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Hey guys.

As you're obviously all aware, the Old School servers are back. That means all the fun memories and content we've enjoyed as we have progressed through the years, we can enjoy again. However, there are also certain things not so enjoyable, such as scams and lures that existed during that time that we must become aware of. Unlike today, we didn't have certain safety measures back then, such as the amount of money something was worth in the trade screen, or the "other player has declined trade" notification in the chat box. Some scams that exist today existed back then as well, others were unique to that time period. In this thread, I intend to outline popular scams of the time period, and ways to avoid and deal with them.

Feel free to add me in-game if you have any questions regarding scams or similar activity. My private is usually on.

Thanks.
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23-Feb-2013 17:50:52 - Last edited on 03-Nov-2013 22:54:41 by Motley Crue

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• Doubling Money - The scammer will say they can double your money and offer to 'prove' it, other times, they will simply offer to double it. You give them a small amount of money - they give you double the amount back. They will then try to get you to give them a larger amount, but instead of doubling it they'll just keep it. They may even use a friend to help, who will stand next to them saying something like ''OMG! He doubled my 100k!'' or ''Wow! you really are legit''. It’s probably worth remembering that if something looks too good to be true, it probably is. If you fall victim to this, it's best to report the player for scamming.

• "2B Giveaway - Search Scamer123 on Youtube, Trade for 5M after Voting!" - Do not fall for this. The Video will say some rehashed line about a giveaway where you must follow the link in the description that takes you to a RuneScape look alike site to "Sign Up". When you input your details they will hijack your account.

• Trust Trades - A player will tell you to trade them your most expensive item and they will return it to you - then say the person who trades the most expensive item wins a huge prize! This is a SCAM. These scammers will often be surrounded by friends who will tell you that they recently won a massive amount of money. Avoid this at all costs.

• "Meet my friend at [...], he's buying your item for a higher price!" - Don't believe this for a second. Often players will offer to buy an item for a high price, and when you try and trade them, they will say their friend is buying it at a different location for a higher price, and then will put a teletab up in trade, hoping you forget your item is still in trade, and in your eagerness to get a better deal, accept the trade.

• EoC/07 Gold Swapping - Though not always a scam, sometimes players will keep your gold when you give it to a middleman to be transferred. This is a trust trade, as such, engage in gold swapping at your own risk.
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23-Feb-2013 17:51:03 - Last edited on 04-Feb-2015 02:44:42 by Motley Crue

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• Rounding Money - Scammers will say "Show me your pile of cash and I'll round it up to the nearest million/hundred thousand for you" - this is one of the "too good to be true" scams. When you show the scammer your money (let's say it's 900k) they will put 100k in the trade window - and the initial impression is that you are indeed getting the difference between your cash and one million - but don't forget you have put 850k up - if you proceed with the trade you will hand over 900k and receive 100k in return, the net effect being a transfer of 800k from you to the scammer. ALWAYS be wary of your trade.

• Show me your inventory – Players will ask you to show them your best items in the hope that you'll forget they're there, and press 'Accept'. Be wary of anyone asking you to show your inventory and make sure you’re concentrating on the trade window at all times.

• Armour trimming – No one can 'trim' your armour - it can be either 'trimmed' or 'untrimmed'. It is not possible to trim untrimmed armour. Trimmed armour can be gained by completing clue scrolls.

• Falador Mole - Be wary of anyone asking you to trade in the Giant Mole's lair, or in Falador Park. Be sure to have warning messages toggled on from the doomsayer, and to always bring a light source with you in you go into the Mole's lair.

• Accepting a teleport – Make sure you know where the location is before you accept a teleport from another player. The Ice Plateau is in the Wilderness, and there are often a group of PKers lying in wait there.

• "Rare" Items - many players will ask inflated prices for items claiming they are rare. If in doubt, please check the current price by asking another player.

• Alt-F4 – some players will claim that dropping your items and pressing Alt-F4 will double your items. All it will do is log you out, so they can pick up your stuff. (F5 may do the same thing by refreshing your browser page).
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23-Feb-2013 17:51:08 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2013 05:57:04 by Motley Crue

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• Rushing The Trade – Some players may start closing the trade window and claiming there is lag – trying to rush you into trading quickly by repeatedly closing their trade window, so they can alter the trade without you noticing. Only trade when you have had PLENTY of time to check the trade screens and ensure all is well.

