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King Noob Iv
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The Design document for Masterwork armour has been updated.

Click on the top link, "Project Summary" on that thread, to find the new times to smith a set of Masterwork Armour. It takes 12 bars to make a full set. Including assembling the materials, it takes around 12 hrs to make.

It will never be valuable to make. They need to increase the bars per item for Masterwork, or increase the time it takes to make 1 glorious bar.

EDIT: T90 Masterwork is now power armour, which can be repaired.

15-Mar-2018 23:08:06 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2018 17:04:50 by King Noob Iv

Uncle Pob

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King Noob Iv said:
T92 Upgraded Masterwork degrades to dust now, and cannot be repaired. This is to maintain the value of Masterwork armour.


That would certainly work. However, what's the point of spending all that time making the T92 armor if you can't sell it? Value isn't just a measure of how what the price is in the GE, value is all about supply and demand. Supply will obviously be low, but where's the supply going to come from?

Why would PVM players honestly pay the prices these armors are intended to be sold for, when they're only a paltry amount stronger than much cheaper gear that does not deteriorate to dust?

And what good is smithing an item that's worth 1 Billion GP if nobody is willing to pay that due to the "deteriorate to dust" factor? If you can't actually sell the thing, it's worthless.

16-Mar-2018 01:05:36

Uncle Pob

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Jeremy Cheng said:
You can dye it to make it repairable. It's still worth making.


T92 gear turns to dust.

T90 gear will degrade to broken, so that's obviously reparable. The problem is T92 gear requires T90 gear to be made, and the result is slightly more powerful gear that literally turns to dust and is destroyed after some amount of use.

Hence the problem is that T92 gear will be only slightly better than T90, but will be more expensive because it's stronger, rarer and takes longer to make. If T92 ends up being cheaper than T90, due to it's deteriorate-to-dust situation, why would any Smith want to make it? They would make more money just selling the T90's, and upgrading to T92 won't even provide any decent XP.

So T92 has to hold more value to be worth making over T90. But how many PVM players would seriously pay more for limited-use deteriorating armor that has to be repeatedly bought new, when there's a cheaper alternative available that's repairable? Especially when the damage bonus while wearing T92 is expected to be incredibly small.

16-Mar-2018 04:35:52 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2018 04:36:50 by Uncle Pob

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Uncle Pob said:
Jeremy Cheng said:
You can dye it to make it repairable. It's still worth making.


T92 gear turns to dust.

T90 gear will degrade to broken, so that's obviously reparable. The problem is T92 gear requires T90 gear to be made, and the result is slightly more powerful gear that literally turns to dust and is destroyed after some amount of use.

Hence the problem is that T92 gear will be only slightly better than T90, but will be more expensive because it's stronger, rarer and takes longer to make. If T92 ends up being cheaper than T90, due to it's deteriorate-to-dust situation, why would any Smith want to make it? They would make more money just selling the T90's, and upgrading to T92 won't even provide any decent XP.

So T92 has to hold more value to be worth making over T90. But how many PVM players would seriously pay more for limited-use deteriorating armor that has to be repeatedly bought new, when there's a cheaper alternative available that's repairable? Especially when the damage bonus while wearing T92 is expected to be incredibly small.



I mean...

People said the same thing about T90s vs T92s on weaponry...


... Check out the difference between Noxious Weaponry and Telos Weaponry.



PvMers will pay anything for that 2% increase.
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16-Mar-2018 14:21:35

Hguoh
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Uncle Pob said:
So T92 has to hold more value to be worth making over T90. But how many PVM players would seriously pay more for limited-use deteriorating armor that has to be repeatedly bought new, when there's a cheaper alternative available that's repairable? Especially when the damage bonus while wearing T92 is expected to be incredibly small.


The t92 stuff is power armor. The t90 stuff is tank armor.

Existing t90 power armor is degrade to dust.

So what you really need to consider when questioning how much more people will be willing to pay for the extra damage bonus of t92 power armor is the value of the existing t90 melee power armor: Malevolent.

16-Mar-2018 15:35:37

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Hguoh said:
Uncle Pob said:
So T92 has to hold more value to be worth making over T90. But how many PVM players would seriously pay more for limited-use deteriorating armor that has to be repeatedly bought new, when there's a cheaper alternative available that's repairable? Especially when the damage bonus while wearing T92 is expected to be incredibly small.


The t92 stuff is power armor. The t90 stuff is tank armor.

Existing t90 power armor is degrade to dust.

So what you really need to consider when questioning how much more people will be willing to pay for the extra damage bonus of t92 power armor is the value of the existing t90 melee power armor: Malevolent.


Actually, Masterwork sets will be T90 Power and repairable with items made from smithing. They updated the Masterwork Armor design doc.
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16-Mar-2018 16:01:15

PrimaAntiqua
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Well, they have just completely and utterly killed t92 power armour. Unlike the weapons debate, the armour bonus boost from t90 to t92 is irrelevant. The only thing people will ever notice is the damage bonus and on power armour, the damage bonus is so tiny that noone will ever see it in practice.

Hence, the t92 armour needs to cost the same to maintain as t90 armour (say, malevolent). Making it cost a masterwork set + torva set + malev set to make utterly kills any chance of this armour ever being used except for keepsakes and the odd record-seeker. That is not how to make t92 armour.

I really hope they change it. It's incredibly useless as is.

16-Mar-2018 17:15:56

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