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CuddleBucket
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It's been sitting there tickling the back of my brain.
Why have they been giving us double keys all month?
Jagex doesn't do things like that out of niceness.


ModáSayln said:
New Key Packages

In July, we will be introducing a Daily Key booster, allowing you to increase the number of daily keys you receive when logging into the game. For a small price, players will receive double their normal daily keys allowance for 30 days. Whether as a Free Player jumping from 1 to 2 keys a day, or a Premier Club member jumping from 3 to 6, this will provide everyone with great value.

They get us used to double keys for a month.
It makes it harder to go back to half keys, even though it's what we were on forever.
Certainly incentivizes us to buy the package so that we don't 'lose' what we have, even though we never really had it to begin with.

now,
ModáSayln said:
For a small price
we can continue to enjoy the number of keys we are getting through June.



(Also I'm curious if Mod Salyn honestly feels that giving f2p a single extra daily th key is providing them with great value - I'm not sure you can really call going from 1 key to 2 a 'jump', because it's literally the next number, it's +1, you didn't jump anything.
Maybe more of a step? I know marketing is your job but ugh when people try so hard to sell me & throw in meaningless buzz words it just puts me off! Great value compared to what?

But that's more of an aside, I've learned that J-Mods don't like my questions.)
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29-Jun-2018 15:13:11

CuddleBucket
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I'm not condemning, at the end of the day they work for someone else, not themselves.
But I did wonder why, & was sad to realize there was actually a reason :(

I've enjoyed the 6 keys a day.
I don't value th keys (I destroy key tokens), but that was with 3 daily - getting 6 daily can make a difference on some promos, & no doubt they have planned & thought this through well.

I will be interested to see what they consider to be
ModáSayln said:
a small price
How may keys does 1 bond buy, is it 15? I certainly don't consider 1 bond
ModáSayln said:
a small price
& I definitely don't consider 2 bonds
ModáSayln said:
a small price
yet if you look at the math, let's say f2p, who would get 1 extra key daily for 30 days.

That's 30 keys.
Obviously they have no reason to buy it if it costs 2 bonds, so it will be less than 2 bonds.
Although I shouldn't say that with such certainty..........but at least LOGICALLY.

They are calling it a double key package, meaning premier would get 90 extra keys.
I find it hard to believe that they can price both of those packages at the same.
Maybe it will cost different for the different memberships.
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29-Jun-2018 16:30:55

UrekMazino
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CuddleBucket said:
They get us used to double keys for a month.

Holy shit you're right.

They've done a +2 keys everyday thing with bonds before which is similar to this, I think it was 1 bond for 1 month?
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29-Jun-2018 16:36:25 - Last edited on 29-Jun-2018 16:37:25 by UrekMazino

CuddleBucket
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Whatever they charge, it looks like it will be at least 2 bonds for members, I would be shocked if they gave premier 90 keys for 1 bond.

At any rate, if you want to claim
ModáSayln said:
this will provide everyone with great value
then compared to the monthly subscription fee we pay, paying the same again on top for a few th keys is ANYTHING BUT
ModáSayln said:
providing everyone with great value
given that for the same price we get full membership & the same amount of keys already.
How can paying what we pay now, or more, be
ModáSayln said:
providing everyone with great value
?

This is what leads me to fear that again it's just talk, we are cows to milk while patting our heads & telling us how wonderful they are being to us & what
ModáSayln said:
great value
we are getting.

Mod Salyn, what on Earth are you comparing to claim that
ModáSayln said:
this will provide everyone with great value
???

It's really condescending to claim you're being transparent while only providing the information you want us to see. You don't need to claim transparency at all.
If you want to be transparent, release all the pricing now so we can disect it & see if it really is
ModáSayln said:
providing everyone with great value.

You will release that information at a strategic time, maybe amongst something like a double xp weekend announcement.
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29-Jun-2018 16:51:54

CuddleBucket
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I want to finish my unplanned tirade :P with something that's really important, something that I wished EVERY SINGLE PERSON remained focused on, without exception, every time they complain about these types of things.
& that is where your anger is focused.
I'm guilty of it to & I want to improve.

Firstly it should be obvious we don't blame Mod Salyn or whoever else.
They are doing their job, if it wasn't them it would be someone else.

It's started to not feel right to me that we always say "JAGEX" amongst our rants & complaints.

If we really hated Jagex the way we carry on, we wouldn't be playing the game.
I love Runescape, Jagex make Runescape, I love Jagex.

But we are concerned about the future, & that is because we care.

As I asked in the dev blog thread, I'd like to learn if profits from this are being re-invested or taken out of the game. That concerns me a lot.

But what frustrates the hell out of me is that all Jagex employees (especially when we use the name Jagex, as Jagex is everyone that works there, even those who we like) have to cop the brunt of our anger & frustration, simply because we don't really know where else to direct it.


Who is the person pulling the strings?
Who is the man behind the curtain?
Who is the leader, the captain steering the ship.

Where is the real person who can provide us the answers we'd like?

They will never step from the shadows, always being shielded by the staff that interact with us, & that makes me feel guilty for the way I sometimes speak.

Instead of Jagex, let's direct our anger towards THE FACELESS MAN.
The one who hides in the shadows & sees us as cows, not people.
He is the one that cares about money, not the game.

It's unfortunate that our anger has to be fielded by those working for someone else, only doing their job as best they can.
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29-Jun-2018 17:07:30 - Last edited on 29-Jun-2018 17:07:45 by CuddleBucket

Dilbert2001
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TBH, nobody is expecting the 6 daily TH keys June will be continued in July and beyond without paying "a small price", right? :D:D:D

Realistically, free trial products most of the time are followed by more "lucrative" paid promotions.

Yes, right... what is considered a "small price", 1 shilling, 1 bond or... actually it doesn't bother me at all because as usual, if I don't want to pay that "small price" for extra virtual items in any game, nobody can force me to. :D:D:D

So, again as usual, I have no hard feeling on more MTX promotions, especially via TH. It is up to whoever want to pay to pay, although I am not one of them. Anyways, thanks for the 6 daily key June but too bad it will be back to 3 per day soon. :D:D:D

29-Jun-2018 18:02:18

CuddleBucket
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Dilbert2001 said:
TBH, nobody is expecting the 6 daily TH keys June will be continued in July and beyond without paying "a small price", right? :D:D:D

My point was that despite their 'transparency', this double daily keys was a sneaky, unannounced (despite the transparency) marketing tactic.

I'm not saying I didn't like they keys, I'm saying the reason for them was kept from us (did I mention transparency) is to serve & promote their agenda, yet they would never openly admit it despite everyone being able to see it for what it is now.

(& despite the transparency)
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29-Jun-2018 18:24:58

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