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Before we begin, let me get this straight: I don't like Treasure Hunter. It destroyed the game and our community. But let's put this aside for a second and discuss the Loot Duels promotion.

Loot Duels is actually a very clever promotion, and here's why.

Firstly, and most importantly, Loot Duels gives players choice. Not an illusion of choice that you get on Treasure Hunter every day. The five regular chests that you can choose between? We all know that behind this there's no difference whatsoever, clicking each of them would give the same result. They're hooked to the same loot table, or "fortune wheel" if you wish. The promotions with grid maps which are all reskinned variants of the same thing are also predetermined. Loot Duels is the first promotion where the player's choice really matters. You get distinct drop tables behind every chest and get to choose between them for every key.

Secondly, Loot Duels brings immense variety to Treasure Hunter. We get access to most major promotions at the same time. Having protean chest, antique chest, and the multiplier chests appear at the same time keeps things fresh and interesting.

Thirdly, Loot Duels isn't overpowered compared to other promotions. It's the prismanias and lamp-focused promotions that are the worst offenders when it comes to flooding the game with free experience. Loot Duels adds the variety of different lamps but dilutes the pool of prizes with multipliers, cosmetics, and supplies. The ratio of different prizes is something Jagex can balance on their end, and they can do it much more easily during Loot Duels than, for example, the smouldering lamp promotion which is simply ridiculous.

In closing, although I'm not a fan of Treasure Hunter, I must admit that this promotion isn't as bad as the others. It seems the monetisation team at Jagex have used their heads for once. Good job, and I hope we'll see Loot Duels again in the future.
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26-Dec-2018 12:57:14

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I'm ashamed I have to, in a way, actually praise a TH promo for not being idiotic, but these are the sad days we live in.
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26-Dec-2018 13:01:10

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Before I talk about the loot duels promo, I'd just like to say that as a whole, your post makes no sense: do you, or do you not like TH? At first you say you don't, but later you praise Jagex for doing a good job with one of its promos and hope to see it again in the future. It looks like you don't actually know what you like.

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I'm ashamed I have to, in a way, actually praise a TH promo for not being idiotic, but these are the sad days we live in.


Who or what is forcing you to praise a TH promo? Is someone paying you to do it as your job? If you have free will, you don't have to randomly lower your standards.

If you actually disliked TH, you'd want it gone no matter what Jagex tried to "improve" it. That's because Solomon's store exists, which will always be more consumer-friendly than TH, unless TH became Solomon's store, at which point TH might as well be removed anyway, since it'd be redundant to have 2 identical shops like that.

Now, about loot duels and "player choice", the "choice" that loot duels offers isn't done for our (players) benefit, it's one of those experiments that Jagex is doing in preparation of some countries having begun investigations on regulating loot box systems like TH. Otherwise, if Jagex truly cared about us, they'd let us choose without RNG at all, such as with Solomon's store.

Loot duels isn't exactly the first promo like this either; clairvoyance for example did something like this already in the past. Not the exact same thing, but similar.
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26-Dec-2018 14:03:14

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Blackwing said:
Before I talk about the loot duels promo, I'd just like to say that as a whole, your post makes no sense: do you, or do you not like TH? At first you say you don't, but later you praise Jagex for doing a good job with one of its promos and hope to see it again in the future. It looks like you don't actually know what you like.


No, I don't like Treasure Hunter but it's not going anywhere and this is the economic reality we have to live in. I'm not sure you understand that.

The stream of promotions is constant and many of them are harmful to integrity of the game. I might as well praise a promotion that's done right instead of criticising Treasure Hunter as a whole because that's been done thousands of times and resulted in absolutely nothing. What I'm saying is I'd prefer to see Loot Duels instead of some other ridiculous promotions. That's the point of my feedback.

I don't "lower my standards" in any way by saying that I like a small part of a larger thing I don't like overall.
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26-Dec-2018 19:00:30

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We get xp items on TH very likely because players want them. It is not just TH, but also the same case in other RNG based game features, even Clue Scrolls. Why do Jagex add xp stars to Clue Scrolls? To me it is really obvious because players want them.

If there were no xp items on TH, it could be really really worse. Perhaps we can see from how bad the reaction of the Red Death Redemption Online beta so far because they have not put loot boxes there yet. Instead of loot boxes like in GTA Online, Take Two is experimenting xp buffs selling for real money. As expected, most players are crying even louder now because loot boxes are optional with nice to have but not mandatory stuff but now they are forced to pay real money or lack way way behind the spenders.

Same thing will absolutely happen with Jagex if there was no TH. I am sure they will have to sell xp items and buffs for runecoins or Jcoins directly and... don't forget unlike TH keys, runecoins and Jcoins won't drop in game. :(

26-Dec-2018 23:24:26

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Immortalized said:
you get stars from clues likely as a way to allow ironmen to get them, not because anyone actually asked jagex to add it to the drop table


Ironman don't want xp boost items. Otherwise, why don't Jagex let ironman get lamps and stars from TH?

26-Dec-2018 23:51:30

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Dilbert2001 said:
Immortalized said:
you get stars from clues likely as a way to allow ironmen to get them, not because anyone actually asked jagex to add it to the drop table


Ironman don't want xp boost items. Otherwise, why don't Jagex let ironman get lamps and stars from TH?

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27-Dec-2018 19:13:38

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No, I don't like Treasure Hunter but it's not going anywhere and this is the economic reality we have to live in. I'm not sure you understand that.

In "economic reality", if enough many people don't buy something, said something will become unprofitable and a company with brains will change something to fix that. One common change, when you're selling multiple products and one of them becomes unprofitable, is to just stop producing the unprofitable product. In this case, Jagex could easily remove TH, as it's just code that can be taken out from the release build of the game.

Whether or not enough many people will stop accepting bad practices like TH is another question, but there's always a chance. Morale is one factor: the more people you have not accepting those practices, the more people will be convinced to do the same. If you give up, the same can happen in a respective chain.

Just saying, if you aim to keep playing, you shouldn't give up.


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The stream of promotions is constant and many of them are harmful to integrity of the game. I might as well praise a promotion that's done right instead of criticising Treasure Hunter as a whole because that's been done thousands of times and resulted in absolutely nothing. What I'm saying is I'd prefer to see Loot Duels instead of some other ridiculous promotions. That's the point of my feedback.

Again, are you implying that loot duels isn't a harmful promo to the game's integrity? It's still handing out a plethora of exp, isn't it? Even if it was less harmful to the game, it's still very much harmful to the game, and has no place in it. How can something harmful to the game be something that has "been done right"? It makes no sense, you've just given up, which is something that Jagex expected you to do. Prove them wrong and don't give up, that's how real changes are made, even if it takes long.
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27-Dec-2018 19:28:15

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