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SkylineGTR

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Pink Sheeps said:
Autumn Elite said:
Pink Sheeps said:
Imagine if the EU Referendum required 75% to pass.
Imagine if a government needs 75% of the vote to form a majority.


Yes, because Jagex should be aiming to replicate the EU referendum, a vote that has tore the country apart, increased separatist movements and resulting in a weak leader taking the UK out of the EU upsetting half the country whilst failing to deliver the asinine promises made to the other half resulting in no one being happy.

That is *clearly* the goal Jagex should be getting for future updates.........


Think what you like. It is undemocratic to ignore a Majority vote in any situation. To do something with a minority vote doesn't make sense in the slightest.

See his follow up post.

29-Aug-2017 14:29:40

SkylineGTR

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Monado said:
Pink Sheeps said:
I think this is a very bad decision. In any democracy they never require a super majority to pass. This just allows a minority of people to overrule a majority of people.

Imagine if the EU Referendum required 75% to pass.
Imagine if a government needs 75% of the vote to form a majority.

This is a very strange and frankly incredibly undemocratic to require a super majority. It should stay a simple 50% to pass.

EDIT: Imagine if Yes gets about 65% of the vote, and No gets 35%, In your scenario you will still do the Full rework even though a vast majority would be against it. This is why it doesn't make sense.


This.

The 75% threshold makes some sense in OSRS because they poll change vs no change. In this case the more conservative position is actually just doing the high level rework because that doesn't involve spending about 4 times the development time reworking content from 1-50 which even a new player can now outlevel in a few hours at the expense of other updates, and reworking drop tables which will inevitably be controversial.

If anything the full rework should require 75% to pass, this is pandering to the vocal minority.

While this may be true, Mining/Smithing Rune at levels 80+ when its only t50 at best present day also only made sense back when osrs was current in its day.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole point of this is to FINISH, UNIFINISHED BUSINESS. We don't want half ass and to kick the bigger problem down the road. This also isn't a place to beg for 6 new quests like you did in the previous thread or someone did.

Please fix old content before we get new. kthnx.

29-Aug-2017 14:39:09 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2017 14:43:04 by SkylineGTR

SkylineGTR

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Pink Sheeps said:
SkylineGTR said:
Pink Sheeps said:
Autumn Elite said:
Pink Sheeps said:
Imagine if the EU Referendum required 75% to pass.
Imagine if a government needs 75% of the vote to form a majority.


Yes, because Jagex should be aiming to replicate the EU referendum, a vote that has tore the country apart, increased separatist movements and resulting in a weak leader taking the UK out of the EU upsetting half the country whilst failing to deliver the asinine promises made to the other half resulting in no one being happy.

That is *clearly* the goal Jagex should be getting for future updates.........


Think what you like. It is undemocratic to ignore a Majority vote in any situation. To do something with a minority vote doesn't make sense in the slightest.

See his follow up post.


By all means I'll use a less controversial topic then.

Take the Scotland Independence Referendum in 2014. This poll would basically be if 75% of people didn't want to stay in the UK then there wouldn't be enough support to stay in the UK so they would leave anyway.

Please stop trying to derail this thread with your political unrelated opinions that the majority of the players may or may not know about and don't involve the actual issue, and see my edit in my previous post.

29-Aug-2017 14:45:01 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2017 14:47:24 by SkylineGTR

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Pink Sheeps said:
SkylineGTR said:

Please stop trying to derail this thread with your political unrelated opinions that don't involve the actual issue, and see my edit in my previous post.


I'm just pointing out that a 75% vote is a very bad idea. This isn't just a vote for a High level update vs a Full rework. It is also a vote on how much content you want out over the next 6 - 12 months. As has been proven by the Menaphos release people have been very unhappy with the release of content. A Full rework continues that trend. So if more than 50% of people vote for a High level rework, there might be a proportion of those players that voted for it because they want more often content updates too. These are things that have to be considered.

Whilst ofc Jagex isn't an actual democracy as they will always have the final say of what is best for the game. A Vote however is a very democratic process, and a super majority isn't.


1) Please stop using the word democratic/democracy or any form of the word.
2) Quality over Quantity.
3) Please do explain why it is not ok for Rune to be at t50 present day and ok to mine/smith at level 80+ in RS3 and why it should've stopped at OSRS when it stopped making sense and why we need the new ores/tier shuffle/etc.

29-Aug-2017 15:05:34 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2017 15:05:58 by SkylineGTR

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Mod Balance said:
For those of you worried about the 75% threshold being an issue:

The way we're planning to run polls in the future is that where we would be disrupting the status quo, or would be making a major change to the game, we will require at least 75% of players to vote for the change.

In this case (Mining & Smithing Rework), a vote for "YES" is a vote to change to status quo, meaning we work on the new stuff sooner. A vote for "NO" is a vote to stick with our current plan - to develop the full Mining & Smithing rework. Based on player feedback so far, it is clear that a bigger mandate is required for us to change course.

Whatever the outcome of the poll, we will work in earnest to get the content developed and released in great shape and to a high standard.

Ill make my feedback and vote simple, at whatever the cost; Two words; Tier Reshuffle. My vote is nay.

