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Mooti said:

yes it is a mmo game but that shouldn't mean u have to rely on other players to get the top achievements.
But you do gg.

If the requirement was easy like doing pest control or whatever 0 people would be complaining that its group content. People only complain because the reqs are too hard for them. Get good. Nobody who got reaper themselves complains about group content.
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27-Jul-2018 14:50:30

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Kcin said:
the "Famous" title is a comp req, that is completing Morvran's special slayer assignment, and that includes killing 10 bosses, with a debuff added to you after each kill.

So like I said, removing reaper doesn't remove bossing.
Removing (list of my 10 least favourite skills) doesn't remove skilling from comp. So please remove them! I really don't want to do them :( but I deserve comp anyway
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27-Jul-2018 17:55:22

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Team Skull said:
Oh, I can do it- I just don't care for Comp like that and it's actually better gameplay for me to not have to deal with pseudoelitists on a consistent basis. I may wind up wanting to recomp after getting 200m slayer is for plebs btw

It was actually Invention that made me De-Comp 2 weeks later (Gratz on making assumptions though), and then went to ezscape from there to work on my 43 prayer (same acc btw). You are nothing to me, if I may be completely honest.

And I mean, if that's your only response to me in response to me directly contradicting your "point", then I guess I have to question why I should take you seriously past this post. Just sayin'.
I can't help but notice that you didn't say you have reaper??

Also gratz on 120 Invention. Recomped? ;)
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29-Jul-2018 15:25:57

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Team Skull said:
I mean, I
did
- and I was on a few of Evil Lucario's teams in the process, but then Luca quit because lolEoCPvMistoobasic (Even have the Discord screenshots for that).

Could easily ask others for me to be on their team (I've proven myself), but like I said- I prefer to not deal with pseudoelitists on a consistent basis. It's not a matter of I can't, but moreso "Don't want to right now", and your decidedly petty attempts at goading me (Trust me mate, I've been PvPing for years) won't work.

Also, I can't help but notice you quote edited me, saying 200M Slayer is for plebs- is it perhaps because I am a higher rank than you there? :thinking: Hell, I am a higher rank than you overall, so I don't know why you're trying to talk shit.
Who cares who you PvM with? Does holding a streamer's cock make you feel good?

If you were actually good at PvM you would know slayer is trash... Not even a real skill... Only people who can't boss do it... I would be ashamed, not proud, to have a single experience point past comp req.
Higher rank overall? At what, skilling? I'm not a skiller I do PvM and PvP. XP rates and TH are so broken no one even cares if ur 5.4b.
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30-Jul-2018 20:53:32

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UrekMazino said:
Just because something bad already exists doesn't mean we need to add more/make it worse, I'd say remove the merchant but I already know what response I'm going to get.
This

Well it's ok for some of the misc items, like reset tokens which were TH only.
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02-Aug-2018 05:06:22

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Team Skull said:
For two, you're saying I can't do it, and if I couldn't do it due to skill, higher end PvMers wouldn't be taking me, now would they?
If you look at the people around you to boost your ego thats just sad. You don't say I've done x or I'm good at y you say I orbit around some personality.
Had to check who that was anyway. Turns out he runs (ran?) "Boss school" which is... "dedicated to helping inexperienced players get their feet wet". I guess that would be you.

Team Skull said:
I can do it I just don't feel like it it would take minutes to kill each boss once but I just don't have the time
Alright time to continue my 200m slayer grind
then play 43prayerscape


Also, the sheer fact you're saying all of this this and brainlessly flaming me and others screams superiority complex. Just saying.
Probably a side effect of superiority.
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02-Aug-2018 05:18:54