• Meet me in the Wilderness/Come into the Wilderness with me – The only reason someone wants to meet you in the Wilderness is so they can kill you and steal your items. Only trade in SAFE places, and don't go into the Wilderness with anything you aren't willing to lose.

* The Flower Game – You will be asked to hand over some cash for the bet, then the player will plant a flower seed and ask you to guess which of the nine colors of flower the seed will produce. If you guess correctly, the player will claim to double your money. They may keep to their side of the bargain, but it’s more likely that they will log out and run off with your cash.

* Team Item Scamming – Many players will club together to try to scam you * one will be selling an item for a high price, the other will claim to be buying the same item for a higher price. This will fool some players into thinking that they can make a quick sale and large profit if they buy and sell the items being offered. Don’t be fooled by this! Always try to be aware of the current prices of items.

* Trade me your item for a minute, I'll give it back/ Lend me an Item - Don't believe them, they'll probably run away with your stuff. Your items are yours, so it's best you hold on to them. Remember the Lending system didn't exist yet, so it's impossible to tell if someone is lying to you or not.

* Gem Cutting - Though not always a scam, don’t hand an inventory full of gems to anyone offering to cut them – it's likely they are saying that to steal your gems.
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23-Feb-2013 17:51:15 - Last edited on 04-Feb-2015 02:45:10 by Motley Crue

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• Set your pass.word to [...] and log out for free stuff - If you do this, they will hijack your account (because they now know what your pass.word is) and steal anything valuable. Report players doing this for scamming.

• "Hey look, Jagex blocks your pass.word when you say it backwards!" - Don't be fooled by this. Often times Players will say that, and proceed to say a cuss word that is censored by the filter in order for you to try it. Don't listen to players saying this, they will steal your account. Report players for this under scamming.

• Fake drop party - The scammer will claim that he's dropping valuable items and encourage you to drop yours. While a drop party may be legitimate, if a player asks you to drop yours as well, that's when it becomes a scam.

• "Give me your item and I'll duplicate it" - It isn't possible to duplicate items. They simply won't give it back.

• "Whoever drops the most valuable item will win a prize!" - The scammer will just pick up your item and keep it. Don't fall for things such as this. Remember to use common sense.

• Selling identical items - Watch the second screen carefully when players offer to trade high priced items for your high priced items. Some players will switch items into their trade window that look like the real thing, but are not. Watch the trade window carefully, and be sure to read the items carefully that the other player is trading to you.

• "Put your items on my table and they'll dupe!" POH - Players sometimes will invite you to their Player owned house, where they'll ask you to put your items on a table or other object within their home and tell you it will duplicate, or something along those lines. The player will simply kick you from their house, then take your items when they appear. Never believe people who say they can duplicate items, as this is not possible.
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23-Feb-2013 17:51:25 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2013 05:56:02 by Motley Crue

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• "Rewarding Kindness" - This line is stated to trick you into thinking that if you give those saying it items or money they will reward you for your "kindness". This is simply untrue, they will take whatever gesture of kindness you traded them and leave or continue spamming the phrase. If you really want to be kind to these type of players, remind them that scamming is against the rules, and perhaps even offer them a few money making methods they can try out, instead of ones with less than honest intentions.

• "Trade me 100k for a surprise/You won't regret it!" - Similar to rewarding kindness, this will trick you into giving these players money for an implied surprise or reward. Contrary to the phrase itself, you WILL regret it, and the only surprise you'll get out of it is how surprisingly fast you just lost a ton of hard earned wealth. Don't fall for this, regardless of how tempting it seems.
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23-Feb-2013 17:51:31 - Last edited on 08-Feb-2016 01:47:55 by Motley Crue

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• Tips and Tricks •

- Always concentrate carefully when trading with another player.

- Always keep a close eye on the other player's trade window.

- Don't let people pressure you when trading.

