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Jennette
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Hello, Since I play using legacy combat mode with a eoc interface, I would like to provide feedback and suggestions on how to improve the legacy combat experience.


-Problems while using legacy combat.

Lack of defensive abilities.

Difficulty eating and drinking potions.

Lack of offensive abilities.

Very slow adrenaline/special regeneration.

Few useful special weapons for max combat, zgs has a berserk-like special but the magic and range styles do not.

Special weapons are random and a lot of them need work, some have a high cost for a useless or ineffective attack.

Few useful weapons for basic combat, legacy combat practically forces you to use a 2h because dual weapons deal very little damage.

Weapon speed is important for legacy combat but rs3 has no fast/fastest 2h swords or staffs.

Not all bosses are compatible with legacy combat, Example - Zily saradomin gwd1 boss hard mode is unkillable in legacy mode because you need to finish it with an ultimate ability.

Auto attacks are slow with a Zgs and sometimes miss or hit really low at vind gwd2. Sometimes I hit really well, mostly but there seems to be chance to hit really bad or not at all even with super ovls, prayer, great gear and aura's.
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01-Dec-2018 18:57:32 - Last edited on 21-Jan-2019 03:58:36 by Jennette

Jennette
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-Solutions for multiple problems legacy combat has for bossing.


Add the rest of the defensive abilities to equipment slot items. Stunning and movement abilities should also be added to equipment slot items.

Introduce more weapons to fill 2h speed gaps and weapon special gaps.

Look over existing special weapons and make tweeks if needed.

Adjust dual wield weapons so occasional max hits match that of a 2h of the same level.

A option to link a food item to a drink item to be consumed in sequence in a single click, to avoid dragging and spamming.

Special bar regeneration for auto attacking.
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01-Dec-2018 18:59:18 - Last edited on 15-Jan-2019 00:58:23 by Jennette

Couldbeworse
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The only thing I hate about legacy combat is how the animations make you look like a r*tard.
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02-Dec-2018 01:47:39

Jennette
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I like the animations personally, but that's not really a problem with legacy combat. Besides you can change the walk/run animations still, however it is the same for combat.

My main concern about legacy combat is that it lacks crucial survival abilities that are required for boss encounters.

I understand legacy was intended to make the new game feel like the old game again, it still will in ways but you cant change the fact that this is rs3. Try and you will be brought back to reality by constant failures due to the lack of these survival abilities.
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02-Dec-2018 03:40:22

Rikornak
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Jennette said:
I like the animations personally, but that's not really a problem with legacy combat. Besides you can change the walk/run animations still, however it is the same for combat.

My main concern about legacy combat is that it lacks crucial survival abilities that are required for boss encounters.

I understand legacy was intended to make the new game feel like the old game again, it still will in ways but you cant change the fact that this is rs3. Try and you will be brought back to reality by constant failures due to the lack of these survival abilities.


But *why* are you then playing a mode emulating the old style of play, when the stuff you want is the new one? It specifically was introduced for players who just can't or don't want to bother with more advanced mechanics in combat.

I do not know your reasons, but if it's just about some low degree of engagement you could just play with revolution and activate that utility stuff manually whenever you need it.
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02-Dec-2018 06:30:14

Lord Drakan
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Jennette said:
Hello, Since I play using legacy combat mode with a eoc interface, I would like to provide feedback and suggestions on how to improve the legacy combat experience.


-Problems I have while using legacy combat for pvm bosses.

Lack of defensive abilities.

Difficulty eating and drinking potions.

Lack of offensive abilities.

Very slow adrenaline/special regeneration.

Few useful special weapons for max combat, zgs has a berserk-like special but the magic and range styles do not.

Special weapons are random and a lot of them need work, some have a high cost for a useless or ineffective attack.

Few useful weapons for basic combat, legacy combat practically forces you to use a 2h because dual weapons deal very little damage.

Weapon speed is important for legacy combat but rs3 has no fast/fastest 2h swords or staffs.

I mean, I like Legacy Mode; it's simple, relaxing and not as hectic as EoC. However, what you're asking for is EoC in some incarnation. Admittedly, pre-EoC there was stuff like damage soaking and the morphic shields' special attack which hasn't been re-introduced for Legacy Mode so I agree there could be *some* extra defensive stuff, but if it's abilities you want, I would suggest to just play in EoC.

What's the difficulty with eating/drinking though? As far as I know it's as fast as it is in EoC.

Special attack regeneration is slow; try using (super) adrenaline potions or Super Guthix rest tea.

I agree more higher-levelled weapons need special attacks, and some of them need improving. Some are outright broken.

The point of 2h weapons is that they are slow but hit high. For faster damage you could try a 1h weapon and either dual wield (it isn't that bad in my experience) or use a defender.

Hope this helped.
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02-Dec-2018 08:27:37

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Draco Burnz said:
Couldbeworse said:
The only thing I hate about legacy combat is how the animations make you look like a r*tard.


Well thats how it pretty much looked pre-eoc so.

For first time gotta agree with u.

UrekMazino said:
I think all or most of the problems you've stated here would be solved by using EoC.

And Eoc is the reason we have these problems.



Also I can add, I miss movement abilities.....
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02-Dec-2018 12:39:53 - Last edited on 02-Dec-2018 12:43:08 by removed-out

Jennette
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Well see I used to play using ability bars and manual combat, I like manual combat, I also like auto attacks. Most of the abilities I don't like the animations for. Also I prefer not using ability bars they clutter my screen. So for these reasons I enjoy legacy combat because it is pretty much manual combat with more auto attacks.

Legacy combat should not be years behind eoc when they are in the same game.

My suggested fixes will solve problems legacy has with hard pvm content that requires thinking. These fixes will not disrupt the legacy feel of the combat mode, we already have the provoke ability in the shield slot while using high level shields of value. It is time to add the other abilities that are required for normal gameplay in rs3.


The issue with dual wield weapons, (for all styles) low hits and low dpm, double rune cost for weak spell casts at a high speed which makes dual magic in legacy horrible.

The problem with eating and drinking in legacy mode compared to eating and drinking in eoc is that legacy has no way to key bind food and drink items, this being because legacy has no ability bar. So I came up with the creative idea option to link a food item to a drink item like: shark + saradomin brew to be consumed in that order without having to click both items manually. Which would save time and cause less interruptions.

Me switching to eoc does not solve any problems for legacy combat.. That is the lazy way around the issue and I prefer to fight for what I enjoy and in the manner that accustoms me.

If legacy combat was fixed then the game would be more complete. I have a hard time believing I am the only person that chooses legacy mode as my primary combat mode, why should people who choose legacy mode over eoc suffer.. So please think of others and the game in a whole before worrying about eoc being outshined by legacy, it will never happen but legacy cannot go neglected. Please fix my combat mode so I can enjoy the game once again.
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02-Dec-2018 14:44:40 - Last edited on 15-Jan-2019 01:10:15 by Jennette

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