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Refresh4
Feb Member 2006

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The alch values of new smithing gear are way too low, which means that almost all mining will be completely worthless within the next week or so.
For example:
The alch value of bane gear is 4k per bar.
Each bar takes 2 Bane ore to make, leaving each ore at around 2k each.
On top of this, smithing is no longer instant, and now takes even longer to get that alch value.
Each bane ore will end up less than 2k. This is bad for a level 80 ore and a complete waste of time.

B-but Elder Rune is much better r-right?

No, no it is not. Elder rune costs 2 animica and a rune bar per bar.
Each bar is 10k alch value when the gear is alched.
If we assume the Rune bar is going for 2k (an unlikely assumption given that nobody over 50 mining will make it unless they have to or it makes more profit than other ores they can mine), that leaves animica at 4k each in alch value.
To make 1.2m an hour mining Animica, you need to mine 300 ores.
To get 300+ ores/hour, you need to be actively 4 ticking with max mining gear during a trah hour.
This is garbage. Compare this rate to Old Trah hour where 2-4 million profit was expected. And this is the absolute best case scenario.
Realistically, rune bars will be worth more than the animica because nothing drops them anymore and they are very low level ores that are a waste of time to mine for exp. They would only be mined for profit.

Extra bar chance is not enough to offset this.

No this will never be held up by masterwork, t92 masterwork degrades at half the rate and doesn't degrade at all on task, so that 600 ore upkeep cost is negligible if you factor in the cost of the time to smith it.

As it is now, once the hype of MW dies down, the only thing that gives the ore value is exp. In a game full of near max players.

How can this be fixed? Simple, increase the alch value per bar. A further fix would be to make base gear instantly smith-able like it used to be.

Tl:dr Increase alch value/time investment or mining will be worthless.

17-Jan-2019 23:16:27 - Last edited on 17-Jan-2019 23:20:35 by Refresh4

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18-Jan-2019 20:50:44

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18-Jan-2019 20:54:31

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I'm unsure about this, just as I'm unsure about Meta Geodes.

Alch value is brilliant as a mechanism of creating a price-floor. The problem is, that price-floor doubles as an incentive for people to actually alch those items; alching literally injects money into the game, and is the biggest cause of inflation in the economy which ultimately devalues all the GP in the game.

Elder Rune items can already be alched for around a million GP depending on the item. First Age Coins (from Metamorphic Geodes) can also be alched for 1m GP each. Since neither of these existed in the game, or were obtainable in such great quantity by the community prior to the M&S Rework, we might already be in a situation where GP is literally flooding into the game in much greater quantity than before.

But hardly anyone is concerned with that problem right now, because everyone's distracted by how profits from bossing are down, or how the price of M&S resources and items are crashing.

18-Jan-2019 22:04:20

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Hidden Relic said:
How Much you make per hour isn't determined by the Alc Value. That's simply the FLOOR, I.E. the Minimal.

Most Items are going to be worth more than Alc.

That's *because* of alching.

As soon as an item drops below alch value, it becomes worth people's time to buy those items on the GE just to alch them. People buying the items to alch means:

- The GE value of the item will increase
- The items are being bought *specifically* to convert into coins, because the difference between the GE price and the alch price is profit.

This is why items won't sit below alch-price for long.

Items won't settle at a price well above alch-price unless there is something else driving demand. In this case, usable items could settle well above alch-price if people choose to alch them rather than sell them on the GE, creating scarcity.

18-Jan-2019 22:42:26

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Nex is Life said:
lol they made the best two armours in the game smithable devaluing pvm drops just so miners and smiths could make less gp than before

Yeah lol, Jagex doesn't understand their own games market, if they viewed prices on AFK-Scape gp methods vs actually playing the game methods they should see a trend...but nope :/ they failed to see it.

18-Jan-2019 22:55:22

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19-Jan-2019 00:23:57

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making bane +4 platebody while smithing for 15 minutes to make it for a measly 320k GP is just a complete waste of time. Not bad for the xp, if that's what you want, but I just want to turn bars into GP, so that takes way too long. Make more money faster picking cabbages.

19-Jan-2019 02:58:01

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