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Foxxie said:

Split evenly across 6 days, that is just under
1700 tokens a day, costing 3.5 hours every single day!



"
Average play time is 2.5h a day for those who play everyday."


https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/b8kymy/jagex_appears_before_uk_parliament_inquiry/

Jagex players already spend 2.5 hours a day on the average. If you think 3.5 hours "every singe day" for a short event is not healthy, then Jagex players are not playing healthy games even without live events like this week's anyway.

07-Oct-2019 19:10:35 - Last edited on 08-Oct-2019 02:32:35 by Dilbert2001

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Foxxie said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Foxxie said:

Split evenly across 6 days, that is just under
1700 tokens a day, costing 3.5 hours every single day!



"
Average play time is 2.5h a day for those who play everyday."


https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/b8kymy/jagex_appears_before_uk_parliament_inquiry/

Jagex players already spend 2.5 hours a day on the average. If you think 3.5 hours "every singe day" for a short event is not healthy, then Jagex players are not playing healthy games even without live events like this week's anyway.

Foxxie said:

Well, 3.5 hours is definitely better than the 5 hours a day for the last one,
but it's hardly healthy; especially since this isn't a "choice".

Players might want to sit down and read a book, or play another game.
Or heck, maybe even play Runescape but do something other than grinding (like a quest).
But because of this event,
players feel like if they're not spending that time on Runescape then they're wasting time.
And while you will live and the world will not end if the rewards aren't obtained; why should you miss out on them?
They're free
.


Older quests are not healthy neither. The older grandmaster quest likes WGS take 8 hours to complete. Perhaps the 5-10 minutes a day daily tasks as Jagex told the UK Parliaments are the healthiest after all.

For your mental health, say YES to Dailyscape. :)

08-Oct-2019 04:11:38

Dilbert2001

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Mini JIT said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Foxxie said:

Split evenly across 6 days, that is just under
1700 tokens a day, costing 3.5 hours every single day!



"
Average play time is 2.5h a day for those who play everyday."


https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/b8kymy/jagex_appears_before_uk_parliament_inquiry/

Jagex players already spend 2.5 hours a day on the average. If you think 3.5 hours "every singe day" for a short event is not healthy, then Jagex players are not playing healthy games even without live events like this week's anyway.



Is there a limit on gameplay time? Can it be bypassed?

6h automatic log for all players. Can log back in immediately if a player wants to.

How many players play 6h and get cut off?

Do not have figures to hand but happy to share after.

Why 6 hours? What harm is it intended to prevent?

Used to be auto log outs on 4h. Community didn't like forced log outs. In response, this was relaxed to 6h.


What a load of lies, it use to be 6 hours and now its 24 hours, it was never 4 hours.


Do your TV and radio log you out every 6 hours? No. Not in most countries except perhaps China and a few Communist ones.

We already have inactivity force-logout already, and in the case of RS3 they have reduce the inactivity timer to 5 minutes from 10 long ago.

08-Oct-2019 16:49:09

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Mini JIT said:
^ No the inactivity timer use to be 2 mins then went up to 5 mins it was never 10 mins and even then all it did was send you to lobby. Classic had a 30 second timer and it sent you to log out screen.

My point it whoever answered those questions lied to MP's.


Log into your Jagex games and
DO NOT USE 3PC
, you will see the inactivity logout timer is 5 minutes and has been for a looooonnnnnnnggggggg time.

Jagex did not lie about blocking anybody to play more than 6 hours a day at all. Neither didn't TV or radio stations "lie".

08-Oct-2019 17:12:31

Dilbert2001

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Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Mini JIT said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Foxxie said:

Split evenly across 6 days, that is just under
1700 tokens a day, costing 3.5 hours every single day!



"
Average play time is 2.5h a day for those who play everyday."


https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/b8kymy/jagex_appears_before_uk_parliament_inquiry/

Jagex players already spend 2.5 hours a day on the average. If you think 3.5 hours "every singe day" for a short event is not healthy, then Jagex players are not playing healthy games even without live events like this week's anyway.