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Smasherley said:
Espeically since Jagex feel the need to push out group content that no one wants and making the solo option more endgame than 500% telos
Wrong.Smasherley said:
The dungeon takes t90s to complete
Very Wrong.Smasherley said:
I thought I HAD more money than sense
Guess you have less money than you thought. Smasherley said:
you can't expect people who have spent hundreds, maybe thousands of hours to not be frosty about it.
Put thousands of hours into skilling and mindless grinds but too lazy to spend a couple of hours at most learning a boss?
Comp is always going to get taken away, you can get frosty or realise what you signed up for.Smasherley said:
Seiyru is totally random and that in itself is aids.
Having to have reactions? Must be too hard. Bosses that follow specific attack patterns each time are way too easy. You can just turn your brain off. Smasherley said:
and not scaling it to group size and calling it an elite dungeon.. Because you haven't scaled it.
Wasn't supposed to be scaled. Trio was advertised as easy mode, solo was advertised as a harder more rewarding version (drops and exp could be buffed more for solo but that's not on topic).
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02-Aug-2018 05:31:57

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Smasherley said:
I doubt you've done it in group mode let alone solo
lol Mooti said:
comp should be a achievable as a solo player.
No, it's entirely your choice not to play with other people on an MMORPG. Smasherley said:
Nex is so easy you can solo it now... And he calls it life? And has the nerve to troll people disliking endgame..
I doubt you can solo Nex. In under 8 minutes.
Fact is, she is one of the best designed bosses in RS. Fun, engaging and rewarding to solo. Smasherley said:
Look at it like this.. God wars 2 bosses have 200,000 lp . On story mode Sanctum Guardian has 225,000, normal that is doubled to 450,000 which is more health than telos upto 50% ENRAGE. Masuta on normal mode is 550,000 health. Seiryu on solo is 300k PER ROTATION and then the crystals are 150k each.
So HP = difficulty lol? I guess Clawdia is harder than Telos...
But I agree Seiryu is tediously long for little reward, and solo rewards should be buffed more. Smasherley said:
Seiryu's scales are like so rare on group.. Ive killed it nearly 40 times and gotten 13 scales and i know 3 scales have come from lucky charms..
You should probably try to solo (not that you even can) you would have a minimum of 240 scales just from Seiryu.
Still poor money, but not every boss has to be the next Telos. The real reward from TOA are the Chimes and DG tokens. The drops could all be better (Seiryu gives same amount of Chimes as a 10k hp basic NPC? lol ok), but it's nice if you need those.
At the same time it's kind of sad becase if you don't then the dungeon is dead content.
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03-Aug-2018 20:31:49

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Xavathos said:
Exactly this. Everything is an MMO nowadays, even the age old single player genre ARPG. (with D3 and POE for example being popular successful games, both fully online only and in constant contact with other players)

That doesn't mean, however, people also like to play with others all the time, or at all. I have a massive friendlist on POE which I've accumulated over the years, but I can count on one hand the amount of people in it that enjoy group play.

I've never played in a party ever on POE, and on RS the only thing I do enjoy which is multiplayer is a few minigames and co-op Slayer. That's it. I don't like bossing and as such I'm not practiced in it. Group bosses therefor become a massive hurdle for me, as I don't want to let the team down on top of not enjoying it.
If you don't like the genre then don't play it? You must have known RS was an MMO when you signed up.

It's like you're joining a relay race, complaining that you don't like it and that it should be changed to a solo race instead of just joining a solo race.

If you're not experienced at bossing then it's not group bosses stopping you, it's all the bosses. If you can do all the solo boss then you are capable of and can easily learn the group bosses too.
If you don't like group bosses, that's the big deal? You only have to do them once for reaper/comp. Surely you can bear to co-operate with people for one kill?

P.S. This is RS not POE... whatever POE is...
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03-Aug-2018 20:41:13

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Esploratore said:
Sure. If being a scrub is sitting at rank 8719
in Runescape qualifies as being a scrub, that's me. And it's clear who is deserving of the arrogant snob designation. You know nothing of what another player is capable of in the game. Too much elitist bs on this thread. I'm out.
WOW, top 10,000?!

You don't even have much exp, even if you did having exp just means you're good at AFKing/opening up TH keys. Doesn't mean you're good at the game.
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05-Aug-2018 07:39:37

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Team Skull said:
And why can't PvP be on the cape? Require all titles from Deathmatch/Crucible/whatever the fuck it's called now?

