Would it be a possibility to be able to add the holy wrench to the toolebelt like the bonecrusher and charming imp? Or is it more of a situational item? Because I'd love to be able to have reduced prayer drain rate/prayer point restore at bosses where inventory space is vital for other items, and it would be a nice quality of life update.
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Yeah, this would be a tad overpowered. The reason Bonecrusher and Charming imp are on the toolbelt is they are drop cleaners. The holy wrench however is an item that boosts the restorative power of Prayer Potions, at the expense of either an inventory spot, or the pocket slot. Having it be on the toolbelt would be very much overpowered due to it's effect.Why no game balance in RS3 Jagex || VN discussion Thread
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- Last edited on 06-Mar-2017 04:47:36 by Jack Flac
Not really seeing the OP side here, but instead of just going by "it's overpowered", "too overpowered" or blah blah blah, let's use numbers to bring the point into contrast. Firstly being mentioned a huge part of this post is going to be based on a contributor on Runescape's Sub-Reddit as well who made a similar post on this dilemma. So without further ado let's start.
First of all, for the sake of clarity it should be laid out here for our readers be it supporters or non-supporters. To credit to Sparky076 a fellow Runescape Redditor who initiated the topic, the Holy Wrench itself;
"Does not slow down prayer drain rates. It has no prayer bonus. Visible or invisible"
"It purely increases the amount you can receive from potions that restore prayer points in some fashion. It increases Prayer Potions by 10-20 points per dose. We'll go with 20 for benefit sakes. For Super Restores and higher, it increases it from a range of 10-30 points. We'll stick to 20 for averaging. That's what I see most. For Prayer Renewal, it's about 5.5% more per dose. Or 29 prayer points per dose"
Now let's just take simplicity for our best interest, that we use Prayer Potions for an example.
Alright based on the quotation above, the increase we're expected to see per dose is around 10-20 prayer points per dose, but let's just utilise the maximum rates for the scenario. Now with that in mind let's use 99 Prayer as a benchmark since Prayer Potions restore your Prayer Points on differing values based on your skill level. So at 99 Prayer one should receive exactly 317 Prayer Points per dosage of your vial or flask. So with the Wrench in effect that's 337 Prayer Points per dose.
- Last edited on 06-Mar-2017 12:11:03 by yes TacoTaco
By that we need to chug down at least 16 doses (rounding off since you can't split a dose duh!) of Prayer Potions which equates to 4 Prayer Potion Vials or nearly three Prayer Flasks in order to get the benefit of a single dose which is solely restored by the Wrench itself.
Also with that in mind, you can't just go around chugging down 16 doses one after one in a quick succession to get all of that, as you'd need to wait for your points to drain down from usage and then reapply the potion and repeat until you chug down 16 doses in an efficient manner.
Adding on let's utilise high end prayers which you might be using in conjunction together for combat purposes like the existing Turmoil/Anguish/Torment and Soulsplit. Both of these prayers utilise 300 Prayer Points each where in the instance of using both we'll see up to 10 Prayer Points drained per second. Now with the benefit of the Wrench's passive which is a slight marginal increase of only 20 points per dose, what we're looking at here is that we're only benefiting of the longevity of these two prayers by an extra 2 seconds? With EoC being a set in stone method for combat now, with the global cooldown we're just looking at one additional ability proc.
- Last edited on 06-Mar-2017 11:28:07 by yes TacoTaco
Now back to referring Sparky's post on Reddit which I have read across:
"For the Holy Wrench to be useful, certain criteria needs to be met. These are, without including auras:
Carrying 17 Prayer Potions (4) (Restores 21,556 prayer points), you benefit from 16 Prayer Potions (4) + Holy Wrench (Restores 21,568 prayer points) [Assuming 20 points increase per dose]
Carrying 18 Super Restore (4) (Restores 23,544 prayer points), you benefit from 17 Super Restores (4) + Holy Wrench (Restores 23,596 prayer points) [Assuming 20 points increase per dose]
Carrying 22 Super Prayer Potions (4) (Restores 36,608 prayer points), you benefit from 21 Super Prayer Potions (4) + Holy Wrench (Restores 36,624 prayer points) [Assuming 20 points increase per dose]
Carrying 19 Prayer Renewal Potions (4) (Restores 39,216 prayer points), you benefit from 18 Prayer Renewal Potions (4) + Holy Wrench (Restores 39,240 prayer points) [Assuming 5.5% increase per dose, or 29 prayer points per dose]
Mario1432 from Reddit also posted that
"OP's idea has my full support. This is not even as game breaking as most people think it is. It takes 16.35 pots/flasks just to break even, and anything above that makes it worth the invo space. More Prayer points is not dps, just a tiny bit of a money saver at most (oooo, 15k saved after chugging 16.35 Restore flasks. Who brings that many in one trip anyways?). Also, most players won't even use it to its full potential anyways because they will drink Prayer pots that will restore over their level limit, which will not even benefit from the Wrench's effect. Lastly, it's not just for combat because skillers can use Seren Prayers."
- Last edited on 06-Mar-2017 11:35:17 by yes TacoTaco