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After 33 pages of discussions, it has come out what I have suggested here would take a huge amount of time and some suggestions were certainly not viable or didn't sound viable. Also, some players are against this due to better updates in the future for the game or were against unisex head/bodies.

I still feel though a few more character body shapes to choose from, plus a unisex head would be a grand update for the game. I believe it would be well used and was wondering if it would be an option of a one-off payment to give your character a few more body shapes options in-game and a separate payment for a unisex head? Which would counteract the cost of all the work required?

- A unisex head would be both the male and female heads we have now combined so we can create them the way like. To add to this, wouldn't it be nice if we had different eyes, mouth, noses to choose from?

- We have male and female bodies in-game, adding a few more body shapes could consist of taller, shorter, fatter, slimmer etc
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@Molly Weazly, I believe you have taken CM Nick words out of content, his wording is fine and there was no promise of anything, he just felt it would be a great idea.


@Immortalized, thanks for clearing that up. I am pretty sure there was a glitch where you could make female characters have beards in the past and I believed yours was one of these. I'll fix my opening post :) Could you please let me know what quest this is, thank you.
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Would require a poll. I could see starting as a new race, but how would this work as accounts aren't linked to each other.

Not everything needs a poll, Jagex has got bulls I am sure they can make decisions on their own, mind you with a lot of them lately it ain't been so shit hot.

also polls ain't accurate, not in the way it is done in this website.
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The level of customization desired would be difficult to implement. A robotic form that was not greatly customizable could work and fit lore, and could be gender neutral.

Customization could be legs or skirts able to be worn, and choose male or female head, male or female torso, and make all hairstyles and facial hair able to be worn by either gender, and that would be all.

Even that would be a lot of work since there might be clipping and gaps depending on what was worn if a character chose female torso and male legs.

It might be better to stick with solomon customisations that let you look how you want but underneath be normal characters.

All you will need to do is choose a head, choose hair (facial &/or head), legs, arms, torso, back, weapon - nothing much would need to change unless you bring in different creatures. It wouldn't take much to do this I believe. If you choose a male outfit, you'd automatically have a male body, if you choose the female outfit you'd automatically have a female body. The only big changes would be the head, you would be able to choose pintails or bun and have a beard or mustache, other than that it's pretty much what it is now.
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I wish some of the outfits let me have male version instead of female.

The executioner

The capes from the "card" overrides

and the wings from the amore outfit (dont remeber the spelling)

So personally I wish we could choose what things we like and use them,
I dont think we need a 3rd gender to muke things up even worse.
Meaning we wont have any updates because they will say "OH but we
are working hard for a 3rd Gender character" and then nothing really
new comes up for a couple years. Then they will half ass release something
like the bank rework taster and call that a taster and never really have it
way it should be.

There half rant half opinion.

I like the male capes better than the female capes.
Also, there wouldn't be a third gender. We would choose a head, then choose hair (facial &/or head). choosing a particular head would be either a slender face shape or a masculine face shape - pretty much what we have now - no need to call them male or female.
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also polls ain't accurate, not in the way it is done in this website.

Which is why polls are done in game.

Still not accurate. This person here has 20 accounts, while this person here has one account...



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"Isn't about time we are able to have no specific Gender Characters in-game?"


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.... If you choose a male outfit, you'd automatically have a male body, if you choose the female outfit you'd automatically have a female body. The only big changes would be the head, you would be able to choose pintails or bun and have a beard or mustache, other than that it's pretty much what it is now.



So you don't actually mean a no specific gender character at all - you mean you want the female characters to be able to have a beard and moustache.

I recall you making threads about this some years ago, since you've always wanted your female character to have a beard.

I want no specific gender - you can be what you want to be, those are just examples of how you can make up your character.
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But you say that if you choose a male outfit you'll have a male body, or a female body if you choose a female outfit.

So you'll always be either male, or female. Never non-gender.

you can choose to be masculine or feminine, there will be players out there that want just female, there are those who just want to be male, there are those who want to be neither, so it's non-specific, it won't be labeling you have to be this or that - you can pick and choose who your character can become. You still need to choose a character, what does a no specific gender look like?? What I am trying to do here is remove the female/male gender and be who you want to be. You can mix and match, so it's no specific gender - you can make your character your way.
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I want no specific gender.

