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Valdar Sai
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Valdar Sai

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Futas, I've given ye my reply oan yer other thread. I hae nae intent ae debating wi' ye further

Mod Rowley, jest curious, can we get the drop rate ae the ancient elven wedding ring withoot the drop modifiers? Want it fer the wiki

09-Mar-2017 11:23:27

Darkhawk288
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Futas said:
Darkhawk288 said:
Because 66 to 97 slayer is only a few million xp,


A few million xp like it's nothing lmao.


In absolute terms I would say a few million xp is quite something (although in RS3 it's not that special, I guess). However, in this context of skilling pets with their incredibly small drop rates, a few million xp is actually hardly worth mentioning.

You can compare it to killing a big boss 15 times and expecting it to drop its rarest drop. It's possible, but it's also possible you have to kill it another 1000 times to get that drop.

Futas said:
Darkhawk288 said:
when it is not unusual that people don't even get the pet after more than 100 million xp.


Omg i had no idea!!!


Now that you finally know this, maybe you can start understanding that the chance of getting a skilling pet is extremely small and that it's unrealistic to expect it after having trained only a few million xp.

09-Mar-2017 13:01:58

Darkhawk288
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Futas said:
Darkhawk288 said:
Again: you're expecting that if you kill a powerful boss 15 times, you must get its rarest, most expensive drop.


Sorry to break this to you but you're a moron (though i'm pretty sure i've already pointed this out, but just to make sure in case i didn't). Not only do pull random numbers out of your rear whenever you want and use them as fact but now you're comparing an absolutely broken and unfair RNG and training for hours and hours to get a pet, to expecting a boss pet after just 15 kills. Your credibility speaks for itself.


I'm not pulling random numbers out of my rear. There are enough people who say they have gone dry for more than 100M xp. If someone trained 100M xp and they got 1K xp per skilling action, that means they performed 100,000 skilling actions. If they only got 500 xp per action, they performed 200,000 actions.

If people can perform hundreds of thousands of skilling actions without getting a pet, then obviously the drop rate isn't something like 1 in 5000 (like boss pets) or 1 in 500 (like hilt drops). You should be thinking about 1 in several tens of thousands or smaller, like 1 in 75,000 at least.

Also, the drop rates for skilling pets in OSRS are known. They are between 1 in several tens of thousands and 1 in several hundreds of thousands. Of course, just because it's like that in OSRS doesn't mean it's like that in RS3, but in combination with the fact that people didn't get pets even after training more than 100M xp, it's likely it's something like this in RS3 as well.

09-Mar-2017 13:11:21

Darkhawk288
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Also, I don't use those numbers as a fact. I'm only using them to make the theoretical stuff a bit clearer. I can't really explain to you in a simple way how chance works, if I can't use actual numbers as an example. How am I supposed to explain how a dice works, if I can't mention the numbers 1 to 6? Likewise, how am I supposed to explain that getting a skilling pet takes an extremely long time if I can't use some numbers, even if they're not completely correct, as a reference?

So, the numbers I use are based on several observations. You are the only one who's truly pulling numbers out of their rear. You trained a few million xp and claim that the system must be broken because you didn't get a pet yet. That strongly suggests you assume the chance of getting a pet must be pretty big, like 1 in 1000 or something. After all, if you'd accept that the chance is probably way smaller and you actually understood how chance works, you wouldn't be making a fool of yourself here.

Lastly, the comparison with 15 boss kills stands because the chance is so much different. A chance of receiving a rare boss drop is often something like 1 in 500, while skilling pets have to be something like 1 in 100,000. As such, you can't say that killing 15 bosses is the same as performing 15 skilling actions. Killing 15 bosses would be like gaining several millions of xp to get a skilling pet.

09-Mar-2017 13:17:35

Darkhawk288
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Valdar Sai said:
Darkhawk288, I'd advise ye nae tae try helping Futas any mair. They willnae accept any explanation other than crackpot conspiracy theories, and ignores any evidence that disnae fit his theory ae discrimination


At this point I don't think I'm really trying to 'help' anymore. It just bothers me that someone can be so extremely thick and not understand something so simple after getting so many explanations from so many people. I see it as a challenge and good exercise for myself to keep trying to find even simpler ways of explaining how chance works.

09-Mar-2017 13:22:03

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