I mean, if we're going to place arbitrary reqs that have little to no relation to a cape (literally pointed out the ONLY reason Reaper is even on Comp is because of Vanquisher's Cape, which is COSMETIC whereas all other capes that Comp requires TMK have actual tangible bonuses and one kill isn't even close to sufficient for the Cape to begin with), we may as well start adding reqs for the sake of it at this point.
None of this is a reason to take requirements off tho
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05-Aug-2018 07:42:04

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Singularity said:
Then again, some people want more so greed plays a part as well. Those same people that say, "lmfa0 get gud kid, comp is FOR people that can kill ALL bosses, not for you scrubs that don't have friends or can't even kill a single boss" act like they have an issue with people wanting the cape back easily without putting in the work..

...And then behind the scenes, they're going "Do you need a group boss kill and are struggling to get your comp cape back? Fear not, friend. I, and many others, are here to help you out, for a price. Pay us and we allow you onto our teams, you can just sit there and do nothing of value and we'll do the rest. You don't need to prove anything to get your cape back. We'll let you off because you gave us your money". So basically, they're fine with letting what they view as "scrubs" get their capes back for no work if they get something back in return. Makes sense that they'd want it to remain this way. Easy for them to hide behind, "we care about comp and its values, keep it this way so our sales keep rolling in". That's what it seems like anyway.
This^

Bosses shouldn't be leechable. They should release team fights where every person is required to fill a vital role.
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06-Aug-2018 05:03:47

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Team Skull said:
Nex is Life said:

Bosses shouldn't be leechable. They should release team fights where every person is required to fill a vital role.
Any bright ideas on how to do this that haven't already been thought of?
Yes you dingdong have x concurrent roles and make x the maximum teamsize

Jagex's main problem is stuff like letting 50 people into an instance for a boss designed for 5
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07-Aug-2018 01:41:45

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Singularity said:
Either way, making group bosses unleechable will in turn lead to a comp rework for the simple fact that there's a lot more people that can't interact with group bosses (it doesn't matter what the reason is) than those that say "it's fine and shouldn't change". And no, this is not an inaccurate assumption, you can clearly see the amount of people that can't group boss by the number of people leeching (aka buying) kills.
"Can't"
I hear this word a lot. A reason a lot of reasons aka excuses as to why people "can't". But there is nothing physically stopping 99% of players from going and killing a group boss, the only things stopping them are laziness and ignorance.
Unwillingness to learn, that is laziness. All the resources and information are available, you can see every mechanic of every bosses and multiple strategies for them with a youtube search or on the RS wiki, and there are endless other sources of information.
There is no real reason these people "can't interact with group bosses", absolutely none.
Jagex allowing boss requirements to be leechable is the cause of the problem. If everyone had to pull their weight, people would be bothered to learn instead of leeching, and more experienced PvMers would offer to help teach people instead of selling leeches.

If someone can't be bothered to spend a few hours practising a boss to get just one kill they don't deserve comp cape. They are lazy.

People don't like to find teams - another tired and worn out excuse. It's just one kill. Laziness is their only problem, because there are other people out there looking and there are teams willing to take learners - which many people are ignorant of.
If finding a team without experience is impossible how did everyone else get their first kill? It was magicked on to our accounts? We knew exactly how to do the boss before it came out?
No we sat down and learnt, and practised.
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07-Aug-2018 01:47:12

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Nex is Life said:
there are other people out there looking and there are teams willing to take learners - which many people are ignorant of.
I want to add to this.
All someone would have to do is visit the teamwork section of the forums to find other people, and FCs, many welcoming to learners, to bring themselves into contact with a huge number of people. There are numerous other ways to find teams too, like clans and communities on third party sites, etc.
However it is a pain to find other people ingame aside from people you already know.

