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Hmm. OK. I read through the first page of posts, and I think I've got a pretty good idea of what I want to say here.

I definitely wouldn't go the way of the Godless. Quite frankly, I think their entire purpose is flawed and their objective(s) are unattainable. Think about it: The Godless want to rid the world of Gods. In truth, however, what is a God? A God is a powerful leader for some cause, plight, or philosophy, etc. Take away all the current Gods, as the Godless wants -- What's left? Powerful leaders -- STILL. You can't rid the world of leaders, and you can't rid the world of *powerful* leaders. Leaders will always exist, just as followers will always exist. Leaders will always seek to amass power to further their cause, and followers will always support their leader and help to further the corresponding cause as best they can.

Furthermore, the Elder Gods are, in fact, a thing. Say what you will, but the Godless are not about to single-handedly eliminate the most powerful beings in the multiverse. That's just not realistic. Their plans aren't even concrete -- They barely know what they're doing. The Godless are literally just flailing around trying to eliminate Gods wherever they can and amass followers wherever they can (precisely what the other factions -- all pertaining to a God -- are doing...). Their entire principle is flawed.

Zaros, on the other hand, while he has his flaws, is, simply put, what's best for the world. Seren perhaps contests him on this title, but Zaros strikes me as the most proactive being in the area of attempting to eliminate the Elder Gods. He may be manipulative, he may seem untrustworthy -- he may even be untrustworthy -- but we can at least still trust that he's trying to do something about the sole biggest threat to every living thing's well-being in the universe right now (the Elder Gods, again).

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30-Aug-2016 05:47:06

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The best part about Zaros is he doesn't care about the "petty" God Wars anymore. He just needs our support at the correct moments to help bring down the sole biggest threat to the well-being of every living thing in the RuneScape multiverse.

I personally see that as a HUUUUUGE advantage over the other Gods (beyond the whole actually-having-a-plan-and-being-proactive-against-the-Elder-Gods thing), because it allows [some of] the other Gods to coexist with him.

For example: Armadyl's whole thing is Justice. That has literally nothing to do with Zaros and his current ambitions. Armadyl is someone I can see coexisting with Zaros, because Armadyl could be focused more on the individual issues -- say, should someone rob someone else or murder someone else, and therefore have the perpetrator face judgment and receive justice -- while Zaros takes care of the bigger picture.

I would kind of like to say the same thing about Zamorak. His entire philosophy is "strength through chaos" -- He also has nothing to do with Zaros' current ambitions, he's just about rising up above the crowd despite all the crap being thrown at you. He's about the individual. Zamorak I honestly see as practically a motivational speaker -- But again, my point is, he and what he stands for basically have nothing to do with Zaros' current goals, and if they can just stop being stubborn and put their past crap behind themselves, they could probably coexist quite well.

Just to give an opposing example... Saradomin could absolutely not coexist with Zaros, as he has this obsession with being the one and true, only Lord of the Seven Kingdoms (lol, but you catch my drift). I honestly find him more in line with how Zaros was in the past -- obsessed with controlling everything and sitting at the top, above everyone. This would not sit well with Zaros, because Zaros wants (and honestly, considering the current state of things, he kinda needs) to be in control of the bigger picture.
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30-Aug-2016 05:47:15 - Last edited on 30-Aug-2016 05:55:41 by Fat N Wacky

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Adventurerrr said:
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Lol

Let me say one thing, then (that kind of re-opens the gaping hole I poked in everything about the Godless):

It doesn't matter how much (or how little) power someone has over others, if comparatively there is nothing beyond them -- more powerful than them. They will be the most powerful being in the world, and the weaker beings will, therefore, fear and/or respect them for their power. Plus -- Gods ARE kill-able, they're still mortal. They're a hell of a lot harder to kill, but they can still be killed, as has been seen countless times throughout history. The only thing that really sets them apart is that threshold Jagex has imposed -- which, when passed, prevents someone from passing on into the afterlife. That is supposedly what makes someone a "God," when they've passed that threshold. But, honestly... I think that's poor storytelling on Jagex' part, because that threshold doesn't really do anything. It doesn't do a good job of setting Gods apart from other beings, aside from marking an "official point" -- a line -- which, when crossed, turns someone into a God. That's all it does.

But, with or without that, beings will still amass power and beings will still follow the powerful. Look at Hazeel -- He's no God, but he still amassed followers in the 5th age, a cult following. Kings and other sorts of Leaders also have a following, as you yourself mentioned -- And oftentimes, they don't participate in the battles and wars, either. They have their followers do the fighting. The entire purpose and idea behind The Godless is completely flawed, seriously.

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03-Sep-2016 21:56:45

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The only difference between Gods and less-powerful leaders would be the level of destruction caused. That's a spectrum, and generally the more powerful the individual(s), the more destruction caused. Even that's flawed, though. For one, destruction is necessary for creation (see: Invention, or really any other skill/pair of skills), and destruction is a result of conflict. Conflict is also a necessary evil, and not something that you can just rid the world of. Any kind of disagreement breeds conflict, and conflict, in turn, breeds some kind of destruction.

The most the Godless would be doing would be drawing a line that says, "OK. Any amount of destruction before this level that this line represents, is acceptable. Any amount of destruction beyond the level that this line represents, is unacceptable."

And how are you going to quantify that? How in the world are you going to justifiably, acceptably quantify the acceptability and unacceptability of certain amounts of destruction?

Anyways, I'm going to go make a thread on this in a second, but yeah. Hope you understand.
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03-Sep-2016 21:56:56 - Last edited on 03-Sep-2016 22:00:29 by Fat N Wacky

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