It would be impossible to have all different types of body shapes if it was possible fantastic, but it's not realistic for a game such as Runescape. We have two body types in game masculine and feminine - I don't believe you can move away from this, maybe add a couple more body shapes if it's possible but that may be a lot more work to get the outfits to fit on the new body shape/s??

My suggestion is to get rid of female/male characters and just have characters, you get a head and you can dress that head any way you like, then you choose a torso, legs, back and so forth and dress your character the way you feel fit. As I said if Jagex can bring in other body types great, even more head types would be nice but I feel this may be very time consuming - I am not sure.


Maybe this is a better choice of words:

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non-binary character

than no specific gender??
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This would be a waste of time for what is effectively pointless - nevermind what it actually involves doing in regards to every single wearable item in the game, the lore etc. Jagex has more important things to put their time and effort into.

This wouldn't take to much time, depending on how much they want to put into it if they want to add more body and/or head types.
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It's been great reading all the different responses for and against. I do see both sides, players not wanting Jagex to spend time and energy on this project, I do feel strongly that if they did the minimum of changes it wouldn't take much time to do this and I do feel it would be a bonus in the long run to have no specific gender, you can be who you want to be. So Jagex could put in as much or as less as they want - to get the basic no specific gender I don't believe would take much dev time, the basics are already in-game, just a bit of twinking ;):P:D

Further down the track imagine being about to walk around Gielinor while carrying out warrior or skiller tasks as the ring of war, famine, pestilence, corrupted, of death or your favourite god minion or any number of creatures <- I think this would be incredible, I really do.
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Further down the track imagine being about to walk around Gielinor while carrying out warrior or skiller tasks as the ring of war, famine, pestilence, corrupted, of death or your favourite god minion or any number of creatures <- I think this would be incredible, I really do.


Race and gender isn't the same thing.

I never said it was - read my opening post :)
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Yes but how you've worded it comes across as if you think allowing this "third gender" will somehow make that easier to be achieved - hence why I said what I did.


I haven't asked for a third gender at all, I don't want a third gender, I don't know if there is such a thing as a third gender.

I believe you need to read the thread.
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Frankly, I'm not surprised someone brought up this nonsense, given the popularity of such thoughts in current society. I won't elaborate because I'd be liable to go on a rant that'd offend people and get me banned and it's simply not worth getting banned over something that should be common sense... so, my simple answer:

NO

I have brought this up before, maybe more than once :P
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Sooo..... traps and furries?

This is the vibe I’m getting from OPs request, I am not against more character customisation options, but just don’t make it creepy and weird.

Nothing wrong with weird and if you think about it RuneScape is quite weird with Characters skilling, combating, doing activities with wings &/or half-naked and lots of other strange and wonderful things going on in-game. But creepy, what's so creepy about my idea??
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Yes but how you've worded it comes across as if you think allowing this "third gender" will somehow make that easier to be achieved - hence why I said what I did.


I haven't asked for a third gender at all, I don't want a third gender, I don't know if there is such a thing as a third gender.

I believe you need to read the thread.
It literally says 'Gender' in your thread title.

Yes, correct.
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I have not once asked for 3 genders, I want no specific gender, I want to remove female and male characters and just have characters which you make up yourself.


You basically are..?

Ok, hypothetical scenario: this is in the game.

I create my account and give it male features - now I have a male character. Someone else creates an account and gives it female characteristics.. now there's a female character and we're back to where we were but now there's also the "third gender" AKA. the one that "doesn't" have a "gender".

Literally what would the point be in doing this if it's just going to go full circle?

If you were suggesting game specific races I'd be all for that, but what you are suggesting genuinely sounds like a complete waste of time the more I think about it.

You may call it female and male that is ok - what I am stating is to remove the male and female out of the design of the character. The character you would be able to create it any way you want - I would like Jagex to not label it male or female.

I am not asking for three genders, far from it.
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I don't see what the big issue is here, other than maybe the time it takes to implement this. More choices, the merrier.

