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Blackwing

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CuddleBucket said:
There's a lot of hate & I get it but I like that membership of this game is free, & this is one of the reasons why.

How naive can you be? Bonds aren't free, somebody has to pay for them, and that price is more expensive than buying membership directly. If TH didn't exist, bonds still would.
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17-Oct-2017 16:54:56

Blackwing

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DarkPdaDude said:
Lol at all the outrage in comments, common how does this affect you? It's not like they force you to buy keys or use this. Last time I checked people who pay, don't pay to remove my xp, or get any pvp advantage that cannot be earned in the rest of the game.

Naivete like the above is truly worrisome; have you forgotten that Runescape is an MMO and not a single player game? The consequences of TH are quite clear in fact:

1. Competition for ranks in hiscores is largely dead for non-ironmen, because it is physically impossible for a player who trains his skills via actual gameplay to have any chance against a player who spins for the win.

2. Endgame content like bossing is only as profitable as it is, so long as there's enough demand for the drops. The more people reach those skill levels (for which TH greatly speeds up the process), the more supply there is and the less demand there is, making the profitability go down.

3. Constant overpowered TH promotions have caused the gp price of bonds to go sky-high, which in turn forces a player who buys bonds with gp for membership, to pay more and more gp for his membership. After all, membership is consumed much slower than TH keys.

Hopefully these examples are enough of a demonstration to show you that yes, TH does in fact affect quite many people, even if you aren't aware of it yourself! > )
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19-Oct-2017 22:10:33

Blackwing

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DarkPdaDude said:
1. competition for high scores is dead because this game is over 15 years old and there is a cap on xp, there were 200m in every skill players before 2012, it's not because th, which would be insanely expensive, just maxing costed $13.000 some click baiting youtuber as said before people do buy already developed accounts with ma stats, bank and quests done on osrs and it's not $13.000 not even close, this has always been a part of game and people who don't want to play themselves and they care about this game, will pay for it, only difference is that with th money actually goes to Jagex not china gold farmers.

That's not how competitions work. Until every single participant has finished, the competition is alive and ongoing. But as we know, TH gives an unfair advantage, since it offers exp rates that a player who plays the game normally cannot match. That is what killed the meaning from hiscore competition, not how many people had reached a certain milestone. Also, things have gotten progressively worse since A Friend did his MTX video series, and it shows no signs of stopping, so the price tag only gets cheaper as time goes on.

Regarding bought accounts, those accounts get banned sooner or later, and when they do, they're removed from the hiscores, whereas TH accounts will remain there unless they break another rule that earns them a permanent ban.
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23-Oct-2017 12:32:57 - Last edited on 23-Oct-2017 12:50:47 by Blackwing

Blackwing

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DarkPdaDude said:
2. Last time I checked many items are still very expensive... maybe it's because bonds are really expensive and to get levels to boss is also very expensive if you want to buy these levels with th, this means not many can afford this and if they have to play the game like the rest of us then there is no problem, last but not least, th does not buy you the skill to actually boss, nor are those who are to lazy to grind some levels willing to boss.

I didn't say they weren't expensive anymore, I said the profitability goes down. E.g. I sold an anima core helm of seren yesterday for 19m, which could've been let's say 25m if TH hadn't sped up the progression of people reaching the skill levels necessary. This same principle can be applied to other moneymakers as well, e.g. player-owned ports.

And yes, it doesn't buy you the actual skill to boss, but it allows you to start learning earlier than you would've been able to otherwise. That deducts from existing profits.


DarkPdaDude said:
3. See this is the thing... the fact price for bonds went sky high means there is more demand for bonds and they get consumed faster than spawned in game and where do bonds come from? Oh that's right from players who pay $5 each to jagex.. it's almost like not many players buy bonds? See mtx is not such huge problem for in game economy as you guys make it to be. You actually managed to prove my point, lmao

TH is much more advertised and in-your-face than bonds, so I'd confidently claim that there are a lot more key buyers than bond buyers (with real life cash). Everyone knows about TH but quite many people are surprisingly unaware of bonds, so naturally bonds are bought less than TH keys.
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23-Oct-2017 12:43:26

Blackwing

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DarkPdaDude said:
Also why do you guys seem to support buying members with bonds but are so against th? It's almost like you forget someone has to pay real money to jagex for these bonds and membership costs more money with that method than it does normally. Bonds support mtx and th.

I'm well aware of this, but the thing is that with bonds, there's at least something positive about it to those who don't buy MTX, which is of course the ability to pay someone gp so that effectively they buy you membership in exchange. TH on the other hand doesn't have any similar positive effect. Not even better updates, we get more TH updates than actual game updates, and the ones we do get are nowadays very often rushed and buggy.


DarkPdaDude said:
Last but not least as I said before, why do you care so much how other player develop their character? Last time I checked they do not pay to remove my xp. It does not effect me or you in any way, just ignore th if you don't like it.

I've already given you some examples, but ignorance is a bliss, isn't it?
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23-Oct-2017 12:48:29

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