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Poll poll


Ever since Old School RuneScape re-emerged from the mists of time, we've been running polls to let you tell us how the game should - or shouldn't - change. Now we've acquired some new features under the hood that allow us, for the first time, to offer updates to the poll system itself. In particular, we'd like to offer you a menu for voting within the game.

The plan is to list a few ways that in-game polls could work. We're running a survey to see how you feel about these options.

Once it's finished, we'll use the results to write a more detailed blog of our plans, and offer it to you in a formal poll, where you'll get the chance to vote Yes or No on whether we should proceed.

Accessible polls

At the moment, our polls are almost completely hidden! Although we mention them in our newsposts and dev blogs, they're very easily missed. Furthermore, many players prefer bookmarking the game worlds directly or using a client so - assuming they even know there's a poll running - it can be quite laborious navigating to the poll page to log in and vote.

We'd hope that voting in polls can be a far less frustrating experience for you once there's the option of doing it within the game itself.

The existing message of the week can be used to let everyone know when a poll's running without otherwise disrupting your 'scaping. The in-game polls shouldn't be intrusive.

We'd be able to show old poll results within the game too, so you'd be able to browse the poll archive without needing to navigate the website.

Clearer polls

It won't have escaped your notice that the poll form is quite bare-bones. The website's poll system doesn't support browser links, or illustrations, or even text formatting. The dense blocks of text are hard to read, and it's been a real pain when we've been polling graphical updates to items without any convenient way for you to see what the item looks like!

Within the game, we've now got the ability to post clickable browser links. On an in-game poll form, this means we could provide convenient links to extracts from the dev blogs, or to illustrations, or whatever is needed to help people see what they're voting on.

Poll requirements

The requirement to vote in polls is currently a skill total of 280 on a member account. The website poll system knows your membership status, and it knows your skill total, but it doesn't know anything else. Players have often suggested that we change the requirements to include other data; suggestions included combinations of skill total, quest points, recent in-game time, variety of items in the bank, and more besides. However we've always had to say no, since the website didn't support any of these things. But the game does.

If we were to launch in-game polls, and players were then willing for us to remove the website poll system, it would become possible to apply requirements like this sort of thing to the in-game poll menu. Naturally we wouldn't go changing the requirements unless you asked us to, but at the moment we can't even offer you the option.


In-game... somewhere!

There are quite a few ways we could offer in-game polls...

  • Polling booths in towns
    We could add polling stations to major towns, maybe putting them in places like the centres of Varrock and Falador, maybe decorated with official-looking flags, or maybe discreetly blended into the scenery.

  • Polling booths in banks
    An alternative would be to put polling booths in bank buildings. Most people visit banks often enough that they'd be able to vote without disrupting their 'scaping.

  • Town Criers
    A few towns have Town Criers wandering around. On a day-to-day basis, players generally don't need to use them for anything. If you didn't want additional scenery to be added for the in-game polls, we could put the poll menu options on the Town Criers themselves.

  • Varrock Herald...
    One of the more useless items in RuneScape is the Varrock Herald, a newspaper with no news. We could turn that into an item that opens the poll menu. That way, if you kept one in your bank, you could get it out to use when you want to vote. So long as you haven't already filled up all the new bankspace we gave you this summer, anyway.
     

  • ... or some other item
    If in-game polls were to be accessed via an item, it wouldn't necessarily have to be the Varrock Herald. We could create some new item, maybe calling it the Orb of Suffrage, which would offer the poll menu instead.

  • New buttons
    If we put the poll menu on a piece of scenery or a Town Crier, you'd have to go there to vote. If we put the poll menu on an item, you'd maybe end up using a bank space to store the item. It might be more convenient for you if we simply added a button to the game that you could click without having to go to a specific place. We could even make it disappear or grey itself out after you've voted.
    There's a bit of space on the gameframe by the minimap, or we could shrink the Report Abuse button to get some space there, or we could add it to a side-panel such as the Options panel.