I don't believe it will take a lot of time, in-game they make all sorts of slight changes to different things around the game. I don't believe this would be a huge workload as they already have the coding for the most part, but I am no dev, so I wouldn't have a clue, I just feel the characters all that side of it have the codings so it's just implementing the no gender side of it.

Bring in new creatures would be a different kettle of fish, this would be a long-term dedication, possibly take a lot of time but I also feel it's well worth it.

I feel both implements I am asking for will be well used in-game :D
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I am no dev, so I wouldn't have a clue


if you're clueless then stop saying it would be easy to implement your suggestion.

The devs would not be starting from scratch, most of the work is done, it's already in-game so I go by my post.
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<- example. The example was a glitch many, many years ago I believe, correct me if I am wrong.

actually this is a beard I got from a quest, but I do have a real beard too, I just didn't take a pic with it. i had one in runescape classic as well. we should allow bearded women it's a real condition people have


Beards are cool.

OT: 2 genders are enough & everything is fine as it is now. Just like the beginning of Runescape.It's fine..... It's just that since the trend in the real world start to happen, caused this thread.

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I suppose that is true in some ways - if it wasn't for the knowledge of people irl speaking of how they identify themselves or how they are bringing up their children our minds wouldn't expand or learn and except changes of how our societies are made up. Going back to when I was a teen (30 odd years ago), would of I asked for such a thing, possibly not, but I am not a hundred percent sure, as I was different then as well, my thoughts and how I see the world - but in today's society and how the world is I believe this is a fantastic opportunity for Jagex to bring their characters into the 21st century.
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Nice bit of virtue signalling.

I had to google this as I had never heard of it before, I am not sure if I should say thank you or not, I am not sure if your comment is supposed to be a negative one or not?? Who knows...

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If you actually want to look 'different', you might try one of the other MMORPGs. I can't see Jagex getting around to it any time this millennium; it takes them years just to organise a Bank rework.

No, I like this game. I am not sure what goes on in other MMORPGs as I don't play them, nor am I interested in playing them. The bank rework is a sad affair, but I do believe they came into some coding trouble or something a rather - anyway what I am suggesting here is a completely different kettle of fish.
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I am no dev, so I wouldn't have a clue

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The devs would not be starting from scratch, most of the work is done, it's already in-game so I go by my post.

Most of the work isn't done.

I don't know if you know this, but there are several instances in the game where NPCs refer to you by your character's gender.

How would you go about changing this?

Never thought about it, good question. I am sure there are ways you can get around this, someone who is good with language, words would be able to come up with a good alternative.
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Videogames shouldn't have to adapt to the real world in any sense at any time.

If gender-based videogames bother people, there's games like club penguin to play. Go away.

I am not asking for RuneScape to adapt to the real world - some players come into RS to escape the real world.

I am asking when we choose our characters we can use any head, leg, arms, torso, facial hair, head hair, clothing - it's not separated into two categories, there is just one, you chose how you want your character to look.
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How would you implement this without disrupting jagex's plans for 2019 runescape 3 updates? Also would your suggestion also be implemented in osrs? I ask because 2019 is looking pretty juicy and don't want any amazing updates to be cancelled for this.

I believe different teams do different things?? So maybe who looks after the cosmetics, characters and that side of things would be in charge of this?

I notice little changes in-game go ahead outside of the big changes, such as clothing, information marks on the map, new clothing/cosmetics, changing the look of clothing, items to add to TH - for example the fireworks are on at the moment, I have never seen this before, things go on outside of the big updates. I don't believe what I am suggesting here would be a big update as the main body of it is already usable?
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Leave this stuff out of our games!!! It's bad enough this is happening in the real world!!!!

Leave what out of our games?

All I am suggesting is to be able to make up our characters anyway we like, read the post above yours - it has nothing to do with irl. This thread is about being able to be more creative with our characters when designing them.
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^Never thought of that, it could very well interfere with gameplay and become an unfair advantage to the game Not sure if there could be a way around it.

