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Cthris

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Remember that Seren experimented on the elves for ages, which according to that book you get from running laps on the agility course, immensely changed their appearance. I reckon the inconsistent pigmentation stems from that. Nice question :)

26-Aug-2015 22:50:45 - Last edited on 26-Aug-2015 22:51:17 by Cthris

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The Meilyer section.

In fact, it could be that elves were originally humans, and all differences between you and us are due to Seren's changes. Perhaps many mortal races - even all - were once the same, and the differences are just the work of the gods. We will probably never know.

27-Aug-2015 03:01:16

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Rondstat said:
Why should we assume elves even have melanin? Perhaps the colour of their skin is a much more malleable trait. The same litter of cats can have calicos, tabbies, and colour points. I see no reason why a light skinned and dark skinned elf couldn't be siblings.

I've always thought it rather refreshing that RS doesn't use the old Tolkien archetype of elves as beautiful ageless Aryans, and introduces a little variation. There's no reason from them to be black, but there's also no reason for them to be white.


If you jump on board with the meilyr theory that elves and humans stemmed from the same evolutionary ancestor, which makes a lot of sense as otherwise you would have to assume that there was an insane amount of convergent evolution to make very very similar humanoid races, then this would probably not be the case, and elves would probably develop skin pigmentation very similar to humans.

Similar to this topic, Hazelmere is black, is he not? The thing is that gnomes spent the entire God Wars underground, so that is roughly 4000 years. Op do you know how many generations of living underground would turn a race albino? From an evolutionary stand point, should Hazelmere still have his dark pigmentation after his ancestors had spent so long underground. Do keep in mind that gnomes can live quite a bit longer then a human.

28-Aug-2015 03:59:11 - Last edited on 28-Aug-2015 04:05:20 by Cthris

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Rondstat said:
Cthris said:


If you jump on board with the meilyr theory that elves and humans stemmed from the same evolutionary ancestor, which makes a lot of sense as otherwise you would have to assume that there was an insane amount of convergent evolution to make very very similar humanoid races, then this would probably not be the case, and elves would probably develop skin pigmentation very similar to humans.


Significant convergent evolution is absolutely a thing in the Runescape multiverse.


Actually I do not think so. Lots of it can be explained by portals. The most popular theory is that an ancestor to the human race which originated on Terragard unknowingly activated the scism and managed to teleport themselves around the multiverse, these isolated groups of human predecessors would evolve differently in the different environments of the worlds creating icyene, werewolves, elves and monkeys etc. As far as gnomes, dwarves, and leprachans go, there is nothing to suggest that they did not come from terragard. In fact the absence of their world in the world gate greatly supports this as the gate was supposed to contain all the places that guthix and zaros had visited, and supposedly used to bring races to gielinor. As there is no dwarf, or gnome world on there, and we know that guthix had visited a world filled with stout workers, we could assume that the world of stout diligent workers was actually terraguard.

Then you also have to factor in that Saradomin spread the humans through the multi-verse and who knows who preformed genetic mutilations on them.

Finally we know that the elder gods but very basic life forms on all the worlds, so that can be used to explain how we can have say a hell rat from infernus and a rat from gielinor.

The dreams of mah look humanoid because mah made them look humanoid, there wasnt any evolution required.

28-Aug-2015 04:23:09 - Last edited on 28-Aug-2015 04:24:17 by Cthris

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Hguoh said:
Cthris said:


My pet theory is that the Schism is actually the path the elders took on their way through the multiverse, literally ripping through the fabric of space-time and leaving behind an unstable location on any given plane (ex: the Daemonheim Rift). This would explain why both the Rift and Schism can open onto any plane with so little energy as the passage of the elders left a direct route along their journey (much like the World Gate is the result of the elder blade creating a direct path without obstacles between multiple planes).

Of course, I can't prove the theory, but it would be interesting if it were true.


That reminds me of the Flume network from this book series I read when i was little called Pendragon :) I like your theory, sounds very likely.

28-Aug-2015 04:44:52

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Rondstat said:
@Kastor: I understand this thought, and I think there probably are some races in the Runescape multiverse that share a common ancestor - it's speculated by at least 3 characters ingame, and the human diaspora is a major lore point. But I also think humanoids, for whatever reason, just tend to occur.

Mah, having never left Freneskae, with no outside knowledge, gave most of her creations a humanoid visage. Human-like creatures are all across the multiverse. And even Infernus, likely the first plane to bear intelligent life, prima facie, gave rise to its own humans (demons like Mazc*na and Ac*tryn).

There are common ancestors, but there's also probably a heck of a lot of phenotypical convergence. And from where I'm sitting, it looks as likely it could be one or the other for elves.

@Hguoh: That's a really cool theory! Since 1oak's retcon of the origins of Daemonheim dungeons (which, for the record, I think was a good thing), the original theories about the rift have become less relevant, as they'd have to have some appeal to the Kin. This makes a lot of sense, and nicely ties a few different threads together.


I obviously cannot refute anything you say as we lack enough proof for either way, though I am still inclined to disagree with any major amounts of convergent evolution, so I mean I guess we have to leave it at that :).

Though just on the topic of mazacna and ac*tyn, I once asked Mod Jack if there was a race of humanoid demons and if mazacna was a part of it. He just said that Mazacna is a lesser demon and there was no such race. Remember that some demons have been shown to be able to shape shift, ei Neizchiken, the god cape demon, Thammaron etc. which easily explains why those two look humanoid even though there is apparently no actual humanoid demon race.

This was like 2 years ago, and a lot could have changed since then though

28-Aug-2015 05:10:06 - Last edited on 28-Aug-2015 05:12:12 by Cthris

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