- Remember you cannot duplicate items on RuneScape.

- Always use common sense.

- Stay informed on current prices and other features of the game.

- If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

- Never take anything to areas of high risk that you're not willing to lose.

- Remember, the lending system didn't exist yet. Don't listen to anyone saying otherwise.
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23-Feb-2013 17:51:37 - Last edited on 08-Feb-2016 01:40:15 by Motley Crue

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• Areas to be aware of •

Note: If anyone asks you to come into any of the following places, be wary, and don't ever go into the following places with anything you're not willing to lose.

* The Wilderness - Don't take anything in there you're not willing to lose. Likewise, don't listen to people who urge you to follow them in there.

• Falador Park Giant Mole Cave - If you descend into the cave without a light source, you will be attacked by a swarm of bugs. Don't ever venture into the cave without a light source and/or a tinderbox.

• Lumbridge Cellar Caves - Bring the best lantern you can light, a tinderbox, and/or a spiny helmet to ward off wall beasts, gasses and bugs that will attack you when your light goes out. Don't ever venture into the caves without a light source.

• Lumbridge Swamp Caves - Don't descend into the caves without a light source, or else you will be attacked by bugs. Also, don't take an open light source, such as a candle or torch, as they can explode if you come into contact with swamp gas. Also remember to bring a tinderbox, and/or a spiny helm to ward off wall beasts and antipoisons.

• Brimhaven Player Owned House Portal - Be wary of players asking you to follow them to their Player Owned Houses, especially if their house is located in Brimhaven. There are tribesman nearby that can poison you. If you do plan on following a player to their portal in Brimhaven, come prepared with antipoisons and/or an emergency teleport.

• Rogue's Den - Players will often put trades up in the Trading Post or elsewhere and when you contact them about it they will tell you to meet them in the Rogue's Den on a PvP World. Despite there being a bank there it is not classed as a safe area, and this will often deceive players who meet the traders there only to find some high level players waiting to kill them.
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23-Feb-2013 17:51:44 - Last edited on 08-Feb-2016 01:39:32 by Motley Crue

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• Tips for Reporting Scammers •

You may be feeling anxious that your reports aren't being looked at. Reports do get looked at eventually, it just takes time. The reports system works on a first come, first serve basis. That means that your report will get looked at whenever they've sifted through the huge load of ones before you. Sometimes the report system can be backed up quite aways, that's why it can take weeks, sometimes months before you notice any action being taken against the account. Some things you can do to make sure a report will be actioned faster:

- Don't encourage others around you to report someone for scamming
- Don't send in multiple reports of the same player

In doing this it actually slows down the process because now the team needs to work through all the extra reports along with the original.

Scammers also have to have either talked or traded with you to report them. Reason being is Jagex needs the trade history and the chat history to deduce if the player was indeed scamming. It is especially annoying trying to report people in crowded worlds, as with all the autotypers around, chat maybe stays on the chat window for 20 seconds, much too early to file a report in time. Your best bet is to report someone as soon as they attempt to scam you, that way at least some trade history will be recorded. You have a one minute window of time from when the scam takes place to file a report, so you have to have keen judgement in situations such as this.

If you see someone else being scammed by a scammer, go ahead and report them for encouraging rule breaking. That alone will at the least send a report and jagex can put 2 and 2 together from there.
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23-Feb-2013 17:51:51 - Last edited on 08-Feb-2016 01:40:29 by Motley Crue

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Thanks to both of you, and Zuzu, I'm not entirely sure they're going to create a client for this game, atleast, not anytime soon. If you'd like to play it securely, I suggest setting up a good firewall on your computer, have a good pass.word, and set up JAG.
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23-Feb-2013 23:49:47

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BeMusing - More will be added as myself and the community become aware of them. So I wouldn't count on it.

ZuZu - That's strange. The only thing I can guess is she got a RAT. :/

Chill - Good example of the "Rare" items scam.
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24-Feb-2013 02:25:24 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2013 02:56:01 by Motley Crue

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Yeah, gotta watch out for stuff like that, N H.