While we'd have ideally liked to let you vote via a lobby screen, after entering your password but before you appear in the game world, Old School RuneScape hasn't got a lobby system and we're not likely to be able to offer one in the near future.

What happens now?

Use the survey tell us how you feel about in-game voting, and how you might like it to work. The survey will run until next week.

We'll use the results to write a more detailed blog of our plans. Then we'll offer it to you in a formal poll, where you'll get the chance to vote Yes or No on whether we should proceed.

Mods Alfred, Ash, John C, Mat K, Reach, Ronan & Weath
The Old School Team

28-Jul-2014 14:11:40

Joy
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Joy

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I highly support this idea. I know a ton of my friends cannot be bothered engaging in the OSRS polls, simply because they don't want to log in... Lazy, to each their own, I guess. I hope to see you go more in details: many players vote no on items when they do not understand the content in question. As for where you locate the polls, I could care a less.

More importantly and really the only reason I've come here is to copy/paste a argument I made elsewhere. I've debated making a thread on this topic if I find time, but I am very busy with college. Below, I've pasted an argument I made on another thread about the effectiveness of the 75% polling system. I have high beliefs that it is holding us back from expanding the game properly. These were very lazily written arguments and written in about 5-10 minutes. Furthermore, these are not all of my arguments against the 75% polling system. If I find time to write a thread I will personally invest the very best into it and tweet it.

Before any of you read and judge: I remind you. We did not choose the number 75% and now we are being effected. All factors included, the finalized number is a little less generous than 75. Far too many times have we crushed the whole of the community for a very vocal minority. Wasn't the "vocal minority" the insult we were given for Runescape 3 being a good idea? Yes, it was. I end it all here. Enjoy the read, below. I wish you luck with in-game polling.

28-Jul-2014 14:21:30 - Last edited on 28-Jul-2014 14:28:30 by Joy

Joy
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Joy

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I did say this is a discussion for elsewhere; as such, here it comes. The current 75% system is a bias and unjust system in which, we the players, had no say. Because of this, we the players, are the ones now suffering from its consequences. I will list a few of the arguments below.


1.) 74% Upset players outweighs 26% Satisfied / Vengeance hungry voters?
I've concluded from a conversation with Mod Ash that his opinion is as such. "If the majority of the players vote for it, I support it." So is it fair to crush 74% of the players upon a poll? Many of those who vote no often have a bias against the particular content in question; more on this below.

2.) Different Play Styles:
Runescape is comprised of several niches of players. We've got the bank standing / social players, clan communities, marketing and merchanting communities, pure communities, skillers, PvP'ers and PvM'ers; only to name a FEW! With each different style of enjoying the game comes different opinions. A pure obviously wont want the same content as a main. This creates an immediate spiteful bias at each and every poll that does not cater to each and all of the communities.

3.) Jagex's Struggle:
Lately, I have noticed every content piece be overly hyped in an attempt to create a interest among the community. Dev Blogs, Hyped up twitter, Twitch streams and Q&A's, multiple Surveys and Polls! This may be because of how harsh we bash every piece of content. Jagex has to work on each proposal! All of that work gets wasted as does their time! Think of all the work Mod Reach would have wasted if Corporeal Beast just gets destroyed at poll?

4.) Oldschool is OLDSCHOOL
A short, but sure percentage of players with the total level to do so will bring their NO's to the poll. Just because they want no change, ever, period.

5.) Understanding the content:
Simply put, some players just don't understand the content in question. = Dev Blogs.

28-Jul-2014 14:21:37 - Last edited on 28-Jul-2014 14:29:54 by Joy

Mod Ash

Mod Ash

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Bowjob said:
There still needs to be an option to not select either option if it doesn't concern you in the poll

If it doesn't concern you because you don't want in-game polls to happen at all, I recommend you go with "I don't like it" for all the options. And, of course, if this gets to the formal 75%-or-bust poll, you'll get to vote No then.

If it doesn't concern you because you honestly don't mind what happens, I recommend you go with "I'd accept it" for all the options.

28-Jul-2014 14:26:30

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