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Doorknob747

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I heard as well as found out from a live stream, that fletching will become f2p at the end of september/begining of October. This so exciting. However many f2p players are concerned over something. We are concerned over a big question.

WILL FLAX BECOME F2P?

The main concern is that without flax, there will be no easy way of leveling up other than making arrowshafts, and unfinished bows are worth nothing at all and barely sell. Making fletching f2p without flax would be:

A. Costly (bowstrings will have to be bought causing a loss in profit)
B. Making it to hard to lvl up after a certain lvl cause it would only be useful to make arrowshafts.
C. Makes fletching look a bit useless other than headless arrows in f2p. (Which can already be done in f2p currently, and would make no difference).

Flax can be seen in one f2p area and that is near the taverly/burthrope farmer tutor. However picking it up on f2p server yields,"You need to be on an f2p server to pickup flax.
Even if the item flax becomes f2p, it would still be to costly and profit loss since, the price will mostly rise.

For this reason there is a second big question:

IF FLAX BECOMES F2P, WILL F2P BE ABLE TO PICK UP FLAX FROM TAVERLY FARM?

I really wish for some response as this aspect of fletching becoming f2p topic, was not discussed on the live stream, and a lot of f2p users i think have the same or similar questions in mind, as those posted on this thread.
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19-Sep-2017 20:06:15

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The likelihood that Flax will be made F2P is extremely high. I see no reason to panic about this.
Let's say Flax does not become F2P, as I'd like to address your concerns.

A. Yeah but there are so many bowstrings already, and undoubtedly more will enter into the game, so while there might be a semi-large increase in price at first, it's likely that the price would drop down to a more reasonable level after a few months or so, as P2P players will see bowstrings as viable income again and might even pick up noted bowstrings from mobs just to sell them.

B. You can cut logs for Fletching, which gives as much XP per action as stringing, and is the same XP rate, if I recall correctly. So as far as grinding the skill goes, this isn't an issue at all.

C. Fletching is already useless. Maybe one day it'll get a rework that comes with extra benefits, but as of right now, it is pretty much useless. So, again, a non-issue.

D. Here's the actual problem of Flax hypothetically not becoming F2P: Iron Mode. Ironman/woman accounts will not be able to string bows in F2P in such a scenario, as they cannot use the Grand Exchange, or trade with others directly. However, this is precisely why I am certain it WILL be converted to F2P. Same goes for Sinew. I have no idea why you didn't even consider this, as it is the only major problem of Flax not being converted over.

If Flax becomes F2P, will the Taverley Flax field be accessible in F2P as well? Most likely. That or monster drops. Which is okay, but yeah, odds are, it will be possible to pick Flax there in F2P when Fletching is converted.

I understand being concerned, but please, try to keep calm, and consider the actual potential issues, instead of ignoring them in favor of temporary problems like "costs" and nonsensical concerns over how a lack of F2P Flax will make the skill "useless" or "hard to lvl".
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19-Sep-2017 20:33:08 - Last edited on 19-Sep-2017 20:35:28 by Peaky

Miu
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They could just make bowstring drop from various monsters, like imps. If they do allow f2p players to use flax, maybe they could add an option in miscellania to turn flax directly into bowstrings for less flax. That would undercut bots once and for all in the bowstring market.

Secondly, even if flax wasn't made f2p, bowstrings aren't required in bulk to train fletching. You can make unstrung bows, and save the few bowstrings you need for a weapon you want to make.

But yeah, I'd like to know about this too, but jagex also might not be willing to reveal too much about this because it could affect the economy.
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20-Sep-2017 08:39:21

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It's in taverly/burthorpe.

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20-Sep-2017 12:07:57 - Last edited on 20-Sep-2017 12:08:44 by Kanarthasis

Doorknob747

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Miu said:
They could just make bowstring drop from various monsters, like imps. If they do allow f2p players to use flax, maybe they could add an option in miscellania to turn flax directly into bowstrings for less flax. That would undercut bots once and for all in the bowstring market.

