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Mod Osborne

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Hey all,

I thought I would drop in and talk about why I fell in love with the idea of Bank Bidders, and what – in reality – it will probably end up looking like.

I love Bank Bidders because of the moments it will create. A player will have won a ‘bank’ - the prospects look good, everything is pointing to it being full of valuable goods – and they begin to open it. Everyone is watching, they’re eager to find out what the player has won, and it turns out to be…a bronze pickaxe.

Equally, it could be an unassuming account with shedloads of great stuff! There’s the potential for wonderful stories.

I love Bank Bidders because it is fun, it’s cheeky and a little bit risky. It’s not your run of the mill event. And it’s important to note that it is an event, with all that entails: it will be something temporary, like The Drop or September Raffles. It will be a shot in the arm of fun, that’s worth logging in for.

I also love Bank Bidders because it highlights, on a very large platform, that botters do not prosper. They get found out, they get their items taken away, and their accounts are no longer theirs.

So, what will it look like on launch? We’re still designing that, but one pitch hits all of the buttons for me. Imagine there are five anonymous accounts in front of you (and they will be completely anonymous – we are not interested in manipulation of the game) and you examine each of them to find out their stats, account age and some other relevant details. You have one ticket and one ticket only: you cannot purchase any more than that, and the cost of that ticket is somewhere within the realms of 100,000gp. So you decide who to place your ticket on; you decide on the account that looks most likely to be awesome. Everyone else does that same, placing their 100,000gp ticket on the account that is most likely to give great spoils.

At the end of the week, no more tickets can be placed. We (Jagex) pick a winner of each account. And, then, one by one, the bank accounts of each of the banned players is revealed, most likely on a stream. We find out – as I said before – whether the player has a bronze pickaxe, or a surfeit of great stuff.

It doesn’t end there: I like the idea of everyone who bet on the most valuable account getting something special, something relatively valuable or perhaps cosmetic. Basically, we reward you for being wise enough to spot the best account.

This would happen once every few months, like The Drop, or several times over one month, like the September Raffle. It’s not a persistent piece of game content.

Would rares be included? Absolutely – there would be no interest and fun if they weren’t. There would be no untradeable rares, however. It is important to note that rares would be, well, rare on Bank Bidders – in terms of the broader economy, Bank Bidders would be adding a miniscule and negligible number of rares. The same goes for resources: we have looked into these accounts and the number of resources that would be added into the economy, and Bank Bidders wouldn’t make a dent on the daily introduction of resources into the game. It doesn’t even nudge the graph.

That’s where we are now. We’re still in the throes of design, so I am eager for your thoughts. But, hopefully, you can see a glimmer of why I fell in love with Bank Bidders.

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21-Sep-2016 11:17:41

Davey J
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Thanks Dave, hopefully this will lessen the amount of disdain for this within the community. I for one am excited to see this in game, should be tonnes of fun! :D
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21-Sep-2016 11:34:08

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I'm surprised to hear that this was your idea honestly, I often forget you're the lead designer which encompasses far more than just Lore. Although we all know you like us best.

I honestly don't mind this, I was initially worried about the influx of rares, but more would leave the game everyday regardless of the insanely lucky chance of one coming "Back" into circulation.

I can see myself bidding on a bank or two for sure.

It's a nice little temporary money sink poking fun at the rule breakers with the chance to win a stunning hat like mine, what's not to love?
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21-Sep-2016 11:38:47

Big Storms
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It is nice to see how enthusiastic you are about the concept and I definitely see the source of the appeal. Still some things just do not really feel right in my opinion.

For one, suppose one of the accounts has botted woodcutting, having loads of magic logs in its bank. For me these feel like tainted goods, not being obtained through legitimate means. Banning such a botting account is also to ensure their influx of tainted goods is diminished, giving space for people who actually legitimately obtain items.

I know the number of accounts that can be bid upon is selected as such that it will not negatively affect the economy, but the feeling of reintroducing such illegitimately obtained goods remains.