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Isn't about time we are able to have
no specific Gender Characters in-game
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Where we can mix and match Characters body shape, hair, clothing etc,
there is no female or male characters
. Where you can just choose a character with no gender associated with it...
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All I am suggesting is to be able to make up our characters anyway we like
, read the post above yours - it has nothing to do with irl. This thread is about being able to be more creative with our characters when designing them.
The basic principal of choice is the choice of gender.

In the OP you'll force everyone to become 'it' and 16 pages later we can do anything we like.
That's really difficult to comprehend.

Also, I still fail to understand what the problem of gender really is reading yours feedback. Care to elaborate? Maybe do show us some in-game pictures so I can understand yours basics of rejecting the choice of gender?

I am not forcing everyone to become anything, it's just creating a character the way you like it...

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I am asking when we choose our characters we can use any head, leg, arms, torso, facial hair, head hair, clothing - it's not separated into two categories, there is just one, you chose how you want your character to look.


I am not asking to remove female or male from the game. I am just asking when we create our characters we can be who we choose to be.
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@Fifi,

Actually, I would like a mustache ^_^ :P ;)

I feel it would be nice to be able to mix and match.

And yes you are right, maybe a bit more work than realized with aligning the bodies so this could happen.

This is a suggestion, an idea - I feel a good suggestion, a good idea which can be twinked and worked on to make it work.
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@Eterno HC, It is nothing to do with politics or PC garbage. It's about bringing more options into our characters.

Removing the female and male side of choosing a character and combining them together so we just choose a character, we can make up our character as we please, it's nothing pc, it's nothing political it just adds another element to the game/character.
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You can think what you want, but it is PC garbage that you're basing this idea off of (it's certainly not an original idea). There should always be two base sexes otherwise what happens to the people that just want a boy or girl character and not have to deal with irrelevant specifics? We're not playing some complex virtual life game...it's a simple adventure game so focus on that.

Plus "genderless" can't exist in this game since it would just be a guy character.

You could argue for additional customization options for characters upon creation which is agreeable to me (i.e. elder scrolls style of customization). I still think it would be a waste of developer time and I'm sure a poll would find that people would rather other updates to this. What you are suggesting involves a drastic increase in graphics performance (like an RS4) and certainly not worth it just for a bit of customization which makes no difference in terms of keeping players. Look at how much better OSRS is doing with it's drastic lack of customization.

You can still be female and male, I am not saying you can't or female or male should be removed from the game that's not what I am proposing.

I just want gender removed from the character's creation not from the game so we can have more options on how our characters look.

What I am asking for is you don't choose female or male characters, they are still there just not labeled as such so we can be more creative with how we build our characters.

This is nothing to do with politics.

To me, this wouldn't be a big update (I could be wrong though), I just feel everything is already in place it just needs twinking for it to work. The Devs would not be starting from scratch the huge part is already done. The big thing would be aligning the bodies or giving us several different shape bodies to work from - this is just an idea, and the idea can be stretched this way or that way and played with.
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@Eterno HC, I am not sure how long that would take or how much work, all I am saying is the most part is done all they need to do is amalgamate what they have, maybe add a few more body shapes or we have separate body parts (head, torso, legs, arms) to choose from to put together?? I would say a few more body parts would be easiest?? A dev would have to come in and state approx how long and what would be involved. I don't believe this would take as long as creating a completely new project.
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@Eterno HC, I am not sure how long that would take or how much work, all I am saying is the most part is done all they need to do is amalgamate what they have, maybe add a few more body shapes or we have separate body parts (head, torso, legs, arms) to choose from to put together?? I would say a few more body parts would be easiest?? A dev would have to come in and state approx how long and what would be involved. I don't believe this would take as long as creating a completely new project.


you speak as though you have knowledge about game development.

Maybe if Devs came in and chatted with us and talked with us and got involved with us things would be more understood.

The way I look at it most of the work is done, only the new side of things would need to be implemented. I am not sure how easy or hard this will be - starting a new product vs twinking an already produced product to me the twinking will be the lesser of the two.
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Thank you for your words Krystl :)
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what if a jmod came here and told you this is a bad idea because of how unrewarding it would be for the amount of time it would take to work on?

It wouldn't be unrewarding as it would be well used.

I feel if Jmods get involved in the forums and such would be a great incentive for forumers.

