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No support, part of the reason why people acquire pets is because others can see them, so it'd be unfair for them to not be able show them to everyone around them. If you don't like company like that, you can hop worlds and/or switch locations (where applicable).

Additionally, it'd clutter the options interface even further (K.I.S.S.) and add extra work to QA to ensure that the game works with both it toggled on and off.
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01-Nov-2018 10:40:12 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2018 10:46:13 by Blackwing

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Dr Goldfire said:
Also consider the weigh of the arguments: lust for showing off vs delivering unpleasant experience to others

Adding another option to a mess of options would do just that: deliver an unpleasant experience to others. The amount of toggles and other unnecessary options is already too high, and making it worse would be, well, even worse, surprisingly. Not to mention that because some pets are purchased with real money, people have already bought them under the premise that everyone will see them.
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01-Nov-2018 10:51:40

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Dr Goldfire said:
Blackwing said:
Dr Goldfire said:
Also consider the weigh of the arguments: lust for showing off vs delivering unpleasant experience to others

Adding another option to a mess of options would do just that: deliver an unpleasant experience to others. The amount of toggles and other unnecessary options is already too high, and making it worse would be, well, even worse, surprisingly. Not to mention that because some pets are purchased with real money, people have already bought them under the premise that everyone will see them.


That's just your opinion. I think benefits would greatly outweigh possible cons.

Naturally you'd think that, but given your lack of arguments to support it, it's quite clear that you're thinking like that out of personal bias to wanting it, rather than having considered the bigger picture.
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01-Nov-2018 11:10:46

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Dr Goldfire said:
Blackwing said:
Dr Goldfire said:
Blackwing said:
Dr Goldfire said:
Also consider the weigh of the arguments: lust for showing off vs delivering unpleasant experience to others

Adding another option to a mess of options would do just that: deliver an unpleasant experience to others. The amount of toggles and other unnecessary options is already too high, and making it worse would be, well, even worse, surprisingly. Not to mention that because some pets are purchased with real money, people have already bought them under the premise that everyone will see them.


That's just your opinion. I think benefits would greatly outweigh possible cons.

Naturally you'd think that, but given your lack of arguments to support it, it's quite clear that you're thinking like that out of personal bias to wanting it, rather than having considered the bigger picture.


I suppose that the arguments given above are sufficient to comprehend. Believe or not, should Jagex ask it in some kind of poll more than 75% players would support this idea. Drakes are just annoying to majority.

What do you base this claim on? I very much doubt you have a big enough sample size to believe that it'd pass without question, so yeah, not going to believe you.

Besides, even if you were right, game integrity is something that ignores popularity when considered. When adding something like this to the game, first you should consider whether it's good for the game, and only then how wanted it is. As explained, it'd clutter the options menu to be even worse, and some players' buying decision on the pets was influenced by the fact that they knew everyone would see them. Intolerance isn't really good enough of a reason to change that IMO.
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01-Nov-2018 13:53:42

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Dr Goldfire said:
When there are polls in OSRS, vast majority of questions dealing with additional options end up at 80% or above. If Jagex gives players a possibility "to toggle something" (or to be able to choose as they play) there is literally no reason to refuse it or if so, it is mostly only negligible.

Examples would be appreciated, although mind you that toggles that actually affect gameplay aren't the same as toggles that are "cosmetic" (visual), the latter being the toggle you're after here.

If we started adding everything people want under the premise that "well you can just toggle it", things would get ridiculous very quickly; someone could request a toggle to display dyes because they don't like rich people showing their wealth, another to toggle displaying all other players because they want to live inside their bubble alone, third to toggle helmets because they don't like how everyone looks the same wearing slayer helm (that one is for OSRS but just to demonstrate the point). Before we know it, the options menu would become even bigger of a maze, trying to find the one option you want in a sea of toggles and other unnecessary options.

Toggles should only be done when truly necessary, but as explained earlier, if you don't like being in the company of pets, you can hop worlds, or switch location if what you're doing isn't restricted to just one area, thereby negating the need of a toggle, saving the space for toggles that are actually important to have.


Dr Goldfire said:
Also, from other side of view, disagreement to dismiss drakes if they are disturbing may be viewed as intolerance.

Intolerance and disagreement are two different things; if I disagree with you and want your opinion censored/changed by force, that's intolerance. On the other hand, if I disagree with you and leave it at that, I'm still tolerating your opinion, even though I disagree with it.
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01-Nov-2018 20:55:03

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Tahlzar said:
It still eludes me as to why but whenever a thread with "drakes" and "toggle", "hide" or simmilar stuff appears it always sparks such a heated for a lack of a better word discussion.
I can understand people that buy a pet want other to be able to see them, I myself am guilty of this after all. What I can't understand however is why people get so extremely defensive when others are experiancing problems from something and are asking for a solution that doesn't effect you in the slightest. They aren't asking for the removal of the damned thing, they just want an option to not have to see it. Would it honestly be such a pain for you that you can't force others to have to see some thing that in the end adds nothing other than being fancy.
A toggle option would be a reasonable solution. You can still use your pet people that have no issues with it can still see it and people that have problems with it, be it medical or technological, will not. At the end of the day everyone can play the game they enjoy in a way they enjoy it most.

