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Kemtros
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Lord Drakan said:
Amascut said:
something that was never canon and had too many logic holes to count.

Yeah so, it was canon and it fit all the hints. That's why it was confirmed back in 2012. They just retconned it now to something considerably stupider, but hopefully the sequel should fix that.

Moreover, why did Virtue Power copy my post...verbatim?


Nomad was a terrible character in Requiem because he was arrogant to the point that I was more annoyed by him than interested, so it doesn't matter me to if his master was Lucien or not because I cared that little about Nomad. Lucien fits more than someone we don't know about, yes, but I can't really say it was less interesting when the amount of interest in Nomad's story was already nonexistent to begin with. Dishonour Among Thieves made me actually care about Nomad's story, so if Elegy just explains the deal with his master, maybe I'll finally understand why Nomad was supposedly interesting in Requiem.

01-Nov-2015 19:55:20

Amascut
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Pink Sheeps said:
This is Lord Drakans post from page 102. Virtue Power has just copied this word for word to pass it off as his own. His also done this on other threads and yesterday was being disruptive on the forums by gravebumping. His just a troll.


How strange o.O Didn't even realize.

Anywho, *Fussy: As we discussed in-game, there were a ton of holes with pretty much every master proposed. Lucien had his fair share of issues beyond Mod Rathe confirming it wasn't a Mahjarrat, and most other potentials had problems too. The solution for DAT at least gave them some space to work with while moving the story away from Lucien, but I also really appreciate that it accounted for a lot of the inconsistencies in the first quest, from the random White Knights and Arthurian Knight stuff showing up, to the use of Black Knights when they weren't actually controlled by Lucien, but Dark Squall and the Kinshra team. Having it be some sort of traitor playing both sides, and gathering an army of loyalists from both sides seems a lot more interesting to boot.
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02-Nov-2015 06:10:16

Amascut
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Fat N Wacky said:
Is it officially "Rivers of Blood" now, and not "River of Blood"? Just asking/making sure! :)


Was one or the other! Still a provisional name though.
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05-Nov-2015 19:02:08

Autumn Elite
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Amascut said:
Quite frankly, some dialogue updates doesn't fix the age of the quest. It's old, looks old, and plays old. It needs some love :P

And better quests? Death of Chivalry, Demon Slayer, Myths of the White Lands, Rune Mysteries, and Stolen Hearts, with ease.


I agree its looks old but what exactly do you mean by plays old? Again it comes to the point there are also other old quests e.g. Legends quest. Why is Dragon Slayer in its own category of needing a rework?

Death of Chivalry I'll agree with. Demon Slayer depends on what rework you are talking about. The latest one fails the scale of grandeur and battle Dragon Slayer has. Myths of the White Lands is totally forgettable and kinda weak. Rune Mysteries and Stolen Hearts maybe I'd have to look them over. Still this puts Dragon Slayer is the top quarter of free to play quests.


Orion Raven said:
Quick Update

Raven is working on Nomad's Elergy confirmed on the newest Dev Q&A Stream.


Yay. The developer of this years best quest developing this update is a great move for this quest.
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07-Nov-2015 18:44:13

Autumn Elite
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Aquamancer said:
Of course they're are plenty of quests that would need a rework. The question what quest should be reworked first is all about priotization though, and since Dragon Slayer and all the other outdated f2p quests are more accessible to a larger portion of the playerbase than any other quest, it'd probably be a smart idea for f2p quests to be brought up to date first.

As for Dragon Slayer fitting the story, it isn't really integrated to the grand story of RuneScape too well, really.

And as for what quests are better, well, Amascut pretty much said everything I would've said. Death of Chivalry, Demon Slayer, Myths of the White Lands, Rune Mysteries, and Stolen Hearts, with possible A Shadow over Ashdale thrown into the mix. Pirate's Treasure, Vampyre Slayer and Imp Catcher reworks would have potential for really brilliant quests as well.


That's one way of looking at it. Another way is saying that it is low level content not really connected to any main quest line so a rework doesn't really serve the game much. Two things about reworks are will it get used and is it the best use of resources? Will "fixing" Dragon Slayer made it massively better to the extent it deserves the resources over other projects?

Case in point - I just completed Branches of Darkmeyer. A core quest in a major quest line with massive issues My review here You could apply all of your points for Dragon Slayer to Branches (and much more convincingly in my opinion).