Jagex need to completely overhaul their teamfinder system, link the teamwork forums in the boss information and grouping system interfaces or think of something entirely new to make this easier for people to do ingame, both for people new to PvM, and experienced PvMers looking for teams.
However it is not impossible for people to find their teams in the meantime... they seem to have no problem finding the selling leeches threads (which should all be deleted or at least moved) right next to the threads of various PvM and learner PvM friends' chats.

Singularity said:
And at the end of the day, such a rework that simply cuts group bosses from regular comp does nothing harmful to the cape itself and its worth. That pretty much remains the same.
It would devalue comp cape which should not be easily obtainable. Certainly not as a BIS cape to someone who can't even kill each boss once. For those people there is Max cape and various other achievement capes/not capes.
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07-Aug-2018 01:51:57 - Last edited on 07-Aug-2018 02:03:02 by Nex is Life

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Team Skull said:
The sheer fact you say this tells me you don't PvM. At all.

Solak is what? maximum of 7 people?

People found a way to leech that.

Raids is a maximum of 10.

People found a way to leech both.

RotS is maximum of 4 people...still leeched.

There are also designated roles for each member in the group (albeit implied), and yet...you guessed it! It's still leeched.

Both also fit your criteria of X Designated Roles and Y team size, and yet...leeched.

So check yourself before you wreck yourself. Just sayin'.
Not one of those has the same number of concurrent roles as team size, which you would know if you could PvM or had ever done a role at those bosses.

Yakamaru mirage phase has the most with a total of 4 concurrent roles (BT, NT, SH10, JW), 6 if you count the Stun5s (which could be one Stun10)... Team size: 10. That's 4+ leeches.
There are 10 roles total throughout the kill with PT+CPR, and let's include MS and BUS too (lol), but they aren't exclusive as you don't need them at the same time as your mirage roles.

Solak has 2 (non-exlusive) roles. That's not 7.
ROTS doesn't have any roles, unless you count running, then you have 2.
Every other group boss, AoD, Vorago, etc has no team size limit and is massable

Unless you think DPS is a role?

Team Skull said:
You're talking to someone who doesn't even PvM, with clear evidence in that they said bosses needed to have maximum team sizes and designated roles...when they already have those kinds of bosses in game and are leechable.
I said the same number of designated roles as team size. Learn to read.
5 man limit with 2 vital roles = leechable
5 man limit with 5 vital roles = not leechable
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07-Aug-2018 06:07:43 - Last edited on 07-Aug-2018 06:09:53 by Nex is Life

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Singularity said:
It would not devalue comp. The people that can't kill all bosses once still get the cape even today because an option for group bosses exists already: leeching kills.

You remove group bosses off regular comp, you don't devalue the achievement, you just make it so these same people don't have to trust trade for effortless kills. Whether or not the rework happens, the same amount of people get the cape. It's just now people don't have to pay any other player to skip it.

It'd be devalued if it eliminated all bosses because that would actually change something drastic about the cape. But removing group bosses does nothing because people that can't do it already skip it. So what exactly do you devalue?
What do you devalue by removing dungeoneering from comp you can leech that

The solution is to make team fights that require every member to participate Singularity said:
More like interesting to see how they explain the impact removing something has that people already skip when they can't do it. They never really can. It's solo bosses that really prove someone's PvM ability because you cannot be carried at all by anyone. When someone kills a solo boss, you know it's them alone that did it. You see people that might be "gods" (or at least think/act like they are) at AoD or Solak but seem to struggle at a boss like Telos (high enrage). You can guess why that is. Just shows, group bosses are normally easier than comparable solo ones because someone can pick up your slack. Slack at a solo boss and you're usually punished greatly.
Yeah it's hilarious how many people camp Angel of combat dummy but can't even do Telos and think they're hot shit.

Tbh, extend Morvran's challenge to all solo bosses, class regular Nex as a solo boss, include Telos at 100% and then you have much better PvM requirements than Reaper.
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07-Aug-2018 06:20:01

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Nex is Life said:
Tbh, extend Morvran's challenge to all solo bosses, class regular Nex as a solo boss, include Telos at 100% and then you have much better PvM requirements than Reaper.
I still think group PvM should be on the requirements. But Jagex need to make at least one fight where every person has to do their job to succeed, instead of 1/3 of the team doing the roles to carry the rest of the team who are AFK revo.

