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Wahisietel
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Kemtros said:
If Sliske were working for Zaros, then what would have even been the point for recommending the sabotage? Zaros blames Sliske for the light simulacrum, and excommunicates him no matter what.


As Sliske himself said - so people not interested in following Zaros would listen to what he had to say, and help him anyway. His suggestion wouldn't have convinced anyone to either hinder or help Zaros - loyal Zarosians would help him no matter what, and those not loyal would just walk away. He ensured that everyone gave Zaros a chance.
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

21-Jul-2016 17:00:59

Sepulchre
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Wahisietel said:
Kemtros said:
If Sliske were working for Zaros, then what would have even been the point for recommending the sabotage? Zaros blames Sliske for the light simulacrum, and excommunicates him no matter what.


As Sliske himself said - so people not interested in following Zaros would listen to what he had to say, and help him anyway. His suggestion wouldn't have convinced anyone to either hinder or help Zaros - loyal Zarosians would help him no matter what, and those not loyal would just walk away. He ensured that everyone gave Zaros a chance.
To quote...
Betrayal?! They could've just walked away, left you to rot! I was just convincing them to hear you out! It was down to you to convince them of your worth!
A
World Guardian
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Only then can they
Control
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22-Jul-2016 05:18:35

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I feel like execution is a bigger issue. It's very easy to write a force of pure, unmotivated evil that's boring and tropey and comes off more ridiculous than anything. But, when written well, a force of unconditional evil can manifest among the most chilling and memorable villains known to fiction.

Nomad wasn't so much a well-developed character in Requiem as he was gatekeeper to a challenging boss fight. But that quest wasn't just about him or the fight. It was about his lair, with its byzantine passages, its failed experiments, its bizarre denizens and clear manipulations of holy/soul/prayer energies. Nomad might not have had a tonne to say, but the quest did. Just what was he doing in there? What were all these implements for?

This is what I loved most about Elegy. It took all these threads, the mysteries of Requiem that might have been forgotten as oddities, and made them significant. Not in some drop of exposition, but in set pieces, mechanics, and clear progressions to the old ideas. It was a sequel made Requiem more fulfilling in retrospect.

Compare this to DAT, and an inexplicable decision that we all know was only made to appease a couple of very vocal lorehounds operating under the false assumption that quest requirements=quest chronology. Does making Nomad's master a white knight enrich the story? Does it add anything to his character? Does it heighten the significance of Requiem?

Nomad's master didn't have to be Lucien. Sliske doesn't have to be a sinister schemer, or a wily jokester. But there's a good way and a bad way to do everything. Most importantly, new developments, not just the checklist of events, but motivations, character development, and tone, NEED to be made with respect to what came before. Which hasn't always happened.

23-Jul-2016 09:22:19

Kemtros
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Excellent analysis of Nomad's master. Thank you, Rondstat. His master not being Lucien wasn't the problem, it was the casual way his master was revealed. It was too random.

And I agree that Elegy was a perfect progression of Requiem, as I especially loved the role Gielinor played. You could very easily dismiss the Decaying Avatar as a failed prototype for the Avatar of Creation, except Elegy took that a step further and bad the Avatars of Creation and Destruction into further prototypes, with Gielinor being the furthest point of Nomad's plan.

So I think that's something Sliske's Endgame needs to keep in mind. With Dishonour Among Thieves, Nomad's role felt as though it was just one of many. While he had unique segments with his recruitment and betrayal, the focus was primarily about Zamorak's heist. In Sliske's Endgame, we're going to see something dealing with the consequences of that quest. I feel that it's important that, if Nomad's story continues into Sliske's Endgame, it could be given proper time to stand out rather than be reduced to just a "moment" in that quest.

23-Jul-2016 16:36:22

Aig123
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The general idea around Nomad's fate would be him becoming another wight.
Or maybe something monstrous like Gregorovic.

Looking back on DaT, Death claimed how Nomad is neither living nor dead, and that he is on borrowed time. Explaining how even Death cannot sever Nomad's soul from his body.

Now if Death and his scythe isn't strong enough to do the job,
would Sliske and the Siphon be able to?

31-Jul-2016 16:19:51

Kemtros
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I agree that Nomad could be another wight, but that might depend on whether or not we killed him. Hopefully whether or not he has a piece of the Stone of Jas also plays another factor here, beyond determining his power during the battle in Nomad's Elegy.

The Siphon might be able to take Nomad's soul. Maybe combine it with the portion of the World Guardian essence that Sliske took during Kindred Spirits? I could see Sliske turning Nomad himself into something similar to Gielinor.

01-Aug-2016 17:53:39

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