Is there a limit on gameplay time? Can it be bypassed?

6h automatic log for all players. Can log back in immediately if a player wants to.

How many players play 6h and get cut off?

Do not have figures to hand but happy to share after.

Why 6 hours? What harm is it intended to prevent?

Used to be auto log outs on 4h. Community didn't like forced log outs. In response, this was relaxed to 6h.


What a load of lies, it use to be 6 hours and now its 24 hours, it was never 4 hours.


Do your TV and radio log you out every 6 hours? No. Not in most countries except perhaps China and a few Communist ones.

We already have inactivity force-logout already, and in the case of RS3 they have reduce the inactivity timer to 5 minutes from 10 long ago.


The auto logout timer was 6 hours and was raised to 23 hours. Either Jagex doesn't know their own game, or pretty blatantly lied to parliament. Not sure why you posted a link to a list of Jagex's lies in this thread though. If you wanted to call out Jagex on those falsehoods, you could have just started your own thread on rants or something.


What lie? Jagex never 2.5 hour average play time. Where do you see the lie?

08-Oct-2019 17:27:46

Dilbert2001

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Mini JIT said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Mini JIT said:
^ No the inactivity timer use to be 2 mins then went up to 5 mins it was never 10 mins and even then all it did was send you to lobby. Classic had a 30 second timer and it sent you to log out screen.

My point it whoever answered those questions lied to MP's.


Log into your Jagex games and
DO NOT USE 3PC
, you will see the inactivity logout timer is 5 minutes and has been for a looooonnnnnnnggggggg time.

Jagex did not lie about blocking anybody to play more than 6 hours a day at all. Neither didn't TV or radio stations "lie".


I know the inactivity timer is 5 mins, I said it use to be 2 mins then went UP to 5 mins, you claimed it was 10 mins then went DOWN to 5 mins. That's not the point I was talking about your own link you posted where they claim the game logs you out after 6 hours but it does not and has not done for years. they said it went from 4 hours to 6 hours its a lie, it went from 6 hours to 24 hours.


I do get auto-logout every few hours and I
DO NOT USE 3PC
. That's I can tell you. :D

08-Oct-2019 17:29:07

Dilbert2001

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Mini JIT said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Mini JIT said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Mini JIT said:
^ No the inactivity timer use to be 2 mins then went up to 5 mins it was never 10 mins and even then all it did was send you to lobby. Classic had a 30 second timer and it sent you to log out screen.

My point it whoever answered those questions lied to MP's.


Log into your Jagex games and
DO NOT USE 3PC
, you will see the inactivity logout timer is 5 minutes and has been for a looooonnnnnnnggggggg time.

Jagex did not lie about blocking anybody to play more than 6 hours a day at all. Neither didn't TV or radio stations "lie".


I know the inactivity timer is 5 mins, I said it use to be 2 mins then went UP to 5 mins, you claimed it was 10 mins then went DOWN to 5 mins. That's not the point I was talking about your own link you posted where they claim the game logs you out after 6 hours but it does not and has not done for years. they said it went from 4 hours to 6 hours its a lie, it went from 6 hours to 24 hours.


I do get auto-logout every few hours and I
DO NOT USE 3PC
. That's I can tell you. :D


I don't use any bot programs or auto clickers and it still never logs me out, common for me to stay logged in for 6+ hours without ever being booted. If you getting logged out every few hours then its from your isp end and not jagex.

Yes I was 1 of those who first complained about the 6 hour log out timer many years ago but we never said bring it to 24 hours and all we asked for was a onscreen warning when there was like 30 mins left like we get with updates.


Perhaps you and me are just 2 extremely small samples, especially when you don't even seem to be playing often... like no activities in 4 days. But it is not bad in term of mental health I guess. :)

08-Oct-2019 18:14:21

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Mini JIT said:
@Dilbert2001 What do you mean I am not active? I just looked and it shows me as ranked 6th on HCIM. My average is always about 60m xp per month, ad log shows less because it wont show 200m skills, I still do loads of farming for herbs and I still need dung pet. Invention pet was at 360m xp.

