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Barnabis
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Copied from Reddit: MTX may finally be defeated! (originally from r/Overwatch)
By Smellywizard

So for those who didn’t notice a few things changed this week.
After EA’s frankly disgusting Loot crate system more than a few people got upset, the fact that it was attached to a Star Wars game made this explode in a big way.
This morning Belgium made the legal decision to mark ALL loot crates gambling and have since taken the legislative action to the EU congress.
-what this means-
1) If they receive at minimum 20 votes from the gathering of 28, all countries within the EU can make the switch over legally to making Loot Boxes gambling
2) If done so they simply have to make a single small court appearance and they do not need to announce that they are doing so.
3) All game companies that sell loot crates or similar WILL have to PURCHASE a gambling license that will consist of 20% of their tax on the system from the last year, they must re-buy this every year.
4) The companies may also be ‘Taxed’ for all previous years of selling the crates within the region of some countries, this would be a loss of literally billions in some companies cases.
This will be an almost certainty in places such as Italy that is currently going through a financial crisis at the moment and will cost the companies greatly if the regions choose to add a tax to the initial taking of funds, which is within there legal rights to do so.
5) All drop rates and quality rating must be made Public and actively Updated. -the very thing Blizzard has been trying not to do since Overwatch launched.
Jagex 2019 New Year Resolution... MTX our customers until RS3 SERVER SHUTDOWN PARTY!
The RS3 Community is treated like :@RUBBISH:@ due to constant TH promotions.

Don't buy keys on Treasure Hunter, if you do Jagex will only make more TH promotions :(

29-Nov-2017 03:14:28

Barnabis
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Loot crates will become VERY unprofitable since all prices will also be regulated from outside of publishers and there can be up to (but not limited too) a 40% take on all crate sales within some areas. Added to the purchase of gabling licenses this will be around a 60 -80% take from company profits each year.
There is also a special little note here.
Hawaii have also jumped onto this little float boat, an area which has being confirmed as a primary seller of loot crates for the last year are now pushing it forth by the government as gabling, if it takes hold there six other states have vowed to follow suit.
You can see the press conference here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_akwfRuL4os
This has caused Blizzard to actively state on there Twitter this morning that meetings are currently underway about the replacement /modification to loot boxes in both Heroes of the Storm and Overwatch at this current time.
This after the Blizz-con 2017 event where they talked about expanding the loot crate system to a greater extend over the course of the loot panel held on the Saturday.
Link here: https://twitter.com/Blizzard_Ent/status/933073205979254780
EDIT: Apparently the tweet was removed VERY quickly after, teach me not to grab a screenshot…
I’m reasonably sure someone at EA is getting screamed at right now, and that other companies are watching this with the utmost attention, there is also a lot of people keeping that same attention on EA since they are being the ones pinned as responsible.

UPDATE:
Update: According to Belgian news site RTBF (Google translated), Belgium's Gaming Commission has not actually finalized its decision on whether loot boxes are gambling. The site says the statement that appeared in the original report, stating that the "mixture of money and addiction is a game of chance," is descriptive of the investigation's intent rather than its conclusion....
http://www.pcgamer.com/belgium-says-loot-boxes-are-gambling-wants-them-banned-in-europe/
Jagex 2019 New Year Resolution... MTX our customers until RS3 SERVER SHUTDOWN PARTY!
The RS3 Community is treated like :@RUBBISH:@ due to constant TH promotions.

Don't buy keys on Treasure Hunter, if you do Jagex will only make more TH promotions :(

29-Nov-2017 03:14:34 - Last edited on 30-Nov-2017 00:12:50 by Barnabis

Barnabis
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Again for me to now weigh in.

I've been strongly opposed to the gambling that "loot creates" as it is known in other games has caused.

I can only hope Jagex won't just out-right sell BXP but implement fallen stars in other areas of the games, like all mini-game reward shops.

I'm expecting governments to vote that this is gambling. The main reason is because it would be a good source of tax revenue. Anyone who has listened or read about government finances will know two things.

1.) Governments know how to over-spend tax funding.
2.) Governments are always looking to find new sources of tax revenue.
Jagex 2019 New Year Resolution... MTX our customers until RS3 SERVER SHUTDOWN PARTY!
The RS3 Community is treated like :@RUBBISH:@ due to constant TH promotions.

Don't buy keys on Treasure Hunter, if you do Jagex will only make more TH promotions :(

29-Nov-2017 03:14:43 - Last edited on 29-Nov-2017 03:21:24 by Barnabis

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If this distraction really will be removed maybe they can focus on fixing game content and adding quality updates. Th is "gambling" in the sense that you have the "chance" to win a rare prize, the loophole is that you can win anything. Will be interesting to see what happens but I doubt anything will.

29-Nov-2017 04:17:01

Dilbert2001
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Why are players in self denial mode still lying?

Belgium did not ban lockbox and they said clearly they are not doing anything.

Anybody can ask the Belgium government directly and I believe they have already given some drunken editors who put up faked reports a wake up call that they put up a correction notice the next day.

29-Nov-2017 15:04:01

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Even if Treasure Hunter ended, MTX would not end. Jagex would just sell something else which would not be classified as gambling, such as direct XP, levels, GP, items, already leveled accounts, etc. Hi.

29-Nov-2017 19:41:14

Dilbert2001
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Transcendent said:
Even if Treasure Hunter ended, MTX would not end. Jagex would just sell something else which would not be classified as gambling, such as direct XP, levels, GP, items, already leveled accounts, etc.


You are absolutely right. Most of the anti-lockbox activists actually don't care about gambling or not. All they want is MTX to go away so the game developers can't make more money but what they don't want to hear is MTX is not all about lockboxes. It is just a small sample of how MTX can be implemented.

First, lockboxes are not going away. There won't even be regulations in any country (other than China) in at least a couple of years. And then the regulation (if any) will only be about the transparency of the content. Even if some companies decide to put away lockboxes like 10 years later, don't be happen too soon, since they are going to be replaced by direct sale of endgame gear.

29-Nov-2017 19:51:50

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Transcendent said:
Even if Treasure Hunter ended, MTX would not end. Jagex would just sell something else which would not be classified as gambling, such as direct XP, levels, GP, items, already leveled accounts, etc.

Still better than gambling though; both ways damage the integrity of the game, but gambling also obscures key information from the player (exactly how much does it cost them to buy what they want) and manipulates them in certain ways, e.g. during an elite skilling outfit promotion, Jagex could easily make the last required piece to complete the full outfit much rarer than the ones won before it, resulting in some players continuing to buy more and more keys due to sunk cost and they think it's the same chance.
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29-Nov-2017 19:58:18

Dilbert2001
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Blackwing said:
Transcendent said:
Even if Treasure Hunter ended, MTX would not end. Jagex would just sell something else which would not be classified as gambling, such as direct XP, levels, GP, items, already leveled accounts, etc.

Still better than gambling though; both ways damage the integrity of the game, but gambling also obscures key information from the player (exactly how much does it cost them to buy what they want) and manipulates them in certain ways, e.g. during an elite skilling outfit promotion, Jagex could easily make the last required piece to complete the full outfit much rarer than the ones won before it, resulting in some players continuing to buy more and more keys due to sunk cost and they think it's the same chance.


That's probably not most players will say if Jagex replace TH with direct sales of tier 95 gear.

29-Nov-2017 20:08:23

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