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Kilot said:
Hmmm no automated trading through the post very disapointing...

If the GE turns out not to pass, we'll happily revisit other forms of expansion to the trading post.

If.

09-Jan-2015 18:09:31 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2015 18:10:05 by Mod Ash

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Jake said:
...I feel as if a lot of other players mostly want a GE without offline trading judging by the past poll results, will you be offering something similar to GE but without offline trading if this fails?

Could well aim for something like that.

It's true that there hasn't been so much support in previous polls for offline trading - in fact, trading for players who'd been offline beyond 6 hours got under 50% support in a previous poll. But we shall see how this goes.

09-Jan-2015 18:14:27

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fgsfds said:
So if the GE fails we need to wait for yet another poll with acceptable trading post fixes.

Whenever we've run polls with lots of questions that are contingent on other questions (e.g. "If Q1 doesn't pass..." "If Q2 passes...") we tend to end up with a lot of players saying they didn't know what they were voting for, or they didn't understand.

We've got some of those in this poll, but there'd be a lot more if we started offering multiple GE-alternatives all in the same poll.

Updates can take weeks to write. It shouldn't be the end of the world if we take more than one poll-cycle to ascertain what update people want :)

09-Jan-2015 18:19:00

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Rising Two said:
If/when GE passes, can we get the original, one central trading hub design that the GE had in 2007? I wasn't a huge fan of the 4-corners design RS3 has at the moment.

One of the reasons for that 4-corners design is that it spread people out more. On the main trading worlds, with everyone clumped together in the middle, the game had to try and render up to 2000 people all at once, making everything slow down.

The 4-corners design was supposed to reduce how many people were all standing next to each other so that things wouldn't slow down quite so badly.

It also meant that a spammer couldn't reach everyone all at once :)

09-Jan-2015 18:23:43

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Rising Two said:
Rain of Life said:
Hey Mod Ash is it a possibility for you to add trading feature which isn't world dependant? Like you can send trade offers through TP no matter on which worlds both players are?


Yes, this. Is it possible to let players trade cross banks/cross worlds?

For example, I trade someone at the W301 VWest trading post from the W330 Fishing Guild bank trading post.

200M SmithXP said:
will bolts used this week be returned if the ava's question passes?


I highly doubt this is possible.

Neither is possible.

1. Game worlds don't have information about players' current actions on other worlds. They're okay processing their 2000 players, but not the 10k-20k numbers that can be online simultaneously.

2. We have not been tracking the ammo you used against Zulrah, so we will not be offering to give you any of it back. You used it.

09-Jan-2015 18:26:00

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Saxo said:
Question: Should a deposit-all button be added to bank deposit boxes?

Does this include both invent and worn item deposit buttons?

Yes. Could even do looting bag, I think.

09-Jan-2015 18:28:40

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Saxo said:
Another thing Ash, regarding coinshare, is there no way to view the closest buy offer to the GE price and give that amount? because something that sucked in the main game was that for items that's GE price was higher than it's actual value so the item would be left in the GE and loads of cash would be pumped into the game.

The game engine hasn't had that ability before, but might be able to get it. Not sure.

09-Jan-2015 18:30:42

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Mork Mad said:
FINALLY we can get rid of the insane amount of scamming and merc* clans.

Eh... I don't remember merchants vanishing when the GE came out before. They developed new methods of turning a profit from the market, such as flipping items.

09-Jan-2015 18:32:17

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Gemeos said:
If it isn't possible to trade across different worlds, that really defeats the logic of Grand exchange, doesn't it?
What about market prices? Different ones for each world too

I'll clarify.
The game worlds don't know about every online player's current actions or account details, but they can share limited information about trade offers.

That amounts to 6 slots of:
- offer type
- offer item
- offer quantity
- offer price
- number remaining to trade

But it doesn't include "X is standing in the west Falador bank and has sent a Trade request to Y."

So that's how a GE can work but some of those other ideas can't.

09-Jan-2015 18:34:44 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2015 18:36:22 by Mod Ash

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Nerf Singed said:
LEMME list of the people saying no to the ge here is a 100% examination.

Internet arguments can be fun:
"You disagree with me. But I know what you're thinking. Even if you claim you're thinking something different, you're lying. What you're really thinking is XYZ. And XYZ is wrong. So you're wrong, and I'm right."

09-Jan-2015 18:39:10

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So...

Why don't we offer a modified GE? Like the GE from RS3, but with a few changes, such as putting it in the Falador trading area instead of Varrock, or making it work just for online players, or making it use the existing Trading Post models so that it's available in every bank?

We certainly could. Quite easily, for some of those things. (The engine team tells us that an online-only requirement would be harder, but I imagine it could be done somehow.)

However, we get a heck of a lot of requests for "the GE".

Last time we ran a trading system poll, we offered you a lot of questions that - if they all passed - would have pretty much been a GE. Some passed, many did not, and thus we released a system that isn't the GE.

And since then, we still get a lot of demand for "the GE". Including in this thread. So I'm not convinced that it works very well when we cobble a system together out of multiple poll questions.

We've therefore started the blog with something that everyone understands, and we're planning to put it to a simple Yes/No vote. Without messing with it, or writing awkward exceptions to make it "more oldschool".

We tried something like that before for the GWD. While it passed, the proposed changes were generally not well received. Things like the idea for making dragon boots available without making rune boots redundant, or the balancing changes to the AGS. People knew how the GWD was, and they wanted that. Not some version that Ash and Nexus and Dan and Mat had been tweaking.

Nevertheless, a lot of the ideas people have had for tweaking the GE are good ideas, and I'd be very happy to see some of them done.

But I'd also hate to muck up the much-demanded GE poll by offering something that wasn't "the GE".

09-Jan-2015 18:50:58

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ZlM said:
don't ruin runescape for veterans twice....

BIG NO on exchange... if added.. i quit.. for good this time.

We set the voting threshold of 75% to make sure the game would stay old-school unless a very big majority agreed to changes. And the GE isn't coming unless that level of support is reached in a poll.

Considering the level of interest there's been in the GE, I think it really does warrant putting to a poll.

09-Jan-2015 19:00:47

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iPowerMetali said:
make a poll about asking if everyone wants a free 100m and it'll be over 75%, democracy isnt always the best

That argument could be applied to any potential update, so I'm afraid I don't find it very persuasive as a reason not to poll this specific thing that so many people have been clamouring for us to poll.

09-Jan-2015 19:06:53

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Alec said:
Could the Grand Exchange be polled to a different location? Maybe just have mini Grand Exchanges in all banks like trading post?

Certainly could do.
See my post on p11 for why we're starting from an un-modified GE.

09-Jan-2015 19:07:56

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Spel Casta said:
Hell no to the GE. I'm not gonna even begin to explain the problems it would cause.
Instead, just do the two things you list for the TP and allow buy offers.

If you guys vote to keep the Trading Post, we can definitely get Buy offers added to it.

San said:
I'd have thought it would make more sense to start with more conservative changes and work the way up to full GE.

Oh well. Hope this fails, at least.

We tried something like that in the trading system poll. That's how we got a fairly conservative Trading Post. Since then, there's been a lot of demand for the GE anyway.

09-Jan-2015 19:12:57 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2015 19:14:21 by Mod Ash

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