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Boabies
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Title says it all. We have a community that's frightened of PKers and will do anything to spite vote against them. I thought you guys learned your lessons with revs and statuettes. Anything that benefits PKers need to be classified as an integrity update since it won't pass the polls.

Since luring nubnubs into the wilderness to be victims won't work, we should force them to anti-PK by preventing them from leaving the wilderness until they PK a couple of targets.

02-Feb-2019 04:38:59

rishinger l

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Honestly, blessed d hide should be 75 DEFENCE.

It is superior to black d hide, which requries 40 defence.

So why is it being polled to have NO DEFENCE requirements?

it makes literally ZERO sense.

02-Feb-2019 04:45:40 - Last edited on 02-Feb-2019 05:09:51 by rishinger l

FisherGaming

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Boabies said:
Title says it all.
No.

Things like that should be polled, not forced in.

Boabies said:
We have a community that's frightened of PKers and will do anything to spite vote against them.
Nope. Not afraid of PKers. They just don't like PKers.

The vote is not to spite them; it's because they don't want to give pures even more power at no increased sacrifice.

If you want the blessed gear, you should level your Defence for it.

Boabies said:
I thought you guys learned your lessons with revs and statuettes.
They did, hopefully, which is precisely why they aren't forcing in PKer friendly updates against the will of the majority again.

Boabies said:
Anything that benefits PKers need to be classified as an integrity update
Just because you don't get what you want doesn't make it an integrity issue. The community doesn't want it. Just because you do doesn't mean it should be forced in.

rishinger l said:
Honestly, blessed d hide should be 75 DEFENCE.

It is superior to black d hide, which requries 70 defence.

So why is it being polled to have NO DEFENCE requirements?
Because the regular version has no Defence requirement. The poll is for consistency between the requirements.

It has the same stats, save for the Prayer bonus and Armadyl weighs slightly less.
I'll keep score from now on.
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02-Feb-2019 04:58:32

rishinger l

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Yeah the prayer bonus..hence it's superior to black d hide.

Therefore because it's superior its defence requirment shoudl be HIGHER then black d'hide.

Maaaybe tied with armadyl.

There is no logical reason that a set of armour that is only 2 POINTS different in it's defence bonuses compared to armadyl, the highest tier of ranged armour should have a ZERO defense requirment.


also "the regular version has no defence requirment."

If by 'regular' version do you mean black d hide?

Black d hide has a 40 defence requirment.

This is SUPERIOR to black dragon hide.

There is NO reason for it to have a ZERO defence requirment..

The ONLY people it benefits are the lazy players, and the pures.

Who are a group that WILLINGLY limit themselves by choosing not to level defence...and then somehow have the nerve to complain that they don't get everything in the game handed to them.

02-Feb-2019 05:03:03 - Last edited on 02-Feb-2019 05:12:10 by rishinger l

FisherGaming

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rishinger l said:
Yeah the prayer bonus..hence it's superior to black d hide.

Therefore because it's superior its defence requirment shoudl be HIGHER then black d'hide.
Actually, I think it'd make a lot more sense to have a higher Prayer requirement.

It doesn't really make sense to require higher Defence (i.e., higher than 1) for a gear that offers no more Defence bonuses than its counterpart.

However, since it offers more Prayer bonus, perhaps it should require 40 Prayer instead?

This might still be accessible to some pures, but many pures stop at 13 Prayer for Protect Item.

rishinger l said:
There is no logical reason that a set of armour that is only 2 POINTS different in it's defence bonuses compared to armadyl, the highest tier of ranged armour should have a ZERO defense requirment.
Then why have you not made a suggestion to increase the Defence requirement of Black D'hide to 70, since the Defence bonuses are exactly the same as the blessed variants?

Also, you're just incorrect about the difference in Defence bonuses. Armadyl offers MUCH more protection.

Armadyl:
94 Stab
80 Slash
105 Crush
120 Magic
98 Ranged


Black D'hide:
90 Stab
79 Slash
103 Crush
82 Magic
94 Ranged


rishinger l said:
Who are a group that WILLINGLY limit themselves by choosing not to level defence...and then somehow have the nerve to complain that they don't get everything in the game handed to them.
True, but what they're asking for with this poll is reasonable.

Black D'hide requires no Defence, so why does the blessed variant? That's the question they're asking.