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• Armour trimming – No one can 'trim' your armour - it can be either 'trimmed' or 'untrimmed'. It is not possible to trim untrimmed armour. Trimmed armour can be gained by completing clue scrolls.

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it can be either 'trimmed' or 'untrimmed'

it can be either 'trimmed' or 'untrimmed'

it can be either 'trimmed' or 'untrimmed'

-Okay,

Don't you mean "can't"?

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I'm referring to armor. It can be either regular armor (untrimmed) or trimmed armor, that you obtain from clue scrolls.
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28-Feb-2013 23:39:32

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Thanks Shadow. I think that fits best in with my advice regarding checking the trade window, staying informed, and the trading of identical items/claiming an item is more than what it's worth. You're welcome to keep it on your thread, however I won't be copying it over onto mine, as I've already basically covered it, only more generally.

Thanks again.
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12-Mar-2013 01:23:06

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Thanks, Arima. :)

Vizari, that's unfortunate. :/ Always be cautious of players that want to meet you at their houses. As for posting his name here, that violates the naming and shaming players rule, as there would be no proof, but rather, one persons word vs. another persons word. Best thing you can do is report the player in game for scamming.
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15-Mar-2013 23:46:28

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That falls under "selling identical items". Tell people being tricked into doing this to check the second trade window carefully, and remind them clue scroll caskets are intradable.
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17-Mar-2013 01:51:23 - Last edited on 17-Mar-2013 01:52:28 by Motley Crue

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Mick Jenkins said:
This seems like common knowledge to me as a Runescape player... who actually falls for this stuff under normal circumstances?


Some people are not very knowledgeable of the game, some are new players.

Butterfly,

Just be patient. If he has been reported once then he will be dealt with soon. Multiple reports of this player will only result in slower action being taken against his account.
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22-Jul-2013 00:00:24

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Reports take a bit of time to be looked at, and with RS3 recently being launched, the Jmods are a bit more focused on the main game a the moment. Once the hype dies down they will get back to Old School and start dealing with reports faster. Patience my dear.
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23-Jul-2013 16:44:11

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I believe it is okay to report scamming if the scammer doesn't succeed in scamming you, and I would hope that would be the case, rather than having to be scammed just to have the scammers punished. I'd go ahead and report them for the attempt.
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01-Aug-2013 23:30:30

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Thanks Lesley. :P And I know they don't, but every little bit helps. At the least if they find this thread after they've been scammed they can keep an eye out for other ones mentioned here to ensure they aren't scammed in the future.
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29-Aug-2013 21:45:09

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That was a phishing link. Never fall for the youtube video scams. You should have reported them for scamming. If you want to take it a step further, forward the link to Jagex at reportphishing@jagex.c om and they will take it down.
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24-Nov-2013 23:28:45

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The problem with this is there is no pricing system. There is nothing in the game to hold, record, and collect pricing data. This is why we can't have lootshare and coinshare.

Regarding your suggestion, that's basically what the old trade limit did, and nobody wants to see that return.
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12-Dec-2013 01:51:41

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Yup, because they're those PvP Worlds. It was hysteria the day of their release and following, because the worlds weren't colored red yet. We were in like a state of emergency and had to get the old school team's attention about it as fast as we could.
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01-Jan-2014 15:49:54

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Cyanid said:
PopeDrFreud said:
Motley Crue said:
Fairly certain I have rushing the trade listed. In any case you should always watch the trade window carefully. If someone is rushing your trade, it's just not worth it.


I only added as they do not have to rush the trade. It's more of the window looks correct but is not.


Which is why you take the extra few seconds to make certain that it is correct.


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This basically. Always scrutinize the second trade window.
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06-Jan-2014 01:50:27

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They won't be able to reimburse your lost items unfortunately.

