Forums

Mining & Smithing poll change

Quick find code: 16-17-196-65945074

Pink Sheeps

Pink Sheeps

Posts: 894Gold Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
I think this is a very bad decision. In any democracy they never require a super majority to pass. This just allows a minority of people to overrule a majority of people.

Imagine if the EU Referendum required 75% to pass.
Imagine if a government needs 75% of the vote to form a majority.

This is a very strange and frankly incredibly undemocratic to require a super majority. It should stay a simple 50% to pass.

EDIT: Imagine if Yes gets about 65% of the vote, and No gets 35%, In your scenario you will still do the Full rework even though a vast majority would be against it. This is why it doesn't make sense.

29-Aug-2017 14:17:32 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2017 14:18:40 by Pink Sheeps

Pink Sheeps

Pink Sheeps

Posts: 894Gold Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Autumn Elite said:
Pink Sheeps said:
Imagine if the EU Referendum required 75% to pass.
Imagine if a government needs 75% of the vote to form a majority.


Yes, because Jagex should be aiming to replicate the EU referendum, a vote that has tore the country apart, increased separatist movements and resulting in a weak leader taking the UK out of the EU upsetting half the country whilst failing to deliver the asinine promises made to the other half resulting in no one being happy.

That is *clearly* the goal Jagex should be getting for future updates.........


Think what you like. It is undemocratic to ignore a Majority vote in any situation. To do something with a minority vote doesn't make sense in the slightest.

29-Aug-2017 14:25:20

Pink Sheeps

Pink Sheeps

Posts: 894Gold Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Autumn Elite said:
Monado said:


If anything the full rework should require 75% to pass, this is just pandering to the vocal minority.


The full rework has been promised for over four years and repeatedly voted for. Just recently the full rework was voted the second highest priority of players. The high level update is the new suggestion so needs to be proved to have support.


In the most recent survey. The top 3 most wanted features of a Mining and Smithing rework can all be achieved by doing a High level update. Retiering existing ores came 6th on the priorities list. This is why there is a poll in the first place as Jagex have been given mixed messages.

29-Aug-2017 14:34:48

Pink Sheeps

Pink Sheeps

Posts: 894Gold Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
SkylineGTR said:
Pink Sheeps said:
Autumn Elite said:
Pink Sheeps said:
Imagine if the EU Referendum required 75% to pass.
Imagine if a government needs 75% of the vote to form a majority.


Yes, because Jagex should be aiming to replicate the EU referendum, a vote that has tore the country apart, increased separatist movements and resulting in a weak leader taking the UK out of the EU upsetting half the country whilst failing to deliver the asinine promises made to the other half resulting in no one being happy.

That is *clearly* the goal Jagex should be getting for future updates.........


Think what you like. It is undemocratic to ignore a Majority vote in any situation. To do something with a minority vote doesn't make sense in the slightest.

See his follow up post.


By all means I'll use a less controversial topic then.

Take the Scotland Independence Referendum in 2014. This poll would basically be if 75% of people didn't want to stay in the UK then there wouldn't be enough support to stay in the UK so they would leave anyway.

29-Aug-2017 14:41:41

Pink Sheeps

Pink Sheeps

Posts: 894Gold Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
SkylineGTR said:

Please stop trying to derail this thread with your political unrelated opinions that don't involve the actual issue, and see my edit in my previous post.


I'm just pointing out that a 75% vote is a very bad idea. This isn't just a vote for a High level update vs a Full rework. It is also a vote on how much content you want out over the next 6 - 12 months. As has been proven by the Menaphos release people have been very unhappy with the release of content. A Full rework continues that trend. So if more than 50% of people vote for a High level rework, there might be a proportion of those players that voted for it because they want more often content updates too. These are things that have to be considered.

Whilst ofc Jagex isn't an actual democracy as they will always have the final say of what is best for the game. A Vote however is a very democratic process, and a super majority isn't.

29-Aug-2017 14:51:03

Pink Sheeps

Pink Sheeps

Posts: 894Gold Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Autumn Elite said:
Anyway I am pleased with the change. Jagex’s reasoning for putting the Ice Dye at 75% is that their content should have that much support or go back to the drawing board. If people truly believed in this new high level update, it should get 75%. The full rework has been promised for several years and has multiple votes supporting it.


That was a vote for an addition vs no change at all.

This is a vote for content that will be added either way, just when or how that will be added and what gets affected by them doing it.

29-Aug-2017 14:52:51

Pink Sheeps

Pink Sheeps

Posts: 894Gold Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Hguoh said:
Pink Sheeps said:
In any democracy they never require a super majority to pass. This just allows a minority of people to overrule a majority of people.


That's actually how things work in the US.

Until recently, a senator could decide to filibuster any major legislation, raising the required amount of votes to pass it from 50% to 60%. This was supposedly meant to encourage more moderate legislature by making it more difficult for any one party to force their agenda through against a significant portion of the population's interests.

Though I think the best example is the presidential veto. A single person elected through a process that does not ensure majority approval of them is able to deny the passing of a bill into law unless it is able to pass a 2/3s vote in both the House of Representatives and Senate.

And then there's the power judicial review that allows a simple majority of justices on the Supreme Court (none of whom are elected by the populace) to overturn laws in practice if they deem them 'un-Constitutional' regardless of the opinion of the population at large.


If Jagex really does want to have a "super majority" vote like those example you pointed out then it should be fairer like those examples, 60%- 2/3rds. Even the Vitalis vote was a controversial vote and was put at 65% to pass ( a 2/3rds vote). In any case however 75% vote is incredibly high and not fair at all.

29-Aug-2017 15:08:00

Quick find code: 16-17-196-65945074Back to Top