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Prime Axiom
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Kcin said:
Prime Axiom said:

1 of each boss is too much?

You don't have to do all skilling activities, you don't have to do any PvP, you don't have to get all the lore, so why should you have to do all the bosses?

Unproportionate


You don't need hardmode Nomad.
You don't have to do 100% enrage Telos, and which is where Telos really begins.
You don't need to obtain any pets.
You don't need any raid feats.
You don't need any titles.
You don't need any speed kills.
You can leech or mass any group boss.
You don't need to 7 man AoD, which is how the fight is intended to be done.
You don't need to 3 man Rago, which is where PVMers currently hold the standard at.

In terms of the PVM content available, reaper barely scratches the surface. It's a wide puddle that doesn't go deep. You can kill every boss once in the game by the end of today, arguably in less than 2 hours. Certainly in less than 4. How on earth is that more demanding than asking all skills to be grind to 99, some to 120....and every quest unlocked? Why should I *have* to do livid farm? Mage Arena training? A bunch of miniquests? Ports? Arc rewards? Because they're part of the game, and a significant enough part of it that if I want to call myself a completionist that I must do it.

*Disproportionate.

15-Mar-2018 01:01:23 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2018 01:11:10 by Prime Axiom

Kcin
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Prime Axiom said:

You don't need hardmode Nomad.
1

You don't have to do 100% enrage Telos, and which is where Telos really begins.
2

You don't need to obtain any pets.
3

You don't need any raid feats.
4

You don't need any titles.
5

You don't need any speed kills.
6

You can leech any group boss.
7

1) Quest reward(lore category)
2)You don't need 200ms in skills (which is where the skilling "challenge" really begins)
3)You dont need any skilling pets
4) See number 2 and you can apply virtual levels in here as well
5) Don't need titles from other parts of the game either
6) No time requirements on skilling or quests
7) Same reason why removing them makes no difference to if they are or aren't on the cape

Prime Axiom said:

In terms of the PVM content available, reaper barely scratches the surface.

If it barely scratches the surface whats 4 more bosses not included going to do that makes it sooo horrible for it to be removed?

Ahh the weak argument shows having to start correcting grummer
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15-Mar-2018 01:11:00 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2018 01:11:19 by Kcin

Prime Axiom
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1) Is corp a quest reward too? Let's not be difficult here. Hardmode Nomad is a boss.
2) You do realize telos goes up to 4000% enrage right? That there are variations of the warden title at 500%, 1000%, and 4000% right? 100% enrage is just when you unlock phase 5, which is where the full boss fight is finally unlocked. Hell telos doesn't even bleed you until 50%. You just compared the entry-requirements to a phase of a boss fight to the hard cap of a skill's xp rate.
3) I mean, if you disregard quest unlocked pets... I guess.
4) You do realize some raid feats are as simple as not using the gongs after repairing them....like some teams already do? Again, comparing this to the hard-cap of a skill. I dunno what to say.
5) Again, excluding titles from quests and miniquests (Legatus anyone)?

Because the completionist cape has BIS stats and is a symbol of prestige. The fact that the reqs are easy in comparison to real PVM achievements is not a reason to remove them. If anything, it proves how lucky we are that Jagex isn't forcing players to actually be good at PVM to obtain comp.

15-Mar-2018 01:24:35 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2018 01:29:37 by Prime Axiom

Kcin
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Prime Axiom said:
1) Is corp a quest reward too? Let's not be difficult here. Hardmode Nomad is a boss.
2) You do realize telos goes up to 4000% enrage right? And that there are variations of the warden title at 500%, 1000%, and 4000% right? 100% enrage is just when you unlock phase 5, which is where the full boss fight is finally unlocked. You just compared an entry level PVM achievement to the hard cap of skills.
3) I mean, if you disregard quest unlocked pets... I guess.
4) You do realize some raid feats are as simple as not using the gongs after repairing them....like some teams already do? Again, comparing this to the hard-cap of a skill. I dunno what to say.

1)isn't treated as a boss (not on reaper clearly)
2)You do realize that total xp goes up to 5.2b xp right? And there are variations of skilling milestones at 99, 120, 200m right? Level 99 is ust when you unlock all the skill. (strange how easily that fits with your statement)
4)You do realize some of the lore unlocks are as simple as picking up a book that people run by already do? (again how easily yours fits to another area)

Prime Axiom said:

Because the completionist cape has BIS stats and is a symbol of prestige. The fact that the reqs are easy in comparison to real PVM achievements is not a reason to remove them.

Yeah it just gives more reason to why Group bosses which are the top tier ones on level with some of those achievements is reason to remove them as the things around them difficulty(as much as you can say a leech is hard) wise. You guys keep stating things that aren't on comp that are pvm reqs so why is it so hard to understand that group bosses can fit into that group without anything changing.
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15-Mar-2018 01:36:31

Prime Axiom
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1) Are Nex, Graardor, and AoD quest rewards too? Nomad is a boss. It's a boss that is not on reaper, but a boss nonetheless.

2) You do realize there's less people with gold warden than 5.4b total right? Like 4 people have it. Just like how there isn't just one skill in the game, Telos is also not the only boss in the game. I can easily just say obtain all titles from all bosses (62 people have praesul as of 2 months ago). But, hey if you think 200m xp in a skill is equivalent to 100% enrage telos (basically beginner level Telos).... well, that explains a lot.

3) So? Are quests not a part of the game, and required for comp?

4) I am not the one complaining about comp reqs. I am perfectly okay with lore unlocks.

I don't want comp to be easy to get. Removing group PVM makes it easier to get. It's simple logic, really.

