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Nexus Origin

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2_Tron said:
Ohh ..., weird ..., I thought you would go go for saying 'gold farming etc.'.
That would also be considered commercial purposes as well.
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13-Feb-2019 22:11:14

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Nexus Origin said:
I'm not interested in what Jagex can or can't do. I'm interested in only the rules, as they are stated.


In this case, that is two sides of the same coin.

Nexus Origin said:
If there is no rule in the CoC or the RoR that something is covered under, then the T&C rules apply?

For example, there is no rule in the CoC or the RoR that cover "commercial use", however, the T&C states:
Original message details are unavailable.
User content must not have any commercial purpose


So if someone is using the forums for commercial purposes, even though there is no rule in the CoC or RoR that cover it, the T&C takes precedence, and the rule is applied.

Am I correct in that assumption?


I consider the Terms of Conditions a fallback as that is what allows Jagex to ban an account and thereby terminate the contract with the customer in question as well as take legal action if need be. You provide a good example of the situation you describe, though seeing how Jagex actively promotes and encourages creators, user content quite clearly may be used in a commercial manner in certain circumstances; e.g. YouTubers and streamers. The Terms of Conditions acting as a fallback is really underscored by this line in §19:

Headings above are for guidance only and not binding. If we fail to enforce any provision of these terms and conditions, that failure will not preclude us from enforcing either that provision (or any similar provision) on a later occasion.

In other words, whilst, following your above example once again, it may be stated in the Terms of Conditions that user content must not have any commercial purpose, Jagex need not enforce this unless needed. One can imagine, for instance, how this is useful in taking down a private server whilst simultaneously encouraging creators.
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13-Feb-2019 22:15:17 - Last edited on 13-Feb-2019 22:16:40 by Mexk

Nexus Origin

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Mexk said:
Nexus Origin said:
I'm not interested in what Jagex can or can't do. I'm interested in only the rules, as they are stated.


In this case, that is two sides of the same coin.
No, I'm interested in what users are permitted to do, as outlined by the T&C, the CoC, and the RoR.

What rules users need to follow.

Obviously Jagex can do whatever they like. I'm not contesting that in any way, shape, or form.

I have not once contested that, nor have I questioned it or brought it up at all. Others keep bringing that up, not me. I don't care what Jagex can or can't do. That isn't my focus here.
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13-Feb-2019 22:20:01

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Nexus Origin said:
Mexk said:
Nexus Origin said:
I'm not interested in what Jagex can or can't do. I'm interested in only the rules, as they are stated.


In this case, that is two sides of the same coin.
No, I'm interested in what users are permitted to do, as outlined by the T&C, the CoC, and the RoR.

What rules users need to follow.


Obviously Jagex can do whatever they like. I'm not contesting that in any way, shape, or form.

I have not once contested that, nor have I questioned it or brought it up at all. Others keep bringing that up, not me. I don't care what Jagex can or can't do. That isn't my focus here.
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13-Feb-2019 22:22:23

Mexk
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Nexus Origin said:
Mexk said:
Nexus Origin said:
I'm not interested in what Jagex can or can't do. I'm interested in only the rules, as they are stated.


In this case, that is two sides of the same coin.
No, I'm interested in what users are permitted to do, as outlined by the T&C, the CoC, and the RoR.

What rules users need to follow.

Obviously Jagex can do whatever they like. I'm not contesting that in any way, shape, or form.

I have not once contested that, nor have I questioned it or brought it up at all. Others keep bringing that up, not me. I don't care what Jagex can or can't do. That isn't my focus here.


I should have elaborated further, I did not mean to suggest you have contested the above. The reason why I say it is two sides of the same coin is because the Terms of Conditions determine what Jagex may legally do -- e.g. banning an account and thus terminating their contract with that player -- and thus, by extension, what users may do; e.g. how we ought to obey the Code of Conduct whilst utilising the forums.
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13-Feb-2019 22:23:54 - Last edited on 13-Feb-2019 22:24:27 by Mexk

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Mod Poerkie said:
It's not up to me to officially state which one, if one takes precedence. So it's very unlikely you will get an answer to your question.
Okay, so, who can officially answer the question of which one takes precedence?

Mod Poerkie said:
Both apply and you should adhere to both, that is the most important.
Oh. Well that's... confusing. How can I adhere to both? They have contradictory rules.



The Terms & Conditions states that user content:
must not include hyperlinks or connections to third party websites;


While the Code of Conduct states:
If you post links or images make sure they are safe for your fellow forumers.



How can both of those apply at the same time?

One of them must take precedence over the other.


posting a URL is not a hyperlink, as it isn't clickable

the rs forums don't support hyperlinks to websites outside of runescape.com, and as such there is no contradiction
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14-Feb-2019 07:26:36

Nexus Origin

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Miu said:
posting a URL is not a hyperlink, as it isn't clickable

the rs forums don't support hyperlinks to websites outside of runescape.com, and as such there is no contradiction
Well, since a URL isn't a link (since it isn't clickable) then the rules in the Code of Conduct which state that links can be posted if they are safe doesn't apply to posting URLs, thus, the Rule in the Rules of RuneScape would apply:
Original message details are unavailable.
Players should refrain from actively advertising in any of our games or forums. This includes advertising any website


Thanks for pointing out that no URLs are permitted to be posted in the forums.
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14-Feb-2019 13:48:26

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