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Guitar Girl

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In the end you might just have to accept that this may be a quest you don’t enjoy. No one enjoys every update. There are plenty of quests I did not like while I know other people adored them. That’s just the way the cookie crumbles :). Hopefully you can tell that I am willing to listen to other ideas and make this a quest many find enjoyable, but I cant please everybody.

I actually said more than I wanted to here, but oh well. :P Still congratulations to everybody who made it onto the poll. I think all of the ideas had potential to be great additions to the game and maybe in the future they will revisited.

06-Aug-2015 23:40:45

Fat N Wacky
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Guitar Girl said:
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My biggest concern: Dev time.

Everything you said is great, and has potential - But the problem is, this quest only has four months of Dev time. It's supposed to be out by the end of the year.

How are they going to manage a great story about an underwater city in four months?

And the other thing is... People are voting for it for all the wrong reasons. People are nostalgic, but you just clarified that your idea wasn't about nostalgia at all.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend you, I just don't have a good feeling about this.
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07-Aug-2015 00:11:01

Guitar Girl

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There seems to be a discrepancy over what a "medium sized quest" is. What is the length of the average "medium sized" quest? The website lists medium quests as everything from Imp Catcher to Nomad's Requiem and Mourning's End Part II. Are "medium sized" (as stated in the Runelabs criteria) and "medium length" (category on the website) quests the same thing?

07-Aug-2015 01:17:27

Amascut
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Guitar Girl said:
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I have massive concerns for a few reasons:

1) Nostalgia. Because you pitched Tutorial Island, and not the PoP Sunken Island, which well could have been different things, you opened up the nostalgia stigma. People are going to be going in expecting some absurd nostalgia trip through Tutorial Island and such, and I have no interest or love for designs like that. I really appreciate that you want to steer away from that, but it doesn't change the expectation I know many will have.

2) The design of the island. The original Tutorial Island is boring as hell. Like seriously, it's painfully dull. Taking what we know as Tutorial Island and making it sink just means now the couple small buildings are ruined, and the tiny dungeon is flooded... and that's it. If Ashdale sunk? Cool - the architecture plus the statues create some really amazing visuals, and opens a lot of design space for cool content. But Tutorial Island doesn't. It was spread out, simple, and exceedingly boring visually. This quest will require devs to create something pretty much unrecognizable as Tutorial Island for it to have any sort of visual appeal.

3) The pitch. My biggest issue with what you pitched in RuneLabs was that it lacked... anything. Reading it, I have no idea where the quest is to go, what I'm to expect to play, and what I could do there. There's not really any story pitched. Who's going down there? Why? What is there of interest on this island at all? What purpose is it trying to fulfill? What are we to expect from this? Your pitch left a lot more questions than answers, which leaves me having no tangible idea of what I'm to expect as a quester and as a lorehound about what kind of experience I'd be having with this quest.

4) It's a filler quest. We get so few quests each year, adding a random throwaway quest about the sunken Tutorial Island just feels like a waste when a more relevant update could be made.
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07-Aug-2015 03:58:23

Amascut
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Guitar Girl said:
There seems to be a discrepancy over what a "medium sized quest" is. What is the length of the average "medium sized" quest? The website lists medium quests as everything from Imp Catcher to Nomad's Requiem and Mourning's End Part II. Are "medium sized" (as stated in the Runelabs criteria) and "medium length" (category on the website) quests the same thing?


Regarding this, Medium-length =/= medium-sized. Length is of course the time to play it, while size would be the budget put into it. Something like Heart of Stone and A Shadow Over Ashdale are the Medium-sized quest projects mentioned on the guidelines.
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07-Aug-2015 03:59:48

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@Guitar Girl

After reading your comments and ideas, as much as I'll say that I personally will appreciate the fact that you aren't out to make this a nostalgic trip down memory lane whilst wearing rose-tinted glasses, I can only imagine that this will lead to criticism on quest release day.