Or even add a requirement for which you need to role a group boss. Like getting the bomb tank drops at Rago. Or getting 15 enrage from BM. lul

EDIT: could make them group pvm achievements, and integrate achievements into comp (which they should already be)
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07-Aug-2018 06:25:22 - Last edited on 07-Aug-2018 06:35:48 by Nex is Life

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Team Skull said:
You schooled me and I now have no response, so I'm just going to baselessly call you ignorant and say you have no clue what you're talking about (because I have no clue what I'm talking about). I win!

I mean, shit dude- you named yourself after a boss that can be camped in Dragon Rider armor- hardly anything I'd consider "pro".
Obviously I have much more knowledge than you since I can actually do all those bosses you listed, and have done, extensively.

Every boss in the game can be camped in Dragon Rider armour - or no armour, so was what does that prove? I am aware Nex is not the strongest boss, that does not stop me enjoying her. I doubt you can solo.

P.S. I took this name when I was camping AoD - it refers to both Nex encounters. AoD is even easier lol
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07-Aug-2018 16:22:13

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Singularity said:
Dungeoneering is different because it offers a solo option. If you remove Dungeonnering, you remove the entire skill lol. You can't solo most of the group bosses though. If you could, they'd be no need to remove these bosses at all. Jagex won't do this though as it's likely too much work.

There's only a need to remove group bosses from the list because unlike Dungeoneering, they don't give the player the option to just go at it alone. You are forced to group boss, you are not forced to Dungeoneer in groups.
You were talking about group bosses being leechable. Dungeoneering is leechable. Group bosses with a solo option would be leechable too, you could still go in a group and leech.
Your argument was that people didn't have to put work in themselves, they could leech in a corner but that would not change.

There is no reason all content has to be soloable, there is no reason you should not have to do group activities to comp.
If you can't be bothered to do group content that's too bad. Reaper is only one kill on each boss, you aren't being asked to change your playstyle for life, you're being asked to spend...
Raid = 15 minutes
Solak = 15 minutes
Rago = 11 minutes
AoD = 4 minutes or in mass... 5 minutes
KK = 2 minutes or just mass in 30 seconds
ROTS = 1 min

All in all under an hour spent in group activities. Say you fail A LOT of kills and have poor killtimes, let's imagine you spend 8 hours.
What's wrong with 8 hours of of group PvM? For comp, you need over 600m experience, you need to spend weeks grinding out various requirements from Quests to Menaphos to the Arc. There is no argument that there shouldn't be PvM requirements, there is no argument that requirement is too long, and there is no argument group content should be excluded. If you refuse to team up with other players that's your choice just like not comping is your choice.
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08-Aug-2018 05:45:36

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Singularity said:
No, it was an argument used to dismiss claims that comp would be severely devalued (people believe the removal of group bosses dooms the cape when it doesn't) with the removal of group bosses. I mentioned leeching to remind you and anyone else that people that already can't kill the group bosses already skip that part of the requirements because they pay others to do it. Because of this, removing group bosses does nothing to the cape itself. It just means these same people, that already don't interact with group bosses the way it's intended, now no longer have to trust trade to skip what they already skip.

The biggest challenge is not the bosses themselves, they are easy and can be learnt just like solo ones, it's the people.

I mean, you have to be on the other side to really see the problem I suppose. Once you've got your team and more than enough friends to boss with, you can easily forget how bad it is for someone new.
It would devalue comp. If the requirement were so easy people wouldn't be begging for it to be removed and crying their eyes out.
People who "skip" the requirement anyway - well the problem is making endgame group content leechable.
You can skip DG from 1-120 by buying leeches guess that should be removed too? And wouldn't devalue comp?
"Dooms the cape" - you are exaggerating, but no shouldn't be handed out. If the requirements are too hard stick with Max/other achievements.