15-Mar-2018 02:25:20 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2018 02:48:44 by Prime Axiom

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Prime Axiom said:
1) Are Nex, Graardor, and AoD quest rewards too? Nomad is a boss. It's a boss that is not on reaper, but a boss nonetheless.

2) You do realize there's less people with gold warden than 5.4b total right? Like 4 people have it. Just like how there isn't just one skill in the game, Telos is also not the only boss in the game. I can easily just say obtain all titles from all bosses (62 people have praesul as of 2 months ago). But, hey if you think 200m xp in a skill is equivalent to 100% enrage telos (basically beginner level Telos).... well, that explains a lot.

3) So? Are quests not a part of the game, and required for comp?

4) I am not the one complaining about comp reqs. I am perfectly okay with lore unlocks.

I don't want comp to be easy to get. Removing group PVM makes it easier to get. It's simple logic, really.


Are talking about completionist cape or completionist (t)? As far as I know completionist (t) requires to kill more npc's, oh well then just fuze pvm requirements with completionist (t) (anyhow I wouldn't even bother to get it anyway).
For getting even completionist cape it's pain in the ass....Seriously 120 slayer? I prefer kill arraxor 12k times than get my slayer level to 120. Why?
Well I have life and I go to job and I spend less time for games and it takes abnormal time to achieve completionist cape. Grinding what kills me, un-interesting grinding. I prefer grind boss then skill requirements. But oh well it is how it is and I'm happy with requirements how it is.
That's only my opinion.

15-Mar-2018 03:11:09

Nex is Life
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Kcin said:

What other skill can you train only by killing monsters? Combat skills there are methods that invovle no monsters at all. Hence slayer is the Main PvM skill. Besides the point anyway.

Yet it doesn't because you know nothing about Nomad's mirage as it has different mechanics than in the quest.

Something is still off. So does reaper give a taste of every boss or does it not? Make up your mind.

So whats wrong with unconventional forced group bosses being excluded too? Penance king already is. Soul Reaper already does it too.

Still no reason why reaper is so special that it can't be replaced.
Yes... It is PvM... but not "the main PvM skill", it's auxiliary. And you can get 99 Slayer without ever attacking an NPC, just ask skilling pures.

I don't need to. I know I beat it.

Out of any potential PvM requirement, reaper is the broadest.

What is unconventional about group bosses?

Ok, replaced with what? Nomad and Morvran's are insufficent because they cover less of the game.
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15-Mar-2018 03:39:24

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Kcin said:

If you can prove that the soundtrack is undoubtedly tied to the minigame(as in you can't play it without the music) then it would be group content. But seeing as it is, just because it is connected geographically doesn't mean its connected by mechanics.


You can't even start a game of BA without other players, let alone get to stage 10 to unlock the music track. Regardless of the mechanics.

As to the rest, I already told you I wasn't comp (ut); 6 bosses and 12 music tracks left and half are music tracks for mini games that I can't get without other players. I've also stated that I don't ever plan on getting comp (t). I sure enjoy ticking off as much from that list as I can though. Lastly, you've stated over and over and over again, how easy it is to leech 1 kill group bosses, why not just get it done--even though you consider it unreasonable. As for me, I prefer not to leech, but rather participate in something that is very much a part of the RS community, even if just only for a little while.

15-Mar-2018 10:21:20

Kcin
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Prime Axiom said:
It's a boss that is not on reaper, but a boss nonetheless.

If you want to keep calling it a boss, then that just gives another reason why group bosses being off reaper wouldn't be a big deal

Prime Axiom said:

2) You do realize there's less people with gold warden than 5.4b total right?

You do realize the point I was making?

Prime Axiom said:

3) So? Are quests not a part of the game, and required for comp?

Quests are, and yes required for comp. Lore is part of the game, and not required for comp(for vast majority of it)

Prime Axiom said:

4) I am not the one complaining about comp reqs.

Yet you are? Complaining about reaper(group bosses) getting removed without changing stats is a form of complaining about comp reqs.

Nex is Life said:
And you can get 99 Slayer without ever attacking an NPC

Using reward xp isn't training a skill and doesn't count for training a skill. You are just getting xp in that case.

Nex is Life said:

I don't need to.

When talking about a certain subject you do need to know what you are talking about.

Nex is Life said:

Out of any potential PvM requirement, reaper is the broadest.

Morvran is still broad, reaper doesn't hold all the bosses(or it does I still cant get a clear answer out of you) so leaving off 4 more bosses won't do anything to harm it.

Nex is Life said:

What is unconventional about group bosses?

Compared to the majority of the bosses(which you can solo) they are unconventional. Generally done is soloable bosses, group bosses dont conform to that so are unconventional.

Nex is Life said:

Ok, replaced with what?

I've given you replacements and there are plenty more, you just have to actually go do things.
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15-Mar-2018 12:08:44

Kcin
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SandyHorizon said:

You can't even start a game of BA without other players

But can you play the game without music? And trouble brewing you were able to get the track solo before.

SandyHorizon said:

Lastly, you've stated over and over and over again, how easy it is to leech 1 kill group bosses, why not just get it done

Clearly you can't read what I've stated over and over. The elitist, the scammers(those who make you pay), the people who don't accept new players to bosses after years are the ones who make this req anywhat hard, and are the reason I don't do group bosses. Since my friends and the people I play with have either moved to Ironman mode(couldn't ever wonder why they wouldn't want to play group stuff hmmmm) or aren't high enough level to do the boss themselves, or just don't care about it.
The point is leeching the boss to get a kill isn't a kill so why not remove it since people can already skip it? Replacing it with something you can't leech shows a lot more than having a leechable boss on.
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15-Mar-2018 12:11:42 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2018 12:22:38 by Kcin

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