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OK. Some of you here may be aware of my thoughts on The Godless, and I even once tried to make a thread about it, but it was locked and subsequently eaten by Chewy because it was "flamebait" and "inciting violence" or something.

The title -- "I Think The Godless Are Stupid," was perhaps an issue, but I maintained I kept my posts constructive. As a result, I think that it's acceptable for me to try and make this thread again, with a more civil title.

(If this is not the case and even constructive criticism of factions is unacceptable, then, well, slap me thrice and hand me to my Momma OK lock this thread. I would hope that wouldn't be the case, however.)

Aight! Please let me finish this thread before posting. I will post a "You may now post!" post when I'm done. Thanks! :)
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03-Sep-2016 22:24:31

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I think the entire concept and idea behind the Godless is completely flawed and, quite frankly, bad storytelling on Jagex' part.

The Godless intend to rid the world of "Gods," right?

Well, a "God" in RuneScape is basically a really, really powerful leader -- one that represents a cause, philosophy, or fights for an idea -- with the minor clause that there is a threshold between where one is a "mortal" (because Gods are technically mortal by some means, too), and where one is a "God." This threshold basically says that anyone beyond the threshold does not get to live on in the afterlife, rather they explode into divine energy and turn into a rock, or whatever (as opposed to anyone before the threshold, where someone goes into the afterlife).

Well, I'll get to the threshold later. First, let me address the "powerful leader" bit.

The thing is, take away the Gods, and you'll still have powerful leaders. You'll still have leaders standing for causes, and those leaders trying to amass more and more power to further their cause, and you'll still have the followers willing to fight and (in some cases) die for their cause, etc.

You'll still have destruction, and you'll still basically have Gods. They won't be "Gods" in the sense that they may not have crossed that threshold, but they'll still be the most powerful beings around. It doesn't matter how much or how little power someone has, if comparatively, there is nothing beyond them. They will still be respected and/or feared for their power, as they will be above the collective majority.

This has been seen in Gielinor's own history, where beings like Hazeel are worhsipped by a cult, and other leaders who seek to and eventually do amass power for their cause are also followed and revered by followers and believers of their cause(s) (see: Kings and Queens).
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03-Sep-2016 22:37:17 - Last edited on 03-Sep-2016 22:53:50 by Fat N Wacky

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Now, as far as The Godless and the threshold go --

The Godless, wanting to eliminate anything and everything beyond that threshold, but being OK with anything and everything below it, are basically just setting a standard for the amount of destruction that is "acceptable" and the amount of destruction that is "unacceptable."

Think about it:

The Godless, in the end, just want to prevent mass-scale destruction. Right? Because "that's what Gods do." So, they're using the threshold between mortality and Godhood to represent the line between how much destruction is acceptable and how much isn't.

First of all, how can any being morally justify quantifying a certain amount of destruction as "acceptable"?

But beyond that -- Destruction is necessary. It is a necessary evil. You can't just magically eliminate any kind of destruction. Destruction is necessary for creation, for one (see: Invention, or really any other skill/pair of skills), but beyond that, destruction comes from disagreement. Disagreement breeds conflict, which breeds destruction. You can't create a world without disagreement, because we're all different.

Conclusively, the entirety of the idea behind The Godless is completely and utterly flawed, and therefore, is bad storytelling on Jagex' part.
"Being Different is Being Remembered"

03-Sep-2016 22:46:26 - Last edited on 03-Sep-2016 23:02:04 by Fat N Wacky

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I don't know where we can go from here or how this can be "fixed," but like... I don't know, man. If anyone has any ideas, feel free to shoot them out, but like... this has always bothered me, to my core.

I just think a better job could've been done with this entire thing. I'm OK with Guthix' character and I understand that characters are flawed and I understand his motivations and everything and that's fine, but for there to be so many people (NPCs and players alike) who just don't see this and are blind to the sheer impossibility of their cause, just bothers me. I had to say this. The first step to fixing a problem, is acknowledging the fact that it's there.

I hope this is an OK post for me to have made, and that nothing here was in violation of the RSOF rules. If there is something in direct violation of the RSOF rules, if possible, please let me know so that I can change it, rather than just locking the thread. If not, when you lock it, please counsel me on what was the unacceptable bit, and I'll re-make the thread without that.
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03-Sep-2016 22:50:56

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Haven't had much time to reply yet, but I have been reading the replies (which, by the way, have been far friendlier than the ones I got on Reddit... thank you for not being jerks).

A Mighty said:
My problem with the Godless is that they only see 2 groups of individuals: gods and mortals. There are many problems with this. First, there are beings who seem to fall into a gray area between the two (such as the World Guardian ourself!) Also, they seem to be fine with destruction of environments, anima, etc. as long as it isn't being done in the name of a god.

Not to mention their task is nigh impossible. If they did manage to somehow kill all the gods, it would hardly remove their influence. If anything, their followers would be more inclined to sacrifice themselves for their cause, and if the Godless were directly responsible for the killings of a god, the followers would target the Godless. And if they killed multiple gods, I could see a temporary alliance of the remaining members of the deceased gods' factions to eliminate the Godless, who do not have the resources nor the manpower to survive such an assault.


Good points. Anyone care to tackle them?
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05-Sep-2016 04:46:17

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