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Ashlin107
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I'm not going to be the one disappointed since these governments haven't shown any signs of backing down despite the ESRB's attempt to slap a label on basically every game these days. Even the ones made with actual love and care and aren't focused on ripping off their customers.

Battlefront 2 not containing Loot Boxes? They still do have Loot Boxes the difference now is you don't need spend real money on them. But again EA have made their intentions clear they plan to reintroduce MTX at some point.

As for the ESRB's website. Well parents have no idea if they games they're purchasing contains harmful practices like Loot Boxes or other wise harmless practices which allow them to enjoy their games longer like fairly priced DLC or subscriptions.

People know about these sites and it's probably the only good thing the ESRB have done in this whole situation. But they need to do more. But instead they just say they don't want to "overwhelm" us by telling us exactly what these purchases are on the box. Which kinda contradicts what the ESRB is about.

Also if you don't care about TH then why are you trying to dig up any excuse you can to defend it? Maybe you're just a fan boy who'd defend everything Jagex does. Heck you probably the kind defended the removal of the Wildy then supported the reinstatement of the Wildy a few years latter.

Again I'm not qouting non existent governments. They are very real look it up. Do your research before just falling back to the same argument. I'm not going to do it for you. Because it'll not only help you grow and you might actually learn a few things and this whole argument isn't worth me getting muted over because I had to post links.
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08-Mar-2018 08:51:11

Dilbert2001
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Maybe there will be one Jagex employee in GDC this year but look things up first. Nobody from any major companies will be presenting anything related to loot boxes. Simply linking unrelated events up doesn't mean a thing.

Can’t you read the “?”. I raised a question on your comment that some companies are fighting “the government regulations”. I meant NOBODY Is fighting their regulations because they knew, were and are happy to reveal the odds of their loot boxes there. There is nothing to “fight” because the regulations don’t bother them. Who are the companies “cutting their losses there”. Tell us and show us the REAL WORLD financial data? Who said that? Santa and Bunny?

All the ATVI titles are doing well. Even WoW, one of the weakest one are still doing good. EA’s sport tiles are all making huge money. Only the Bioware ones are sinking because of their lousy poor community in the West.

Still crying “regulations”? There are none. There simply don’t exist. Even the little boy who believe in Santa and Easter/Bugs Bunnies only cried wolves 3 times. Keep crying “regulations” 9000 times don’t make them exist. It only make people laugh.

You get TH keys from subscription. The real money you pay for subscription is also the same real money you buy keys with. There is no difference. Rich people can buy 9000 keys but so what? They are rich and too bad if you are not. What’s the problem? Rich people can spend their money non-stop to buy different things, including garbage they don’t even look at. What’s the problem? It is their money. They can use it in whatever way. They can buy 9000 mil shares of 9000 different stocks. They can buy 9000 hamburgers and just throw them away. They can buy 9000 baseball game tickets but don’t go to a game even once. Who can say these rich people are “addictive” to stocks, hamburgers or baseball games? They are just rich people. They are not addicts.

08-Mar-2018 19:20:52

Dilbert2001
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Still fantasizing about “powerful governments”? All I see are some failed ones who admitted ESRB made a GOOD STEP with their in game purchase label and parental guidance site. Nothing else have they done and in fact nobody has heard from them since then. Regarding the ESRB actions, I said it 9000 times if you don’t like what they are going to do with the in game purchase label and website, go make your own rating agency. ESRB already said that’s all they are going to do and so be it. You don’t even have to use their ratings and websites if you don’t want to or don’t agree with them. Crying about their First Amendment right is useless and no governments, Santa or Bugs Bunny can even help you with that whatsoever.

If you insist EA still has “loot boxes” in BF2 and demand them to reveal the odds, why don’t you ask every game to reveal the odds of all games of chances? What’s the odds of getting a huge lamp in RS’s Gold Member Premier Club Valut? You are just stretching things to different areas. Games of chance is in every game. Paying a subscription or Premier club don’t make them anything different than TH or loot boxes elsewhere.

I am a Jagex fanboy? I said everything Jagex doing is good? Go read my posts first? I criticized them most of the time. Just the past couple of days, I put up yawning remarks on recycled events such as Spring Fayre, and joked about the ugliness of the Kings and Queens outfits. I even said Runescape is not competitive against modern games and predicted the demise of the current versions of RS in 5 years. I am a fanboy with such remarks? Good joke.!!!

