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Blackwing
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Heuristik said:
Blackwing said:
TH isn't fine to stay even if it only offered cosmetics, because it'd still be predatory gambling; you still wouldn't know exactly how much a reward you want would cost you, unlike in Solomon's store, where you know the precise price, because RNG is not involved.


Stop calling something 'gambling' which is clearly not: none of the items offered have a tangible, real value in real life. Only the perceived, psychological value players give them in game. Which is also the main reason why people play videogames (not casino games): perceived and psychological benefits ... (fun, sense of achievement, you name it...)

Eh? So basically what you're saying is that because you personally don't find the in-game items to be worth any real value irl, they don't have any real value irl? But the thing is, as long as someone is willing to pay for something with irl money, that something has irl monetary value. And Runescape has had RWTers since the early days, so it's pretty clear that people are willing to pay irl money for the in-game items, and thus they have irl monetary value. > )

The fact is that TH is predatory gambling; it might not be "legal" gambling, as in you "always get something", but if you buy keys, you're still throwing money (either your own real money or someone else's) at a chance to get something specific you want, which makes it gambling. (And it's predatory because Jagex knows there are players addicted to the rewards, yet they're exploiting those players for their money, e.g. by offering the freebie keys here to get them hooked into buying more.)
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13-Sep-2018 15:55:24

ELITE STACK
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Heuristik said:
Blackwing said:
TH isn't fine to stay even if it only offered cosmetics, because it'd still be predatory gambling; you still wouldn't know exactly how much a reward you want would cost you, unlike in Solomon's store, where you know the precise price, because RNG is not involved.


Stop calling something 'gambling' which is clearly not: none of the items offered have a tangible, real value in real life. Only the perceived, psychological value players give them in game. Which is also the main reason why people play videogames (not casino games): perceived and psychological benefits ... (fun, sense of achievement, you name it...)



Actually they do have real world value some players have made up to $50,000 playing rs3. There's a reason Jagex still needs to ban rwters.
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13-Sep-2018 16:21:01 - Last edited on 13-Sep-2018 16:21:33 by ELITE STACK

Blak Paladin
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Daily keys can not be saved to use another day, you have to use them the day you get them or they get deleted and replaced with new ones, this why your number of keys stayed the same, you wasted your daily keys by not using them the day you got them, since they can't be saved for the next day.

Really? O_o since when? i mean, i'm pretty sure i've stocked up on TH keys before :|... sigh... well... at least it was just 2 keys...

13-Sep-2018 16:23:41

Blackwing
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Blak Paladin said:
Daily keys can not be saved to use another day, you have to use them the day you get them or they get deleted and replaced with new ones, this why your number of keys stayed the same, you wasted your daily keys by not using them the day you got them, since they can't be saved for the next day.

Really? O_o since when? i mean, i'm pretty sure i've stocked up on TH keys before :|... sigh... well... at least it was just 2 keys...

Since the beginning of TH; daily keys have never been possible to save for another day.

What you probably have done before is stack earned keys (from key tickets, quests, daily challenges...), as those can be stacked for later use (soft cap of 10 and hard cap of 100).
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13-Sep-2018 16:29:03

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I got 10 free keys too!! Cheers!
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13-Sep-2018 18:27:28

Tahlzar

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Blackwing said:
Heuristik said:
Blackwing said:
Gambeling according to the Cambridge Dictionary: "the activity of risking money on the result of something, such as a game or horse race, hoping to make money" . Whilst making money is in this case debatable, if you buy keys you are risking money on the outcome of something. Gambeling relies on there being a value attached to whatever the reward might be. Whether this value be real money or an in-game currency there is value attached to them. Further more there is and element of uncertainty to the TH system as is with this promo. Whenever you get a prize of a rarer nature this effects you, conscious or unconsciously, for people prone to those kind of stimuli this will drive them to keep playing. Whether they want to or not.
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13-Sep-2018 20:06:23

Draco Burnz
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MissSkittles said:
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There are too many re-rolls where all you get is white and yellow stars, no oranges, no reds, no purples, and no shadow gems.

Its then impossible to win anything good, and your only choice is use four keys then re-roll, and possibly get all white and all yellow again.

In my opinion getting all white and all yellow should not even be a possiblity, every re-reroll should contain at least red prizes as possible.

This starts to feel like a scam when you don't even have any gems above yellow on so many re-rolls.


This is exactly what I was saying to my clan last night; seemingly impossible to even stand a chance at getting anything good (after receiving the first (apparently rigged) shadow gem of 10 keys).


Probably ther reason the tokens are so cheap.
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