm, was replaced with an early game drop that is worthless to pretty much everyone.

Pvmers have a right to be annoyed that no adequate replacement was thought of. For some monsters ores were the main income. And when no adequate replacement for the main income was even conceived of, it's understandable to be frustrated.

04-Feb-2019 14:07:36

Draco Burnz
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Hexie Kazumi said:
Pvmers have a right to be annoyed that no adequate replacement was thought of. For some monsters ores were the main income. And when no adequate replacement for the main income was even conceived of, it's understandable to be frustrated.


Considering the m&s rework wasnt made with pvmers in mind..

No you dont have any right to complain.
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04-Feb-2019 20:28:57

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Hexie Kazumi said:
Pvmers have a right to be annoyed that no adequate replacement was thought of.

And skillers have been getting the short end of the stick for years, so many their money making methods have been ruined by adding resources to pvm drops. Now finally, something has changed in favour of skillers... and the pvmers whine non-stop.
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04-Feb-2019 23:05:05

Chaz 1
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@Draco log onto any world where people are mining and ask them if they think stone spirits should be changed in at least some way shape or form

Xp... components.. etc..

You are the only one who thinks they shouldn’t be changed
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05-Feb-2019 04:30:03

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Draco Burnz said:


Considering the m&s rework wasnt made with pvmers in mind..

No you dont have any right to complain.



This is a bit of a fallacy. While the M&S Rework wasn't made "For" PvMers, it was made with them "in mind."

If it had not been, we wouldn't have gotten stone spirits or salvage at all because both serve to devalue ore/metal, regardless of how little they currently effect it.

I find it hard to believe that someone honestly thinks no part of the rework had PvMers "in mind" when a solid 50% of the time on reveal streams was spent explaining what was being done to protect/mitigate damage to PvM drops after the rework.


I'm also a bit caught off guard by the fact that you use the phrase "No you dont have any right to complain." towards a person who pays actual money in order to play a game when they are voicing their opinions on the game. Not every complaint/compliment will match your opinions; that doesn't mean the holders of those opinions have no right to express them. People who spout nonsense like that are the reason we get games that stagnate and die off because no one can handle the criticism levied at the product.

I can only imagine your response if you went to a restaurant and ordered a steak advertised as Medium Rare and it came out charred, and when you complained, the waiter said "Ohh that's what we consider medium rare. It wasn't designed with you in mind, it was designed for customers who like their food thoroughly cooked. You have no right to complain." I wonder if you would pay for that meal. Stone spirits were advertised to as as something that would protect drop values, or at least mitigate the damage, however most of them are actually worthless. PvMers were promised one thing and given another.
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05-Feb-2019 05:23:43 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2019 13:51:27 by Lelouch Vi B

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I don't think that stone spirits should exist. Removing ores from drop tables was a huge mistake in my book.


I dont think ores should be on any drop tables.

Removing them was one of the best choices IMO.

Plus if you dont like the spirits, just ignore them.

Dont see how thats so hard to do considering ppl have been doing it pre spirits?:@
They are a wasted item drop and are worthless. They should be something more expensive consindering the high level content, but I guess that won't happen. How about this for a solution.

Solution:
An NPC to trade X amount of stone spirits for actual ores of the specific tier.
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Hexie Kazumi
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UrekMazino said:
Hexie Kazumi said:
Pvmers have a right to be annoyed that no adequate replacement was thought of.

And skillers have been getting the short end of the stick for years, so many their money making methods have been ruined by adding resources to pvm drops. Now finally, something has changed in favour of skillers... and the pvmers whine non-stop.


You are making this a question of us and them. There's no reason why pvmers couldn't have been protected while also making things better for skilling. In fact, jagex had intented to do as little as possible to pvm. Jagex's official position has always been, and probably will always be, that ultimately pvm should make more money, because we can you know, die. It also costs us money to fight higher bosses while also risking losing our investment. PvM should make more

On the other side, absolutely skilling needed some help. Because while pvm should be profitable, the main source of skilling resources should be, well, skilling. I agree with this. But due to how much income in pvm came from ores, they needed to protect that. And they certainly intended to do so. Jagex wanted to help skilling without hurting pvm. they failed on that second charge, when they were talking a lot about their desire to make sure we didn't take, I don't know, a massive loss to profits.

I've done math and this is absolutely the case with some monsters. Out of 169 celestial dragon kills, 17% of my kills were worthless. Addy stone spirits (4) replaced Noted Adamantite Ore (4). Addy spirits are worth a whopping 94% less than the average price of Addy Ore before the update. When 17% of your drops are worth 94% less, that's a major tank.

As I pvm, I will be tracking exactly how my income has been bonged by this. The biggest thing at hand is not pvm vs skillers. It's a case of jagex saying that pvm would be fine and pvm isn't fine.

07-Feb-2019 04:19:55 - Last edited on 07-Feb-2019 10:17:26 by Hexie Kazumi

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