Perhaps you are just a troll so whenever you see some posts not attacking Jagex then you think other people are fanboys. I am not going to talk more on this “fanboy” nonsense since this is not even a place for such nonsense. Please stop calling people names, that all and the last time I want to say in that aspect.

08-Mar-2018 19:24:01 - Last edited on 08-Mar-2018 19:26:51 by Dilbert2001

Dilbert2001
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Your “regulations” still don’t exist no matter what. That’s why everybody is still putting up loot boxes among other things in their games. It is all business as usual to them. Nothing you can do sorry, maybe you can go tell Santa and Bugs Bunny to play TH: Double Dragon God Chest. :D:D:D

08-Mar-2018 19:24:40 - Last edited on 08-Mar-2018 19:26:05 by Dilbert2001

Ashlin107
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It's obvious these major companies are going to go to this roundtable discussion. Again it's pointless to host something when you expect no one to show up. Most if not all of these
major developers will be there because obviously they don't want loot boxes to go.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/3/17075936/esrb-warning-label-loot-crates-in-game-purchases-battlefront-2

Read this link before you say that governments aren't doing anything again. I've told you billions of times these laws aren't active yet. Read this carefully. If you don't read it or still say they don't exists then I have many more articles that'll tell you the exact same thing.

Hey I'm not just crying "regulation" because it sounds cool. I'm stating actual fact that everyone else sees except you.

There is a difference between the money you spend on membership and the money you spend on TH. TH is pay essentially a pay to skip button if you buy keys at this point. Where as with membership you get much much more.

As for addiction well read this story on loot box addiction and tell me they aren't addictive...

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/11/meet-the-19-year-old-who-spent-over-17000-on-microtransactions/

As for the ESRB's magic label that tells you everything while telling you nothing at the same time isn't a step in the correct direction. Again I refer you to the article I posted. It's just a way of trying to sweep the mess under the mat. In the end the mess is still there. But unless that changes these legislators aren't backing down as shown in the article.

Also me a troll? I could easily say the same thing about you considering you keep falling back to the same arguments even though I provided something that goes against said arguments, refusing to look up things before calling them "fake" or even twisting my words around. So if anyone here is the troll it's you.
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09-Mar-2018 07:53:55

Ashlin107
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As for why everyone is putting up loot boxes. Well I never these laws are active. Also again it's clear the gaming industry are starting to dial them back and are treading carefully while they are still legal. Look at this article...

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/03/after-the-loot-box-fury-the-people-behind-the-next-battlefieldare-being-very-cautious/

They know that one more slip up can speed up the end of loot boxes. Also they know this is a danger to loot boxes because again they wouldn't have things like this in GDC:

http://schedule.gdconf.com/session/censorship-strikes-back-roundtable-presented-by-igda/856303

Also again if not a fan boy or a loot box addict why defend them so aggressively? But if you keep denying things then I'll leave you to your denial. Or maybe these posts will be hidden before you read them.

EDIT: Ohh and I forgot to address the EA side of sales. Well you said record sales but you didn't say which games still. Also it wasn't just Bioware's game Mass Effect Andromeda that that sold poorly and that wasn't because "the west hates them" if you saw the state the game launched in you'd know why people are giving it allot of hate. But also Battlefront II made by DICE went below expectations as well as the new Need for Speed game both due to Loot Boxes.

As for the sports games well I said they did well but they didn't break records as far as I know. But they certainly didn't flop either.

Same goes for Activision's titles they didn't break any records but they didn't flop either. Even Destiny 2 sold relatively well although its now a failure due to people leaving the game due to their heavy handed practices with Loot Boxes.
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09-Mar-2018 07:59:35 - Last edited on 09-Mar-2018 08:47:34 by Ashlin107

Dilbert2001
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Look things up first, Cornor Crowley is going to make a presentation on Future and Culture of the game industry in this GDC 2018. Nobody said anything about loot box.