We all know this community all too well, and what they're expecting is a glorified re-visit to Tutorial Island to have that experience yet again. To them, stemming away from this is only cause for outlandish posts of how terrible the update will be and how it "missed the mark".
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From what we know from the survey, Fot*2 sounds... just weird. The Mahjarrat were not only eager to leave Freneskae (the ones that weren't lost the big battle), they also have many more opportunities for power etc. on RuneScape. It has powerful artefacts, and gullible humans. There is nothing left on Freneskae, except for maybe Mahserrat and stuff, but none of the Mahjarrat's own tribe.

Zamorak and Zaros meeting? Well, part of this has been ruined because Zaros apparently does not want vengeance, even though that was the entire point of the Return to Zaros series, referenced from The Dig Site right up to The Temple at Senntisten. But that aside, these two figures meeting would be incredibly hard to pull off properly. And I do mean incredibly hard. You'd have to merge Paul, Tytn and John A into one mind to even have a kindling of hope of doing it right. Well, that sounds melodramatic, but you get my point. :P

Of course, we know virtually nothing about the quest so it could conceivably turn out great, but the pitch we've got so far is beneath 'meh' and, with all these grandmasters and low number of quests, I'd've picked something else, I guess... I imagine it'll also be combat-heavy, and I'm tired of all these quest bosses with their special attacks and stuff. I'd so much prefer an impossible puzzle.

There, that's my rant of the day.

Also, crystalline shapeshifters for TLW? So there is still hope for the quest! :P Well, still desecrating Seren's char development, but whatever. Where was this said?? Here's hoping for a massive light puzzle and I might actually enjoy it. :D
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07-Aug-2015 06:44:42

Guitar Girl

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I know some people voted for it for the wrong reasons and if I see them I correct them but it's not my fault if they don't choose to come to the forums and see what I actually proposed. The poll did say that Tutorial Island is underwater and as much as I would like to believe that everybody read that and took that as Tutorial Island will not be coming back as it once was I know some did not.

And Amascut, I already stated a few times that I left my Runelabs submission without much information on purpose. I was under the impression that is what they wanted and I am still not entirely sure they wanted an entire description. Also, if there are new creatures inhabiting that area, why wouldn't there be new architecture and things to do? Jagex can add things. I'm sure it is pretty boring beneath Menaphos right now.

Runescape is not a dark and serious game. They pushed for a "filler" quest. The serious nature of the updates this year most likely made them want something lighthearted.

If people are mad on the first day because they didn't seek out more information they have no one to blame but themselves. You use the forums. You have the ability to discuss it and pitch your own ideas. But as I already said not everyone will be pleased and anyone who is not is going to have to deal with it.

07-Aug-2015 13:11:33

Fat N Wacky
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Guitar Girl said:
I know some people voted for it for the wrong reasons and if I see them I correct them but it's not my fault if they don't choose to come to the forums and see what I actually proposed. The poll did say that Tutorial Island is underwater and as much as I would like to believe that everybody read that and took that as Tutorial Island will not be coming back as it once was I know some did not.

And Amascut, I already stated a few times that
I left my Runelabs submission without much information on purpose.
I was under the impression that is what they wanted and I am still not entirely sure they wanted an entire description. Also, if there are new creatures inhabiting that area, why wouldn't there be new architecture and things to do? Jagex can add things. I'm sure it is pretty boring beneath Menaphos right now.

Runescape is not a dark and serious game. They pushed for a "filler" quest. The serious nature of the updates this year most likely made them want something lighthearted.

If people are mad on the first day because they didn't seek out more information they have no one to blame but themselves.
You use the forums. You have the ability to discuss it and pitch your own ideas. But as I already said not everyone will be pleased and anyone who is not is going to have to deal with it.


Am I the only one who sees the problem with this or ?
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07-Aug-2015 21:24:49

Guitar Girl

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I was not very detailed in my runelabs submission but it was very clear that it was intended to be underwater themed and there was no intention of bringing back tutorial Island as it once was. You're talking about something you when you don't have all of the information. Amascut did read my Runelabs submission and she most likely read my statements on the Runelabs forum post here: 387-388-20-65656453

If you don't have all of the facts I'm sure it does appear that way, but none of that was really directed towards you anyway.

07-Aug-2015 23:38:49

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