Dragon Slayer isn't integral but neither is tower of life, myths of the white lands, rune mysteries ect. But it serves its purpose - its a grand scale adventure, it tells all its story ect. See my previous reply about better quests.
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07-Nov-2015 18:59:27

Autumn Elite
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Iceey said:
They make a dragon seem all high and mighty when they simply aren't. The flow of the quest is terrible. You want rune. You have to kill a dragon. You have to find 3 map pieces. You buy a ship which is destroyed. Once you are a member, you get 4 ships that are way better than the other. You end up finding out that the powerful dragon is a green dragon which is the WEAKEST of all dragons. I just don't see it being able to destroy a whole island. We have the QBD living UNDER Asgarnia and even awake it doesn't destroy the world.


Once you are a member with level 90 stats, you get 4 ships. I don't see how that is relevant at all to Dragon Slayer which is targeting lower levelled free to play players. Same with your points about the OBD. It just isn't relevant. To the target audience, the dragon is the strongest creature they can fight. Its the weakest dragon but the strongest of free to play, which it is a finale for.

The island still has fire giants and poison spiders. How exactly would you make it dangerous? Sure you could spend a lot of time on environmental factors but its only used once so is it worth it.

"Rewards could be better" you can say that about anything. It releases one of the top free to play tier non degradable plate bodies. Also Mod Daze buffed the fight in September so there goes that point.

I am not blinded by nostalgia. I am not saying Dragon Slayer is fantastic. I'm saying the 2008 rework made it to a good standard and it has not fallen to the point it needs a rework.

Lord Drakan said:
Read the transcript. Can confirm DS is a good quest, bar a few logic issues. Certainly better than some recent quests...


See? Its not like its me against an overwhelming support base like the mining & smithing rework. There is not a consensus on this.
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07-Nov-2015 19:15:19

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Regarding Dragon Slayer, you have to keep things in perspective:
1) The quest was done so so so long ago, when game mechanics were different and a Green Dragon would have actually been "dangerous" to an average player
2) Herblore and Anti-Dragonfire Potions were not released until well after the quest came out
3) The quest does illustrate what would happen if you unleashed a Flying Fire Breathing creature larger than a main battle tank onto a tightly formed urban area. Can you imagine what might happen if any dragon happened to to get loose in Varrock or Lumbridge or Rimmington?
4) Elvarg was supposed to be a non-standard green dragon. so what made her dangerous vs other dragons could have been the potency/effectiveness of her dragonfire. (for example: while other dragons can unleash a quick burst of dragonfire, she could let loose a more potent and continuos stream)
5) In game time had also passed since the dragon layed waste to the city. It's possible since Elvarg's time, that dragons simply got stronger, while she was static or even gotten weaker.
6) Finally, your encounter with Elvarg was supposed to be early in your adventuring career, not late. So while you defeat a few demons, undead, and a vampyre, you really get to carve a name for yourself as an adventurer by carving it into the side of a green dragon.

Now ... if you really still feel like this is a problem, you can always petition Jagex to up the difficulty of Elvarg so that she level scales or something, so that now she starts out at a level as high or higher than Black Dragons for some players.

08-Nov-2015 05:17:26 - Last edited on 08-Nov-2015 05:22:56 by sir eos lee

Amascut
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Autumn Elite said:
Amascut said:
Quite frankly, some dialogue updates doesn't fix the age of the quest. It's old, looks old, and plays old. It needs some love :P

And better quests? Death of Chivalry, Demon Slayer, Myths of the White Lands, Rune Mysteries, and Stolen Hearts, with ease.


I agree its looks old but what exactly do you mean by plays old? Again it comes to the point there are also other old quests e.g. Legends quest. Why is Dragon Slayer in its own category of needing a rework?

Death of Chivalry I'll agree with. Demon Slayer depends on what rework you are talking about. The latest one fails the scale of grandeur and battle Dragon Slayer has. Myths of the White Lands is totally forgettable and kinda weak. Rune Mysteries and Stolen Hearts maybe I'd have to look them over. Still this puts Dragon Slayer is the top quarter of free to play quests.


Cuz I'm talking about F2P content that needs to be updated to improve the Free Game :P Once F2P content is all in a great state, then we can start talking member's content.

Demon Slayer's current iteration is stellar, after the dialogue and gameplay rework that went into the original rework. Myths is fun and cute with stellar puzzles. Rune Mysteries and Stolen Hearts are among best in the game, let alone F2P.

Dragon Slayer's a bottom-tier F2P quest, especially when we consider which quests *matter* and which don't, in the grand scheme of things. It's supposed to be some big F2P finale, but just feels underwhelming. An update to the boss isn't just going to solve the issue, nor is just a simple dialogue tweak. The quest has core age issues that really need a rework to fix logic issues, update story, make the gameplay more unique, and to give the quest a stronger purpose and reward.
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10-Nov-2015 15:00:07

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