29-Aug-2017 15:09:50

SkylineGTR

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SkylineGTR said:
Mod Balance said:
For those of you worried about the 75% threshold being an issue:

The way we're planning to run polls in the future is that where we would be disrupting the status quo, or would be making a major change to the game, we will require at least 75% of players to vote for the change.

In this case (Mining & Smithing Rework), a vote for "YES" is a vote to change to status quo, meaning we work on the new stuff sooner. A vote for "NO" is a vote to stick with our current plan - to develop the full Mining & Smithing rework. Based on player feedback so far, it is clear that a bigger mandate is required for us to change course.

Whatever the outcome of the poll, we will work in earnest to get the content developed and released in great shape and to a high standard.

Ill make my feedback and vote simple, at whatever the cost; Two words; Tier Reshuffle. My vote is nay(Also, mining/smith should NOT be increased to 120 skills with the new ores filling the void UNLESS we still get the tier shuffle and rune is mined/smith at level 50. Making the new proposed ores content worth skilling on and unlocks past level 99.


EDIT: Sorry, idk why it duplicated this post, I clicked edit.

@Takara, I don't agree with getting new quests when we have an issue as big as this atleast until it is fully resolved. Quality over Quantity.

29-Aug-2017 15:18:48 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2017 15:25:53 by SkylineGTR

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[quote id=16-17-196-65945074-33-341571358][quote id=16-17-196-65945074-31-341571341][quote id=16-17-196-65945074-28-341571297] Ill make my feedback and vote simple, at whatever the cost; Two words; Tier Reshuffle. My vote is nay(Also, mining/smith should NOT be increased to 120 skills with the new ores filling the void UNLESS we still get the tier shuffle and rune is mined/smith at level 50. Making the new proposed ores content worth skilling on and unlocks past level 99.[/quote] No to 120 Mining and Smithing. No way, no how. Nope nope nope. There's enough work needing to be done with M&S; the last thing we need is to on top of all that, expand [i]two skills[/i] to 120. At least, not with this rework. Let's not even discuss mining and smithing to 120 until like...2025 or something, 'kay?[/quote] I only brought it up as a response to someone elses idea on it in the previous thread, while I still do think its a great idea, I agree.

29-Aug-2017 15:29:19 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2017 15:29:35 by SkylineGTR

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Boris D said:
To those who are speaking about this being democratic or not, my counter to that is that too many people will vote impulsively on "new content woo!" and won't even bother reading about the details of this update. Quite frankly, the implications downstream of a large scale change like this can break more than it's worth. The only incentive people would have is to have higher tier armor (which isn't needed since most of that armor quality exists and is very affordable to players that can use it) and the overload smithing buff, which is just for those who are bossing and don't need it.

This isn't a full democracy, but even then, democracy requires informed voters, and lord knows that's never the case anywhere in the world.

+1

29-Aug-2017 15:31:39

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Pink Sheeps said:
Autumn Elite said:
Monado said:


If anything the full rework should require 75% to pass, this is just pandering to the vocal minority.


The full rework has been promised for over four years and repeatedly voted for. Just recently the full rework was voted the second highest priority of players. The high level update is the new suggestion so needs to be proved to have support.


In the most recent survey. The top 3 most wanted features of a Mining and Smithing rework can all be achieved by doing a High level update. Retiering existing ores came 6th on the priorities list. This is why there is a poll in the first place as Jagex have been given mixed messages.


Some players (like myself) didn't get a chance to vote in this poll because I returned very recently, and while I just like everyone else may have just gotten one vote (obv) mine would be tier shuffle ranked 1st. Contrary to what they said in one of their live streams, a tier shuffle would be one of the things to keep me playing Rs, because logically it would be one of the best things they could do, and should have done
years
ago, especially because I really love mining, and genuinely want to see it done right.

29-Aug-2017 15:48:02

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Paladine said:
Good change!

The M&S Rework has been voted very highly on the last two annual surveys. It needs to happen in full. One complete update, not in batches.


+1 Are you listening to this
JMods
???

Id really love a
Jmod
to provide details of what the
XP Rates/Prices
of the new ores would be as far as profitability of the new ores and old ores before/after/proposed rework would look like bc tbh that determines more of my answer, but in either case to be clear my vote is for the FULL originally promised rework. Also, please don't add it to the mining guild, it would be better to be spread around or in a spec city
(tied to Seers Village graphic update perhaps?)
of Gielinor.

The full rework needs to happen period. Its long overdue and the game already is broken without it, anyone who disagrees is blind and/or bias favoring OSRS
bc in no realm is mining/smithing t50 at level 85 in RS3 atleast
ok or ever should have been as soon as it happened!

Just a side note, Ive played RS since 2007/2008 even though under my name says 2017 which is peculiar because its the same account. If it adds more weight(not that it probably will) for a
Jmod
as far as hearing the opinion of a player that's been around for awhile, and contrary to what was said in the stream, weather this rework gets done right or half done
has a big weight on if I decide to stick around and keep playing
.

30-Aug-2017 00:06:23 - Last edited on 30-Aug-2017 01:09:52 by SkylineGTR

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