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Heuristik

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Blackwing said:
TH isn't fine to stay even if it only offered cosmetics, because it'd still be predatory gambling; you still wouldn't know exactly how much a reward you want would cost you, unlike in Solomon's store, where you know the precise price, because RNG is not involved.


Stop calling something 'gambling' which is clearly not: none of the items offered have a tangible, real value in real life. Only the perceived, psychological value players give them in game. Which is also the main reason why people play videogames (not casino games): perceived and psychological benefits ... (fun, sense of achievement, you name it...)

13-Sep-2018 15:22:05

Heuristik

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High Lifer said:


That is their hang up if they cant enjoy their own accomplishments because of how others gained theirs. Stop blaming jagex for your own psychological problems. (coming from someone with severe mental health problems)


+1

Sorry to hear that, mate.

13-Sep-2018 15:26:33

Heuristik

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ELITE STACK said:


Actually they do have real world value some players have made up to $50,000 playing rs3. There's a reason Jagex still needs to ban rwters.


Is this legit? No, it isn't. It's very much close to be illegal, it's like you pay for Amazon Prime or Netflix subscription and then you copy and sell their movies: ooops, there's already someone doing that, and if they catch them...

14-Sep-2018 09:16:24

Heuristik

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Blackwing said:


Eh? So basically what you're saying is that because you personally don't find the in-game items to be worth any real value irl, they don't have any real value irl? But the thing is, as long as someone is willing to pay for something with irl money, that something has irl monetary value. And Runescape has had RWTers since the early days, so it's pretty clear that people are willing to pay irl money for the in-game items, and thus they have irl monetary value. > )


Which turns out to be non-legit / illegal, like I said it's like you copy and re-sell Amazon Prime / Netflix / DVD / etc movies.

Amazon Prime is actually a good example:

- You pay for a monthly subscription, like Runescape membership
- If you wanted to watch a particular TV series or movie, you most likely pay for it, like a Runescape MTX
- It's not guaranteed that you enjoy the TV series / movie you just bought, and this is completely subjective, exactly like the outcome of a TH key
- Watching a popular TV series gives you a "perceived", "psychological" advantage against other people who didn't watch it, e.g. they don't know / can't talk anything about it while you do; but at the end of the day there's no real, tangible, physical benefit. Unless you want a career as movie critic :-)
- You can't make a copy of the movie you've just watched and sell them, exactly like Runescape in-game items

So Amazon Prime is gambling, right?

14-Sep-2018 09:30:56

Heuristik

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Blackwing said:
]Are you really going to take the piss like this just because you can't accept the fact that TH is gambling?


I accept the fact I can get rubbish out of them (this is why I never buy any extra key). "Rubbish" is what I perceive I don't like e.g. cosmetics, but I know for sure there's tons of people out there ready to spend fortunes to get those "rubbish" cosmetics.

Blackwing said:

And btw, RWT can both be legal and illegal; buying from other players/illegal 3rd parties like goldfarmers is illegal, while buying from Jagex/Jagex-approved 3rd parties like e.g. paying for the PC Gamer exclusive pet is legal. Not sure what difference it being legal/illegal makes though, because as long as people are willing to pay real money for the in-game items, legal or not, they have real monetary value. > )


Not sure about what difference? Something like IP, copyright, ownership, legit profit, taxable and traceable transactions etc. ? Otherwise it would be chaos, pure anarchy, and no one would be willing to start any business.
If you are ready to challenge even this concept, there's no room for you in this world.

14-Sep-2018 10:41:48

Heuristik

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Dilbert2001 said:

The cosmetic "junk" can sell for decent gp if you don't want it. It is not useless.


I don't think cosmetic overrides are tradable, at least the "junk" I've got e.g. ice warrior outfit. However I don't get all the fuss. If you get something you don't like you can convert them into gp (or oddments!?) straightaway... This is what I do.

19-Sep-2018 09:15:26 - Last edited on 19-Sep-2018 09:16:06 by Heuristik

Heuristik

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Dilbert2001 said:


To some countries with antiquated laws like Australia, anything random with real money changing hands may be considered "gambling". So Monopoly the board game may be called "gambling" in Australia too. However, being "gambling" doesn't mean illegal gambling. So, all kinds of games of chance are legal there, although technically they still call them "gambling". :D

And consider TH a fun


Incidentally, this is another interesting subject. Obviously Jagex have no influence over governments legislations, they're not Google or Apple or Facebook or Microsoft or... OK, you got it :) So the day TH becomes illegal - or sort of - they'll be switching to something else. I hope they're already thinking about a Plan-B... because that day looks like it's approaching very quickly.

19-Sep-2018 09:20:52

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