Best bet would be to scan your computer, remove any malicious material, and change your pass word. Just be patient and wait for the email to arrive for further instruction.
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06-Jan-2014 22:47:11

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Indeed. It's easy for us more experienced and older players to say. This guide is aimed more towards our less mature audience in hopes of preventing the preventable. I'll echo the words I've always said, knowledge is power, the greatest weapon is education in these circumstances.
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22-Jul-2014 21:32:30

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Yes he was, there is a graphical glitch with laying coins on top of coins that he "wanted to see if it works". You would have dropped them and it would have looked like only the 3 coins but then he'd trade you and while the trade screen is up and you're distracted he'll take your coins.
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23-Aug-2014 04:04:47

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Not much you can do to get your money back sorry. You did the right thing reporting it though - rest assured the account will be investigated and punished if they do find it had scammed.

Always scrutinize that second trade window carefully.
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05-Oct-2014 06:36:53

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Switching identical items is a tricky one for sure, it's always a good idea to check that second trade window to make sure you're getting the items you traded for. If someone is scamming people everyday a report would be a good idea to let Jagex know what's happening.
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04-Nov-2014 16:33:08

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ScapeRune said:
This thread feels a lot like San's thread in osrs general about the game's authenticity. You're warning people about armour trimming, "say your pass backwards" and selling "rare" items which just doesn't happen any more. :P


I did create the thread with the intention of outlining scams that were popular back in this time period. Old School was still fresh at this point so I didn't know what to expect.
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05-Dec-2014 23:21:32

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Sorry to hear that, in the future it would be best if you weren't so naive and tread with caution. When players ask you to drop items, especially expensive ones and then you trade them that should immediately raise red flags as that almost always means they are planning to scam you out of whatever item you dropped. Be sure to report these players for scamming so Jagex can take action against them.
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23-Dec-2014 00:47:04

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FriendlyLion said:
Hey MotleyCrue!

dont know if this was mentioned yet but there is a common luring technique in the fight pit area.

someone will look for a level 3 skiller who is selling a large amount of one item, and they will tell them to meet them in the volcano in karamja because theyre "training"
now before they come, the person luring the victim will ask him to purchase some karamja rums for him and that they need them and will pay extra for them. Upon entering the area the rums will explode killing the level 3 skillers.
While this is probably not going to be a problem anymore due to the release of the grand exchange, i just want people to know so they wont lose their hard earned money.

Thank you!

FriendlyLion


Yeah I think the G.E. will have made that scam obsolete, thanks nonetheless for posting it.

Thanks West.
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09-Mar-2015 02:28:18

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RemmaLemma said:
Great post, very thorough. I think it covers pretty much all of the scams that are used to trick new (and sometimes experienced) players. Among these things I would add the scam where someone tells you to trade them money and whoever trades them the most gets a big amount like 1m.


That falls under the trust trades segment of the post.
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11-Mar-2015 15:35:47

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SD capricorn said:
just been lured alot of cash :@. Its all my fault for being gullible but can anything be done about it i.e. get the stuff back?


Unfortunately not. :/ If you report them then you have the peace of mind that you took the fall in order to save other players from suffering the same fate.
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31-May-2015 18:06:23

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You should have reported them when it happened, that would have been your best chance at getting them punished. Seeing as you failed to act in time it's unlikely you'll be able to. Still if you're able it wouldn't hurt to report them now after the fact, with a little luck Jagex can investigate the account and look for any shady looking trades and if not take action from that alone at least have the account on their radar. The good news is that lurers don't usually stop after one lure, they are a chronic disease to the community which means eventually they will do this again and hopefully be reported and justice served then. There's nothing you can do for Jagex to reimburse your lost items unfortunately. With a little research you can look up some money making methods that are best suited for you and get back on your feet as soon as possible.
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09-Jul-2015 23:57:02

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Anti scamming against the rules - no. Something you should actively attempt? Definitely not.

Not only is there the chance you could wind up reported and actually made to look like the scammer in the situation, anti-scams/lures often don't work and you end up losing your stuff anyway. Especially when you have some seemingly random person come along and try to explain that they were scammed by this guy and before you are too let me explain how you can anti scam him and get revenge plus all his gold. Then it turns out they are in on it too and the "anti-scam/lure" is actually a part of the scam and is how they set you up for it.

So no, I wouldn't recommend trying it. Also naming and shaming can indeed hurt someone if the person being named and shamed turns out to be innocent. Which is why it's not allowed on the forums. You may want to edit out that name.
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