The design now has a means to not make bank bidding limited to the extremely rich, which is good. Still it seems the end result will be a bit of a lottery as well, you having to be lucky enough to be picked by Jagex as well. It misses an aspect of work as well, with a raffle ticket (if I may call it that) being easily bought every week.

It does provide a nice gold sink to the game though, and I see the similarity with storage wars, with the excitement of what is present in the banks. But personally it somehow feels not right at the same time, to give banned accounts more attention than they deserve.

As you can see, I do not have a clear opinion on it just yet, just posting my thoughts.
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21-Sep-2016 11:39:11 - Last edited on 21-Sep-2016 11:53:08 by Big Storms

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I do not understand why so many people are against this.

You lost me at, "I like the idea of everyone who bet on the most valuable account getting something special, something relatively valuable or perhaps cosmetic"

I like the idea of it being all of nothing.
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21-Sep-2016 11:43:44

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Thank you for giving us more details on how it will work.

But, you have a whole forum full of us who see your "fun" as crossing a line, whether you want to describe that as "ethical", "moral", "practical" or something else.

There's a creative thread by a chap named CuddleBucket if you want to see the visceral disgust this sets off in those opposed. I suggest you read it, and see if you can attempt to rebut that. If you have a solid argument beyond "Golly gee, won't this be a blast!" I will listen.

I think I can find my "fun" in this game and not be having it on the backs of botters and other rule-breakers. This proposal shows an appalling sense of nonchalance towards rule-breakers in the game. One might even suppose you welcome them now -- after all, they're supplying you with such "great" ideas for "fun".

21-Sep-2016 11:49:12 - Last edited on 21-Sep-2016 11:51:53 by Ghosttalon

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Is this how it will be or an idea? I prefer the idea of everyone bidding on the accounts for the contents of the bank itself . The bank bidder is a good idea and has the potential to increase your bond sales for people who wish to take part. it should be something of all or nothing that's the whole point of the risk in storage wars ect let's face it who wants to bid for a cosmetic reward

21-Sep-2016 12:05:38 - Last edited on 21-Sep-2016 17:22:41 by Noahs Yacht

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Still one of the worst ideas ever. Wealth belonging to cheaters should be removed, not given to a random player.
We also already have enough gambling as it is. No need to add an official way (even if it's temporary).

I also very much agree with this.Hex Maniac said:
2. Benefitting from cheaters.
I don't like it. Players shouldn't be gaining wealth from people that cheated or got themselves banned for any other reasons, their items are and should stay out of the game for good. Just handing out the banks of these illegitimate players to people who are effectively gambling (which is against your own rules by the way) by putting money down on them in hopes to potentially get rich quick isn't something, as a player that loves this game, can agree with.
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Mod Osborne said:
I also love Bank Bidders because it highlights, on a very large platform, that botters do not prosper. They get found out, they get their items taken away, and their accounts are no longer theirs.
They don't prosper sure, but we get to prosper and potentially gain wealth from these illegitimate players and frankly the idea doesn't sit right with me.

Raffling off the accounts does sound a bit better than the original pitch of having them go to the highest bidder and the risk vs reward style event you want this to be (I do like the idea of a risk vs reward event) there are reasons why I don't want this ingame.

1. Oversaturation of events this year.
There's been far too many events this year, and i feel it's kind of a waste to use all this dev time on temporary content, not only that but it makes events feel less special when keep adding more and more, over and over. To this date there's been a total of about 17 events this year (that's almost 2 a month) and we still have more to come with Halloween and then Christmas still on the horizon... It's far too many, even if some of them do take little to no dev time. While one could argue "Just don't participate then!" that's a fair point, but then they would be missing out, they feel somewhat forced to participate because of this.

2. Benefitting from cheaters.
I don't like it. Players shouldn't be gaining wealth from people that cheated or got themselves banned for any other reasons, their items are and should stay out of the game for good. Just handing out the banks of these illegitimate players to people who are effectively gambling (which is against your own rules by the way) by putting money down on them in hopes to potentially get rich quick isn't something, as a player that loves this game, can agree with.

I appreciate that you really like this idea and want to alleviate the concerns of the community, but it's not something I personally can agree with.
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