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itwasmeDIO
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first please move if it fits a better category and sorry for the trouble.

because of the way recent AAA game titles have handled loot box systems some members of the U.S. government are putting forth bills for regulating loot boxes and investigating them for gambling and gambling for minors. i don't know if laws are in place over seas or how the topic is going for that area of the world or even in the office or if U.S. laws will affect the game. Part of the temporary solutions that are being put forth in the U.S. law wise are age restrictions and having the rates be publicly available.

laws aren't my field of study but animation & game design is. while TH isn't the best loot box system in my opinion it is far better than most and i would hate for a system that is so minor to game play cause big consequences in the future.

13-Feb-2018 20:56:14

Blackwing
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itwasmeDIO said:
laws aren't my field of study but animation & game design is. while TH isn't the best loot box system in my opinion it is far better than most and i would hate for a system that is so minor to game play cause big consequences in the future.

Something being better (or in this case "less bad", let's be honest) than something else which isn't acceptable, doesn't automatically make the better (aka less bad) thing acceptable. TH is, at the end of the day, predatory gambling just like many other lootbox simulators. If only the laws could catch up to the modern standards as quickly as the companies find ways to exploit the customers, the "consequences" wouldn't be as drastic. > )
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13-Feb-2018 21:12:12

Dilbert2001
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OP, none of your "regulations" are true. Nobody has submitted anything. They were all talks and nothing at all. That's why nobody can even tell WHAT EXACTLY THOSE "BILLS" ARE.

There is also no lootbox regulation anywhere in the world except China. But perhaps to your disappointment, no gambling or age are even mentioned in the Chinese lootbox regulation because it is not gambling. There is only 1 regulation in the Chinese lootboxes, i.e., transparency of the content. Nothing else there.

No game developers and publishers in the world will do anything because they are not required to.

14-Feb-2018 03:29:08

Transcendent
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Why are you defending MTX? It is the plight of this game, and everyone hates it.


The fact I can pay for members, Runecoins, and occasionally Treasure Hunter keys using bonds bought with GP in game proves a lot of people like MTX, because someone is buying those bonds with their real money that I am buying with GP form the GE to redeem.
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15-Feb-2018 04:33:31

Ashlin107
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Hmm well if these laws do pass in any or even the majority of the countries pass. I do believe Jagex will at least consider getting rid of TH in order to maintain their member base if lootboxes are banned outright in said countries.

However even if TH does go it wouldn't necessarily be a good thing given that all of the resources that are being pumped into TH (which seems to be quite a large amount) will go into other forms of monetisation like SGS. We might even start seeing Jagex shoving things like xp lamps, stars or other beneficial items become available through runecoins. This also result in a more aggressive marketing campaign for SGS in order to compensate for the lose of TH.

So I wouldn't be celebrating the death of TH if these laws indeed do come and cause Jagex to react.
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15-Feb-2018 07:16:40 - Last edited on 15-Feb-2018 07:20:36 by Ashlin107

Blackwing
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Ashlin107 said:
However even if TH does go it wouldn't necessarily be a good thing given that all of the resources that are being pumped into TH (which seems to be quite a large amount) will go into other forms of monetisation like SGS. We might even start seeing Jagex shoving things like xp lamps, stars or other beneficial items become available through runecoins. This also result in a more aggressive marketing campaign for SGS in order to compensate for the lose of TH.

So I wouldn't be celebrating the death of TH if these laws indeed do come and cause Jagex to react.

While what you describe here could certainly happen, the thing is that at this point, removing TH is more than just about removing selling of P2W exp/items; it's also about removing predatory gambling. It's blatantly obvious that Jagex is exploiting its customers with the uncertainty that TH has; let's take a new elite skilling outfit promo as an example. Typically, one such promotion has the promotional items (15 outfit pieces) on yellow or orange slots. A typical customer would probably assume that 75-200 keys would be sufficient to get all the pieces; however, it could easily take many more than that (even a yellow slot prize has sometimes reported to have taken ~100 keys to get), just as it could take a lot less than that. Thus, lucky customers are led to buying more keys than they actually need, and unlucky customers, who might now suffer from sunk cost fallacy, are likely to make yet another big purchase of keys to ensure they get the remaining pieces.

However, if these things were sold in Solomon's store instead at fixed prices, the players could make informed decisions on whether they're worth buying; if the price of e.g. an elite skilling outfit was low, more people would buy it and it'd be less P2W, and if it was high, people would now know it in advance and give it backlash to make the price come down.

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15-Feb-2018 08:07:28

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