The only thing I hide on ad log is boss kills because of the spam but it does not mean I am not active. My 10 lowest skills have less than 1m xp between them and I have a reaper pet that shows over 500 tasks done. I doubt you will find many other red skulls with that.

Oh and btw this is not even my main account and even I have one that shows member since 2006 (which even use to have access to classic vets world) just like you which is why I can spot your lies like the 10 min inactivity timer or the 4 hour log out timer both of which have never existed.

@FOXXIE sorry was not trying to take over your thread but if he wants to post links full of lies then I will pull him out for it.


So you admit you are not always active. You do take breaks like the others. Good then, as I mentioned, that's healthy to take breaks and not just to blindly go for xp and grind even more after hitting the 200 mil xp cap.

As for your other alts? That's not mentally healthy as you admitted just the account you are posting in the forum with has 60 mil xp a month. That's 2 mil xp a day already... and "that's not even your main". I am sure the UK Parliament and the WHO frown upon them. :(

As for you "will pull <whoever> out for <whatever>", I am afraid not only is this thread not meant for such purpose, it is also not these RSOF are for. For that reason, please use FH if you have any problem. Thanks.

09-Oct-2019 18:24:57

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The UK Government may be up to something to make games healthier with their Green Paper on Internet Safety released a couple of days ago:

"The government will work closely with online platforms, game publishers and developers, and with agencies such as the VSC Rating Board8 to continue to improve online safety in games. Part of our work with industry will consider how to increase diversity and inclusion in gaming communities, and how to promote good practice in community management and technical player protection measures"


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/650949/Internet_Safety_Strategy_green_paper.pdf

They are asking the VSC Rating Board and UKIE to work on the AskAboutGames initiative. In short, they want self regulating entities to push for parental guidance, age ratings and to promote diversity and inclusion in gaming communities instead of solo aimless long grind which causes addictions and gaming disorders.

10-Oct-2019 23:23:12

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Xelxius said:
HazelmerePlz said:
Gwyndolynn said:
scousy said:
It's unhealthy to nerf farming and hunter xp rates because I am forced to train it longer then I normally should.


But unlike farming/hunter this is a time limited event. You can take a few weeks to Max those out of a few years. This charity even however is a matter of days.


Which you are free to not participate in...

Don't get me wrong, I like bashing companies as much as the next, but are we really so desperate to bag on Jagex that we create iusses?

If "3.5 hours" a day is bad for mental health, or "$23 is too much and might be a gate-way to binge-spending", DONT FUCKING DO IT.

It's that simple... I don't participate in the events for the simple fact I do not want to. Its unlikely i'd even accumulate the required number of tokens, but still. Am i bothered? Not. Even. Slightly.


Congrats, you're not the target audience they're trying to get money from then.

Still doesn't change the fact that shit like this is predatory.


What? Jagex is not making any money from this event. They are donating the money.

I don't think they target any audience neither as the more the general public donate, they more help the mental health charities get.

11-Oct-2019 22:08:25

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Roddy Piper said:
Dilbert2001 said:
The UK Government may be up to something to make games healthier with their Green Paper on Internet Safety released a couple of days ago:

"The government will work closely with online platforms, game publishers and developers, and with agencies such as the VSC Rating Board8 to continue to improve online safety in games. Part of our work with industry will consider how to increase diversity and inclusion in gaming communities, and how to promote good practice in community management and technical player protection measures"


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/650949/Internet_Safety_Strategy_green_paper.pdf

They are asking the VSC Rating Board and UKIE to work on the AskAboutGames initiative. In short, they want self regulating entities to push for parental guidance, age ratings and to promote diversity and inclusion in gaming communities instead of solo aimless long grind which causes addictions and gaming disorders.