The censorship discussion in GDC is not new. In fact, there have been censorship discussions more than 10 years ago. "Censorship" in games has always been the regular topic in GDC year after year, not just "loot boxes". But too bad to Santa and Bugs Bunny perhaps, because the “censorship” topics they discussed were on numerous different issues ranging from freedom of speech to sexual and violence content. These were just a few of the “censorship topics” people in the game industry talked about in GDC’s early years:


http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/27/gdc09-attorney-discusses-top-censorship-issues-facing-industry
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/03/27/games-under-fire-over-political-correctness-warns-free-speech-lawyer
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6206796.html

Coverage of Mr. Walters Speech at the Game Developers Conference (2008)

You really should read the link about “governments” this and that. There is nothing new. It is all about the editor of that article’s own opinion. In fact, although he is obviously against loot box, he realized and admitted past ordinance in the REAL WORLD suggested they will fail badly:

“I still think he (Lee) and his colleagues face a steep challenge, because it can still be argued they’re seeking to regulate content, and video game publishers won big against that effort in 2011 when the Supreme Court threw out a California law and found video games to be protected works of free expression.”


Note that Governments can’t regulate video game content and that’s from the Supreme Court. It is final! Now that we see what are real world laws and regulations and what are pipedreams of Santa and Bugs.
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09-Mar-2018 19:00:54 - Last edited on 09-Mar-2018 19:02:32 by Dilbert2001

Dilbert2001
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Real money is still real money. Monopoly money is still Monopoly money. Laws don’t outcast money “that is used to skip content”. Money that is “used to skip content” is not more evil than money that is used to pay for subscription. Sorry Santa and Bugs. :)

Quoting a letter from an anonymous user to a forum/blog is a “proof” of addiction? Good joke!!! Let me tell you what… in real life people have sued different business sectors for addictions but nobody has won. In fact, once McDonald's was sued for their fast foods are too addictive that cause people to become obese. Of course you should know Big Mac won... but that's not the end of the story because it backfired. A couple of years later, the food and beverage industry forced the government to enact the Commonsense Consumption Acts, or better known as the Cheeseburger Acts in half of the USA. Consider in the game industry we have ESRB and the parental guidance site but in the food and beverage industry we don't even have any rating agency, game players are already much better educated and protected than food "addicts". Well, I don't think I need to explain what is Commonsense...:D

BTW, that anonymous “addict” cried about microtransactions in his “letter”, not specifically loot box.

I don’t know why you are arguing with real world financial reports. EA is notorious for its EA Sports division with Baseball Card-like “loot boxes” infused for like an eternity but they made huge money year after year. Why are people still paying them money if they hate loot box so much?

ATVI’s financial report shows even more evidence people still give Blizzard lots and lots of money despite of all the loot boxes in almost all of their games now. This is ATVI’s official financial report:
http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=1056935

It is obvious they used the word
“record”
more than 20 times.

09-Mar-2018 19:13:00

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09-Mar-2018 21:49:18

Ashlin107
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Read the synopsis of the round table again. It clearly state Loot Boxes as one of the reasons they are holding the meeting. Here's a quote from it...

"...burgeoning legislation around the world against Loot Boxes, a handful of government officials again wield outsized power over our creative and business decisions."

As for your links well they were from a time where they were trying to link violence in video games to violence in real life. But in this case game developers had scientific backing that proved there was no link between real violence and video game violence. There's even stats out there that indicate a drop in violent crimes since violent games like Mortal Kombat and GTA. Loot boxes on the other hand well they have the very science that created them against them.

As for the Polygon article yes it does contain opinion but you'll also notice it has quotes from Chris Lee himself. Which as you may or may not know can't be faked.

As for whether or not they can get this past the supreme court. Well they didn't say it was impossible. Plus I'm sure they wouldn't be trying if they thought they couldn't win.

Plus Hawaii isn't the only state involved in this. We already know Washington state has a bill which will request the gambling commission investigate Loot Boxes. Then there's the other states and countries in talks about Loot Boxes including the UK. So it stands to reason that sooner or latter the law will catch up sooner rather than latter.

Well subscription is till better value then keys. If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you. Just be ready to let yourself be ripped off in real life if you don't know what deal is better or which is worse.

As for the letter well that's just one case which proves how dangerous Loot Boxes can be. Especially to RS' core audience. As for them not stating what kind of MTX. Well it's obvious when you look at the games he mentions. Particularly CS:GO which has the closest form to actual gambling.
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10-Mar-2018 09:22:26

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