Secondly, even if flax wasn't made f2p, bowstrings aren't required in bulk to train fletching. You can make unstrung bows, and save the few bowstrings you need for a weapon you want to make.

But yeah, I'd like to know about this too, but jagex also might not be willing to reveal too much about this because it could affect the economy.

There is a problem with what you said in the first paragraph. The only place, where one can find lots of imps in one place in f2p is the karajama volcano, and there is no bank near by there.
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21-Sep-2017 00:58:12

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Get rid of the 1 farming xp per flax picked from the flax fields and you can almost guarantee it'd become F2P.
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21-Sep-2017 09:04:35

Fire Hawk154

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A. Costly (bowstrings will have to be bought causing a loss in profit)
It's not a skill you train for profit though, you train it to get your total level up. So that it's costly isn't an issue (it's not even that expensive).

B. Making it to hard to lvl up after a certain lvl cause it would only be useful to make arrowshafts.
It's not useful to make 10.000 strung bows either, you only need 1 (or a couple if you PK). They won't be good for alching since rune items are much more profitable to alch. So this doesn't make it harder to level up nor more useful.

C. Makes fletching look a bit useless other than headless arrows in f2p. (Which can already be done in f2p currently, and would make no difference).
It's still completely useless for non-ironman. Turning flax into bowstring would be a good monkeymaker for low levels, but that's part of the Crafting skill, not Fletching. This doesn't add anything useful. It's not like when you forget to bring a bow you're going to teleport to a flax field when you can tele to a bank instead.

Also, flax is being dropped by the 1000s, there's no point in picking it yourself. There are also a lot of monsters in F2P with horrible droptables, so might as well add flax/bowstring to them.
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21-Sep-2017 09:33:31

Doorknob747

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Fire Hawk154 said:

It's not a skill you train for profit though, you train it to get your total level up. So that it's costly isn't an issue (it's not even that expensive).


It's not useful to make 10.000 strung bows either, you only need 1 (or a couple if you PK). So this doesn't make it harder to level up nor more useful.

It's still completely useless for non-ironman. Turning flax into bowstring would be a good monkeymaker for low levels, but that's part of the Crafting skill, not Fletching. This doesn't add anything useful. It's not like when you forget to bring a bow you're going to teleport to a flax field when you can tele to a bank instead.

Also, flax is being dropped by the 1000s, there's no point in picking it yourself. There are also a lot of monsters in F2P with horrible droptables, so might as well add flax/bowstring to them.


On your third point you don't understand the point. First off, we are not talking about buying 100 bow strings, we are talking about around 1k or more if you want to get fletching experience for finishing a short bow or shield bow. Second i think you forgot, that bowstrings are used in lower fletching lvls, and new players will not have that much money to buy bowstrings.

Lastly, making flax f2p will not affect the economy and there is proof for that. Unlike in members worlds where there are multiple places to obtain flax, in f2p their theoretically will only be one place to obtain it. Also, that place in Taverly/Burthrope has a limited number of Flax plants. With the limited nu.ber of flax available in f2p, if the price were to ever change it would change much slowly.

I do not think people are understanding what I'm trying to say here. Almost everything you guys said i know about. I'm talking about the perspective of a new player in the game, who probably does not have much, flax and fletching can be quite valuable.
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21-Sep-2017 16:53:22 - Last edited on 21-Sep-2017 16:54:29 by Doorknob747

Miu
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Doorknob747 said:
There is a problem with what you said in the first paragraph. The only place, where one can find lots of imps in one place in f2p is the karajama volcano, and there is no bank near by there.


Yeah, I was just thinking of something that drops odds and ends.

The reason I'm hesitant about adding flax to f2p is because that would help botters out a ton.
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21-Sep-2017 20:36:45 - Last edited on 21-Sep-2017 20:37:05 by Miu

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