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Smasherley
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Raids 2 under another name quite simply.

The reason we didn't get raids 2 is because no one wanted raids 2 and yet solak sounds like he's being modelled off beastmaster durzag and yakamaru

I will get my kill and retain my comp like with every other useless endgame idea but your player base ... (I.e over the 1% that this content applies to) don't regard endgame, big group req stuff to be necessary or fun and that's what we play for, right? Fun?

To me it's a chore, something to comp and like raids that will be what the majority see it as

You never learn

25-Sep-2017 01:30:57

A Mad Hatter
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Raids 2 under another name quite simply.

The reason we didn't get raids 2 is because no one wanted raids 2 and yet solak sounds like he's being modelled off beastmaster durzag and yakamaru

I will get my kill and retain my comp like with every other useless endgame idea but your player base ... (I.e over the 1% that this content applies to) don't regard endgame, big group req stuff to be necessary or fun and that's what we play for, right? Fun?


And what about the people who actually want Raids 2 because they find that crap fun? They should be left lingering in the dust because 'the majority' decided they didn't want another kind of fight like Raids offers because of their comp capes or whatever?

Either way, my first impression is pretty simple: the only thing making me even remotely interested atm is a duo option (assuming what I hear is true and not changing at least). I hate working with large groups because past experience says most people I end up with turn out to be pretty mediocre in situations where I need to rely on them. But being able to take a trusted friend along that I know I can work with right off the bat? I'm still no fan of raids type content, but it's better than needing 10+ people who don't suck to pull off the fight.
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25-Sep-2017 06:09:53

Smasherley
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On the contrary his explanation seemed very certain to me, as a paying customer just like everyone else I am also entitled my opinion as is you. He mentioned basing Solak on Vorago and Yakamaru. Requiring perfect combat with no doubt DPS firmly on your side. Quoting the hardest boss to date...

I don't need to wait as my eyes are already rolling to the back of my head

the word "crap" didn't get mentioned in my comment (you said it). I just expect in a event for the majority that their main highlight wouldn't once again be the baddest hardest boss they can possibly think of.. Getting comp back isn't a problem, I will get it back but I want the highlight of this year or next to be something that I will want to revisit and personally I agree with you in that I greatly dislike having to team in bigger groups.

7 is quite sizeable imo, it's similiar to raids, infact from the info we do have it just seems like raids 2 has just been put somewhere else after they have been told this is not wanted..

Yes we all have different friends, I have clanmates who love raids.. It's no lie that he represents a minority of the game.. I have killed them both once, I have killed vorago once and I have no intention in doing it again only Vorago for the Maul kill trim req.. Other than that they can both rot and the sad thing is... Once I have the comp req, this boss will rot too

I am greatly discouraged by jagex creating content that requires 3rd party chat software to communticate by voice. I dont trust it and I wont use it. That makes me limited in who would accept me in a team.

Solo Content From mole to telos.. Not a problem, I am left alone to do my thing.. The annoyance is having to rely on others.. In my skiller clan it is not an option to just have a boss team.. So Solak will be at 1kc for a very very long time... AOD would be had i not used a mass to get the books which took 15 kills

25-Sep-2017 09:22:10

PrimaAntiqua
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While I don't think it's as bad as Raids 2 in terms of player group size, it still baffles me how they keep trying to force these large group bosses on a playerbase that does not want it (and for the people above who doubt that it really is about 3% of the playerbase that wants Raids 2, check the results of last year's "big survey" on Jagex's YouTube channel).

At least they are adding a duo mode, but it baffles me why they can't just take it one step further and add a solo mode too. Hell, after last year's poll results we were promised a boss for 1-5 players. Then in development it was "decided" arbitrarily that this one would be forced-group and after a second poll showed that people want groups as small as possible, it was agreed this would be for 2-4 people with the special duo mode. Now suddenly it's duo or 5-7 again???

But as long as plans don't change (and believe me I hope they do change it to allow soloing AS WELL AS groups), it's not as bad as the idea of Raids 2 is: at least it sounds like we can just duo this for comp capes and then leave it to rot.

25-Sep-2017 09:23:29 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2017 09:25:20 by PrimaAntiqua

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On the contrary his explanation seemed very certain to me, as a paying customer just like everyone else I am also entitled my opinion as is you. He mentioned basing Solak on Vorago and Yakamaru. Requiring perfect combat with no doubt DPS firmly on your side. Quoting the hardest boss to date...

the word "crap" didn't get mentioned in my comment (you said it). I just expect in a event for the majority that their main highlight wouldn't once again be the baddest hardest boss they can possibly think of.. Getting comp back isn't a problem, I will get it back but I want the highlight of this year or next to be something that I will want to revisit and personally I agree with you in that I greatly dislike having to team in bigger groups.

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I know what I said. I mentioned 'crap' because I genuinely feel that content like Raids is utter crap when you take into account that you need the kind of teamwork and coordination you do in there just to get through a fight. Especially in a game that has not only gone out of its way to avoid having proper tanking and healer/support options for the longest time in favor of pushing a pure DPS mentality (which is still something we're missing to some extent here), but also reinforcing the idea that having other people around is bad for you because of how the drop system worked in bosses until the past few years.

That all said, I don't disagree with you at all for the most part. But as much as I dislike that kind of content, we also can't reasonably expect it to just not show up at some point now that Raids has its own community and a (somewhat small from what I can tell) demand for it. That's where my initial question came from O_o
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25-Sep-2017 21:22:42

Smasherley
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My apologies I misread your comment

I think what baffled me about raids is how mazcab came from a world event. Something the whole world and community helped in defeating tuska. I felt by making mazcab so endgame they were kicking 97% of the player base in the nuts for their achievement in killing tuska

26-Sep-2017 01:12:32 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2017 01:15:26 by Smasherley

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It's alright, that happens a lot. I'm used to it by now :p

I think Mazcab coming from a World Event made sense in a way though. At the time, planar travel and that sort of thing was a bit limited and not all that well explored (arguably it still isn't), so having a portal open up to a new world the way it did saved the writers a lot of headaches in trying to justify how we all of a sudden knew about it enough to get there.

But what I never really liked was how Mazcab is essentially the Raids hub with some 'skilling' stuff (which isn't even all that fun either) tacked on to justify it existing to anyone not interested in Raids. Considering how other games I've played usually made their raids/trials/challenges like that a side feature of the area instead of the main attraction, it just seems like a waste of potential to me.:(
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26-Sep-2017 01:29:20

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