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Hazeel
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Kittiwarrior said:
my guess is the generals who are part of the lore fc discord decided, within the discord, to ban you, and then just asked dethal to do it... and deth probably assumed that if this many admins wanted you gone, you probably deserved it


From my understanding that's what happened, yeah. It's just so uncharacteristic of him. He usually takes this kind of thing much more slowly, ensuring the accused party is warned and then compiling all the information before making a decision.
Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

06-May-2018 00:07:49

Cthris
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Nature Rosa said:
mocking

The concept of "to be mocked," as well as the concept of "to be insulted" have always been fascinating to me because of the puzzles that they pose.

For example, imagine a conversation between two people, A & B, who belong to a society where the word "xyz" is normally used as a term to verbally injure the other party. A calls B a "xyz." Most people would agree that A insulted B because he used the word "xyz." There are 3 possible origins of property of "insultingness" that I can think of: the word itself possesses an "insultingness," the intention of A to insult B, and the interpretation of A's word by B.

Imagine two other people, C & D, are having a conversation. They belong to this same society where "xyz" normally used as a term to verbally injure the other party; however, C and D are friends and have appropriated the word as a term of endearment. As such, D says to C, "my xyz" and C is not insulted. Thus, the word itself must not be the cause of the injury. This leaves the intention of A to insult B, and the interpretation of A's word by B as possible origins of the "insultingness" property.

In another conversation, between D & E, D calls E an "xyz," but since D is accustomed to using "xyz" as a term of endearment he has no intention of insulting E; however, E, who is not accustomed to D's idiosyncrasies perceives this as an insult. Therefore, the intention of the one who does verbal harm to the other is not the origin of the insult.

The conclusion remaining is that the origin of the insult is the interpretation of the one who is to be harmed. The question this leads to is who is responsible for the verbal injury. If the injury is contingent on the action of the harmed, i.e. the interpretation, then it would seem like the victim is the one responsible for their own verbal injury. This seems like an absurd conclusion... thus, I cannot locate the source of the "insulting" property.

06-May-2018 00:12:53

Cthris
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Perhaps no one is responsible for anyone's verbal injury, it simply is an inevitable by-product of individuals trying to elicit others to sympathize with one's own private state such that the injured party is unintentional, though sometimes intentioned, elicited into a private mental state that is injurious. The only solution is to not dwell on the ephemeral injury and move onto the next state of consciousness. In other words, let bygones be bygones.

06-May-2018 00:34:45

Hazeel
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I finally managed to hunt down track Dethal. It's as we suspected, some people came to him on Discord, asked for you to be banned, and he did it quickly. From what he's said it doesn't sound like it was meant to be permanent and sees no problem with you returning if you tone it down.

According to Dethal, you have been asked to tone it down before and suggests that in general you avoid doing things like calling people "autistic retards or borderline harass people". He says these aren't specific examples since he doesn't remember what you said.
Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

08-May-2018 16:57:14

Jakir
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Nature Rosa said:
Jakir said:
Hazeel said:
Nothing concrete yet, but I'm hearing that you "told someone they deserved to be raped" and "made fun of someone's autism" among "other things". Haven't gotten any context for it though.


wtf I never said anyone deserved to be raped in the lore fc. I did compare Rosa's autism against my own antisocial nature but I was doing it as self-deprecating humor and not to mock her, she certainly didn't tell me she viewed it that way or showed any signs of having hard feelings about it in the numerous conversations we had after the fact.


I made it clear on many occasions your "jokes" upset me greatly. They were VERY mocking do not lie.


Are you denying we had MULTIPLE conversations after the fact where you acted as though there were absolutely 0 hard feelings between us? Because if so it would be you who is lying.

09-May-2018 09:37:30

Jakir
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Hazeel said:
I finally managed to hunt down track Dethal. It's as we suspected, some people came to him on Discord, asked for you to be banned, and he did it quickly. From what he's said it doesn't sound like it was meant to be permanent and sees no problem with you returning if you tone it down.

According to Dethal, you have been asked to tone it down before and suggests that in general you avoid doing things like calling people "autistic retards or borderline harass people". He says these aren't specific examples since he doesn't remember what you said.


I never said autistic people were retarded and I've never harassed Alex, as I said for 3 days before I was even banned I hadn't said a word to her regardless of the crap she said to me about no one liking me and ect in an attempt to provoke me. I'm extremely disappointed that he would temp ban me with no attempt to contact me first and talk to me about it (or even to let anyone know it was temporary) or look at any screenshots which would have shown that none of these things actually happened.

Seriously if you're going to be completely absent from the things that are going on the least you could do is check for evidence before taking action and leave word with anyone at all about the actions you're going to take. This entire situation reflects very poorly on him.

09-May-2018 09:42:41

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