The fact that there are people whose pet purchase decision was influenced by the knowledge of everyone seeing the pet, with no toggle to hide it, is alone reason enough to not do a toggle, because there isn't any mandatory reason to make it. Somebody not liking the sight of the pet isn't a mandatory reason, or else people would request all kinds of silly toggles under the sole reason that they don't like something.

Then there's the technical side: the more toggles you add, the messier the interface becomes to use, and the more complicated it is to fix certain bugs, because some bugs might only surface when you have certain toggles set up on a specific way. If you compare RS3 and OSRS interfaces, RS3 has a lot of clutter that isn't really needed, and sadly OSRS has begun adding some too thanks to mobile. Consider the future, since everything adds up.
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27-Dec-2018 19:49:40

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David James said:
Tbh the drakes don't affect me, albiet they are overly large compared to the average of other pets out there. I just zoom out far enough so that they actually look pretty tiny tbh. But then again not e'rrybody has a larger screen/decent hardware to compensate.

If they were made the same size as other pets I highly doubt there'd be a problem.

No need for a toggle, just reduce their size to be on-par with other pets.


If you don't agree cuz you don't wanna leave your 'Facebookesque ohMyGodLookAtMeHurrrsquirt" circle jerk group of obnoxiousness then by all means jump on the bandwagon like others have here.



No decent reason not to do it, none that I can think of (nor any in this thread)

Except to be part of dat circle-jerk club. If that's the case ya'll have at it lulz I'll just zoom out and look away as ya'll uhhh, "fascinate" each other over ya'lls pets. ;)

I mean, even if their size were to be reduced, "to be on-par with other pets" doesn't really say anything, because pets come with all sizes, from minuscule baby legendary pets to big adult legendary pets, and everything in-between. Adult drakes aren't even the biggest I'm pretty sure, since there's the illusion of them being bigger than they are from them flying.

But really, if people played with such a crappy setup that they possibly couldn't improve their situation amongst pets (finding that very hard to believe in terms of zoom, since even the smallest of PC monitors shouldn't have a problem like this if you zoomed out), the problem is more on the user-end: you can't expect high quality with a low quality setup, realistically.
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05-Jan-2019 13:24:07

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Draco Burnz said:
I can only support a toggle for all or none.

Theres some large companion pets that ppl dont complain about which i find ironic.

They might not complain about them now, but if a toggle like this was made, they might afterwards, since people always find something to complain about. The difference in each case is whether something should be done about it or not, and since the drakes and other pets can easily be ignored, either by clicking through them or switching world/location if you really don't want to see them, there's no need to make a bigger mess of the game's settings by adding another unnecessary toggle.
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13-Jan-2019 13:26:39

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Whatusaytome said:
Blackwing said:
They might not complain about them now, but if a toggle like this was made, they might afterwards, since people always find something to complain about. The difference in each case is whether something should be done about it or not, and since the drakes and other pets can easily be ignored, either by clicking through them or switching world/location if you really don't want to see them, there's no need to make a bigger mess of the game's settings by adding another unnecessary toggle.

Can you kindly explain why we are forced to move out of what we are doing when a simpler option that doesn't affect you and doesn't force anybody to do anything would be better?

Quite frankly, Whatusaytome, given that you've been a part of this discussion for such a long time now, you should already know the reasons why some don't support the toggle, at least if you've read the posts by the people not supporting the toggle. Just because you don't like the reasons, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Nobody is forced to move out from anything because of some people's pets; they can be clicked through, you can zoom out your camera if you feel like you're too close that the screen is too filled up, and if you're lagging, you'd be lagging anyway, pets or no pets, because it's the players simply being there that really causes lag (and servers being unable to handle too many players causes its own lag).

And like was told before, if you start adding more and more toggles, slowly but surely the UI is gonna become more and more cluttered with unnecessary options, which both damages the UX when the users are searching for the options they actually want by making it more time-consuming, as well as making it increasingly harder to reproduce and fix certain bugs that are related only to certain setting combinations, because there'll be more combinations to go through.
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15-Jan-2019 19:08:52

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Rusty Chisel said:
Blackwing said:
No support, part of the reason why people acquire pets is because others can see them, so it'd be unfair for them to not be able show them to everyone around them. If you don't like company like that, you can hop worlds and/or switch locations (where applicable).

Additionally, it'd clutter the options interface even further (K.I.S.S.) and add extra work to QA to ensure that the game works with both it toggled on and off.


I totally agree. It's nice to let others know what pets you have. :)

Have had a fair share of meeting up people with the same pet or a pet that the other person would want too, and the conversations that spark up are the best! > )


David James said:
That or offer through SGS an item that instantly drops player's FPS and/or freezes their game up. Prolly would be a damn good cash-grab they'd pull off considering how many people love making other people's life miserable.

You're probably joking here, but let's be serious: if Jagex added a toggle for pets, it'd make the bought pets a disgusting cash-grab. Jagex knows full well that other people seeing the pets is a part of the reason why people buy them, so to dispose of that is practically deception towards the players who bought the pets, since pets can be easily avoided if you don't like them.

If a toggle was added, Jagex would probably look into making something else that players can use to show to others, and then repeat the same thing with a toggle to turn it off, once again deceiving those buyers. All the while the non-buyers would never learn to be tolerant of other players who aren't to their taste. You really don't want to encourage that.
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27-Jan-2019 10:50:07

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