It's just unwillingness to find teams. You don't need a bursting friends' list of PvMers online 24/7, I damn sure don't.
I could make a new account, not add anyone, have 0kc in everything and still find teams just by being willing to put myself out there.
These people, who complain about group bosses, 99% of them have never even tried them nor even tried to make a team nor join an FC for the boss or anything like that. Because if they did they wouldn't be begging for removal.
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08-Aug-2018 15:32:36

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Team Skull said:
That's nice.

How much did it cost you?
More than your bank just in overloads Team Skull said:
But bro, according to Nexy Poo, you're just a scrub if you want group bosses off Reeeeeeaper for Comp and just need to git gud, even doe ur "success" is based on another's competence.

Plus like...if he were this godly PvMer like he thinks he is...Wouldn't he have Final Boss by now instead of Annihilator? I mean, he sure as hell talks it.
If you were competent yourself the requirement wouldn't be a problem.

I wear the Annihilator because it is a nice shade of purple. FB? cbf with 80 more kilns and that was before EDG came out plus I wouldn't wear that scrub title unless it was gold. Maybe if I get Vitalis I'll do the whole FB/IFB grind, the only thing that could convince me to do those kilns, is needing it for IFB.
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08-Aug-2018 15:40:59

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B I L L Y said:
can I just ask why do you care so much about this nex

I means its not like your close to it

or are you making cash from leaching idk just want to know why you care so much
People shouldn't get stuff for free

Also tears are delicious

I'm closer than you BTW nice qp cape
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09-Aug-2018 06:24:14

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Singularity said:
Nothing new I imagine:

"Get good"

"Stop being lazy"

"People shouldn't get things for free"

"It's not hard. I did it."

"It doesn't need to change [No reason given]"

"People that can't group boss just suck so probably can't kill solo bosses anyway"

"It devalues comp to the point where it's noticeable. I can't tell you why, but yeah."

"Why should the game cater to you? It currently caters to me and my views, so leave it at that."

"It shouldn't change because I basically want to see compers rage, cry and release their salt
everywhere. Take this away and I can't see that."

"I secretly want to keep profiting off leech sales from desperate unable-to-boss compers, so don't want it changed. Instead, I'll disguise it by pretending to care about [Enter here]".

"How can you say you've completed the game if you can't do group content?"

"Please remove [Enter requirement that can be done solo or with very low player interaction] because I hate it. My point is valid because that's what you're asking. If you can ask, why can't I? Bare in mind, I did not take into consideration that my example does not include people or has interaction levels way below what group bosses require. Apologies, but my point still stands."

"If you're actually good at PvM, you will have friends. I didn't take into account that one might not be a player to interact often with others, but that doesn't matter."

"If you suck at group bosses, you obviously suck at PvM altogether, you don't deserve comp at all"

Those are pretty much what generally gets posted in response to these kind of threads. Nothing really new. Some just say it nicer than others.
Valid points
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17-Aug-2018 13:23:57

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Uncle Pob said:
I'm still not interested: I don't want to be ball-and-chained to something that forces me to complete every piece of new content in order to maintain it.
Could have just shortened your post to this lol

You have no interest in comp cape. So what are you complaining about?
You'll get it when you deserve it.

30-Dec-2018 02:09:06

Nex is Life

Nex is Life

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B I L L Y said:
he as about the same right to post on this as you do

I mean its not like your at max level for the cape is it
I am going for comp and know what I am signing up for regarding maintaining it. But that guy isn't interested regardless of what the requirements are.



I have as much right as you post since you don't have comp either.
You'll get it when you deserve it.

30-Dec-2018 13:20:44

Nex is Life

Nex is Life

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B I L L Y said:
but I do have the cape still in keepsake so I still own the cape the only thing I'm missing is solak and then new dung things

now I have no prob with you posting on this its the way you come over to him talking about it
You don't meet all the requirements, so we're in the same boat. Only your last requirements take under an hour.

But yeah, I don't understand why someone would complain about comp reqs when they don't want it anyway.
You'll get it when you deserve it.

30-Dec-2018 16:09:55

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