Ironic that this event is a solo do-it-yourself grind. Where many other similar events brought the community together with skilling stations. As soon as I saw the 3 lonely NPC's I couldn't really believe they had done it this way. And the multiple choice questions for a lamp is NOT a good way to educate. You are mixing bad information with the good, which only causes confusion. It would be better if they just told us what they were doing.


Can't you group if you want to... like group bossing or coop slayer? You still get tokens.

If you only care about the "good" information, you can always go to:

https://runescape.wiki/w/Mental_Health_Awareness_Week

12-Oct-2019 02:08:57 - Last edited on 12-Oct-2019 02:24:35 by Dilbert2001

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scousy said:
Steelweaver said:
Jagex posting record profits but also having the lowest average playercount on RS3 since RuneScape Classic.
S'what got me.



That's because we have 2 games now instead of 1.


That's more because they have more MTX than years ago. Without the $25-30 mil a year from just TH and Runecoins, Jagex would not have record revenue and profits years after year. Without putting most Bond revenue, which is actually in-game purchase if not MTX according to ESRB, in the subscription revenue category, Jagex also would not have posted that much higher "subscription" revenue.

And before we continue with this discussion/argument on profits and playercount, may I ask how is it related to this thread first?

16-Oct-2019 17:52:09 - Last edited on 16-Oct-2019 17:54:21 by Dilbert2001

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Steelweaver said:
Dilbert2001 said:
scousy said:
Steelweaver said:
Jagex posting record profits but also having the lowest average playercount on RS3 since RuneScape Classic.
S'what got me.



That's because we have 2 games now instead of 1.


And before we continue with this discussion/argument on profits and playercount, may I ask how is it related to this thread first?


Making an event for mental health that encourages a minimum daily playtime that continues to perpetuate the idea that there should be paid shortcuts for everything during a time where playercount is in the decline.

That's not to say that they made the event to try and get people to log in and play for X amount of time, but it's what this event boils down to regardless of the reasonings behind it.

Yes, RS is a grindy game.


Don't you realize this is a one-off event and Jagex is not making any money. How does it have to do with player count and how much money Jagex makes?

16-Oct-2019 18:23:59

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Foxxie said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Steelweaver said:
Dilbert2001 said:
scousy said:
Steelweaver said:
Jagex posting record profits but also having the lowest average playercount on RS3 since RuneScape Classic.
S'what got me.



That's because we have 2 games now instead of 1.


And before we continue with this discussion/argument on profits and playercount, may I ask how is it related to this thread first?


Making an event for mental health that encourages a minimum daily playtime that continues to perpetuate the idea that there should be paid shortcuts for everything during a time where playercount is in the decline.

That's not to say that they made the event to try and get people to log in and play for X amount of time, but it's what this event boils down to regardless of the reasonings behind it.

Yes, RS is a grindy game.


Don't you realize this is a one-off event and Jagex is not making any money. How does it have to do with player count and how much money Jagex makes?


This event is copy-and-pasted from lots of previous events where the issue is the same. This is an ongoing issue, and a number of people feel like using this manipulative formula that preys on addictive behaviour and impulsive tendencies
to support mental health
is insulting at best, not to mention flat out wrong.


If it is "an ongoing issue", why is the discussion in RGU?

17-Oct-2019 00:48:55

Dilbert2001

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Foxxie said:
Dilbert2001 said:

If it is "an ongoing issue", why is the discussion in RGU?


Because it is ongoing. As in, it happened recently. Back on topic please.


Did your OP say anything about "on-going" or MTX or concurrent players? Your thread title even explicit said this thread is about the (Mental Healthness)
EVENT
.

18-Oct-2019 16:39:06

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Konota said:
Their event should be about how to stop being addicted to games. I'd happily participate.


Addiction is not the only form of mental illness. For example, if you answered the daily questions when this event was running, you should know lack of self-confidence is also a form of mental illness, and half of the youth reported "poor mental health" but nothing is said that all of them played video games.

So this event was already very educational and informative.

19-Oct-2019 01:15:15 - Last edited on 19-Oct-2019 01:16:24 by Dilbert2001

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