Basically the poll is for consistency.

Just swap it the other way around. Add a Defence requirement to normal version, and the poll is essentially trying to achieve the same thing: consistency.

I voted no because pures deserve nothing, but I can at least understand where they are coming from.
I'll keep score from now on.
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02-Feb-2019 06:05:01

rishinger l

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You keep saying "Black D'hide requires no Defence"

https://oldschoolrunescape.fandom.com/wiki/Black_d%27hide_body

as i keep saying black d hide requires 40 DEFENCE.

the THIRD BEST RANGED ARMOUR required 40 defence.

and they are polling for the SECOND BEST RANGED ARMOUR to have ZERO DEFENCE.



Surely you have to see the lack of logic there.

02-Feb-2019 06:17:43

FisherGaming

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rishinger l said:
You keep saying "Black D'hide requires no Defence"

https://oldschoolrunescape.fandom.com/wiki/Black_d%27hide_body

as i keep saying black d hide requires 40 DEFENCE.
That's only the body, because of some weird inconsistencies regarding Dragon Slayer. Green D'hide bodies require Dragon Slayer, but Blue, Red, and Black don't. Yet they all require the associated 40 Defence.

What is being polled is the chaps and vambraces specifically. Read the questions.

Question 1: Should the Defence requirement found on Blessed forms of D'hide Chaps be removed? Currently they require 40 Defence to equip.

Question 2: Should the Defence requirement found on Blessed forms of D'hide Vambraces be removed? Currently they require 40 Defence to equip.

Now look at these wiki pages:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Black_d%27hide_chaps
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Black_d%27hide_vamb
I'll keep score from now on.
A: 3 | M: -1 | Tr: 0 | Tu: -2 |

02-Feb-2019 06:29:17

rishinger l

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FisherGaming said:
rishinger l said:
You keep saying "Black D'hide requires no Defence"

https://oldschoolrunescape.fandom.com/wiki/Black_d%27hide_body

as i keep saying black d hide requires 40 DEFENCE.
That's only the body, because of some weird inconsistencies regarding Dragon Slayer. Green D'hide bodies require Dragon Slayer, but Blue, Red, and Black don't. Yet they all require the associated 40 Defence.

What is being polled is the chaps and vambraces specifically. Read the questions.

Question 1: Should the Defence requirement found on Blessed forms of D'hide Chaps be removed? Currently they require 40 Defence to equip.

Question 2: Should the Defence requirement found on Blessed forms of D'hide Vambraces be removed? Currently they require 40 Defence to equip.

Now look at these wiki pages:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Black_d%27hide_chaps
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Black_d%27hide_vamb



Well if we're going consistency then make the entire set require 40, or more defence.

It is not a good game decision to make the second best ranged armor acceptable to pures.

...because lets be honest this update ONLY benefits pures.

And if pures are voluntarily limiting themselves then they have no right no complain when certain content is locked to them.


But here is the main point.....this shouldn't even be a poll.

This is giving some of the strongest armour in the game to people for literally nothing...and jagex are considering it in a poll.

They should flatout be saying no and move on.

If by some chance this hits 75% then it will completely break many aspects of the game.

The main point im trying to make is things like this should NOT be left to the whim of the community.

02-Feb-2019 06:46:59

FisherGaming

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rishinger l said:
this shouldn't even be a poll.
Why?

rishinger l said:
If by some chance this hits 75% then it will completely break many aspects of the game.
Calm down. You're overreacting.

It's literally +2 Prayer bonus. You think +2 Prayer bonus is going to break many aspects of the game? That's insane.

Vote no and move on. It's going to fail the poll anyway, so relax.
I'll keep score from now on.
A: 3 | M: -1 | Tr: 0 | Tu: -2 |

02-Feb-2019 07:22:27 - Last edited on 02-Feb-2019 07:23:43 by FisherGaming

rishinger l

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FisherGaming said:
rishinger l said:
this shouldn't even be a poll.
Why?



Because ALL dragon hide ranged armour should have a 40 defence minimum...not JUST the bodies and blessed equipment.

The second and third best armours for magic and melee all require 60-70 defence....it's ridiculous that only ranged has the requirements for those armors at either 40, or zero.

If you want to balance the game then have the second best and third best ranged armours tied to a defence level of 50 and 60 minimum.

02-Feb-2019 07:44:23

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