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Miu

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The problem with the lax moderation is as follows.

1. Ban evasion. Bans are rarely given out. When they are, it's incredibly easy to ban evade. Someone has made a thread asking to remove the f2ps from the forum, that's how bad this problem has gotten. Since bans are rare, and ban evasion makes the bans negligible, there's practically zero punishment here unless you deliberately go out of the way to get permabanned from the forums.

2. Forum stagnation caused by trolls. A few users make almost exclusively irritating flamebait posts. Most veteran forum users are aware of these users and find them harmless. However, imagine it being your first time on the forum, you make some feedback or suggestion thread, and the only person to comment is asking something deliberately irritating or obtuse, or disagreeing with the idea for no reason. Constructive criticism towards suggestions can be helpful. A bunch of "^this, no support" isn't.

This behavior actively pushes away new users. Old users watching new users get trolled out of the forums can hardly do anything because these users aren't banned, and bans are easily evaded. As long as intentionally disruptive posters serve as the welcoming committee for new forumers, the forums will never grow, unless a new troll decides to skirt the rules and join in the fun.

Note that this is in regards to lax MODERATION, not lax rules. When rules are lax, when those few rules still around are broken, it makes more sense to punish. When rules are strict, moderation shouldn't be harsh except in extreme circumstances. With how open the forums are now, repeatedly breaking the rules is unacceptable.
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09-Dec-2018 17:07:34 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2018 17:53:02 by Miu

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Tuffty said:
You also have to think if I post back will it cause issues. Or if I ignore it will it be better. Ignore is a great tool and under used. If you post back to someone who baited you then they win. They got you hook line and sinker. But if you ignored them you win. It's well worth ignoring something because it bugged you. Trust me it does work.

Sorry to keep going over old ground but it does need saying again.


With all due respect, ignoring the problem is how it got so big in the first place. Again, it's easy for veteran forumers to ignore trolls, and of course not feeding trolls is good advice. But when someone new wants to join the forums and sees how a majority of the posts are from bad actors that deliberately derail and flamebait, they aren't going to just ignore the troll. They're going to ignore the forums entirely. I guess since most RS players don't use the forums, they're winners, according to your logic.

I agree people shouldn't be banned for trivial things. Persistently trolling the entire forums over the course of years isn't trivial. It sends a bad message to the community that that behavior goes unpunished, and it discourages new forum users. It's the exact opposite of cultivating a community.
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13-Dec-2018 16:26:27

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FiFi La Lush said:
And you're not posting totally negatively about me? Specifically me (atm) and specifically other people earlier in this thread. You don't seem to have a good word to say about anyone. We all appear to be either bullies or indolent Moderators.




You are indulging in exactly the behaviour that you say you find so abhorrent. At this very moment you are in the OT Lounge, trolling, baiting, pushing for a negative response and desperately seeking to stir up ill-feeling and chaos.

You seem to thrive on manufacturing crisis after crisis. And then complaining long and loud that you are the victim in all of it.

Just stop. People are sick to death of your drama-llama threads and posts.
agreed
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14-Dec-2018 02:06:01

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Dong U Dead said:
Miu said:
Dong U Dead said:
Edit: I notice you have your friends coming in to support you.


Dong, I'll support you when you're right, and be against you when you're wrong. You know that. Allegations of conspiracy do not help your cause.

You are dreadfully in the wrong.

No, I am not in the wrong!

- why did you just now come in now with this issue with fifi? This thread has been up and about for a while and suddenly the two usual supporters have arrived when fifi arrived - in my mind that is how I see it.


??????

I've been in this thread for the past couple days and I've finally had enough of you derailing your own thread to make vague and nonsensical accusations against forumers. But it seems that was the intent of this thread from the very start.
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14-Dec-2018 03:39:01

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