(this post is discussing the Gender side of my suggestion)

Back on the topic, some Jmods would support this idea, some wouldn't have a bar of it, but getting it in-game is a different kettle of fish if they support or not.

It depends on what one calls a big amount of time - the mining and smithing rework was huge, Menaphos, Prifddinas, Elite Dungeons again big updates - what I am suggesting here I don't feel as much work would be needed. In the scale of things I don't know where this update would fit, but I definitely don't feel it would be on par with the mining and smithing rework or Menaphos update and so forth, but as you said only a Dev could answer this, also it depends on what way they implemented this into the game as there would be quite a few ways of going about it.
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In that case you'd be better off floating this idea in the places the JMods are at; Reddit, Twitter and so forth.

Then keep your fingers crossed that one of them will see it and respond as to it's feasibility and/or likelihood.

And then you'll know for sure just how big an undertaking it would be and whether Jagex are even remotely interested in it.

If you're serious about the idea, of course, and can be bothered.

Oh, I am very serious about this suggestion. Just because one doesn't frequent other media doesn't make the matter less serious. But yes you are right if you want Jmod attention other media is where to go.
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^I said I don't believe it would be a huge update as the mining and smithing rework.

@Kings Abbot, yes I agree, it depends on what a Dev would put into the update as to how much work would be needed. So thinking about that instead of having separate body parts, maybe adding a few more bodies for us to work with might make the task a bit easier?? I just feel it would be great if we can mix and match our look.

Being non-human as previously mentioned by 2_Tron, page 16, post 6 would bring in an array of game playing problems, so I am not sure if there would be a way around this.
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@Southeaster, FiFi and Tophurious, this forum is full of ideas and suggestions by numerous players and I bet the three of you don't go around asking other players to go off to other sites with there suggestions, so have the same respect for me. This topic is on this website where I choose it to be so please stay on topic.
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@FiFi, It doesn't need three people to suggest the same thing, you yourself have suggested it at least half a dozen times <- I have acknowledged your suggestion two or three pages back, but no you keep on trolling the idea, two more people come in suggesting the same thing, this moves away from suggesting to trolling the op.

Now please kindly move on and stay on topic.

Thank you!
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The Solomon's Store Team which does not work on anything else except Solomon could make it a buyable override feature - this would not affect in game content.

I can see how it would work to get your character as being non human through the Solomon store, but choosing how your character looks (the gender side of this suggestion) I can't see working through the Solomon store.
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With character design, I don't feel we need to choose a male or a female. How you define yourself is up too you. I am not saying don't class yourself as female or don't class yourself as male, you can class yourself any way you please - I have already answered this several times through the thread. I am not trying to remove female and male characters at all, what I am trying to do is give us more options in the way we design our characters.
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Yes, I suppose I have contradicted myself a few times ^_^ I'd like to add though, most have understood what I am asking for.

Which is a character design that does not ask you to choose female or male, I would like this side of it removed so we can design our character anyway we like.
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You can still be a female or a male if you choose to be, it just won't be labeled when you design your character. You will still have feminine or masculine characters, hopefully, a few more choices in there too - as I have said this is just an idea and the idea can be stretched and played with to make it work within the game, I am not sure how much can be worked with - as some of my ideas as others have said would be far too much work example: having separate body pieces to choose from might not be viable, but having a few more bodies may be viable? Having all the accessories combined not labeled as female or male - all the hair, facial hair the clothing, if possible, choose our own eyes, noses, mouth; I am not sure how much can go into this.

I just feel it would be nice to design our characters as we please. '

If Jagex needs us to choose male or female (I wouldn't know the reason for it), but if this is the case so be it. If quests require us to change we have makeup mage <- we have used this before in a quest, I can't remember the full detail, I just remember it being a requirement.

Remember this is an idea and ideas can grow, change, intertwine, stretch. I just want to get it out there, for people to think about it and if it becomes a reality YAY!! :D
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Thanks, Moderators :)

Just a preview of what the thread is discussing:

With character design, I don't feel we need to choose a male or a female. How you define yourself is up too you. I am not saying don't class yourself as female or don't class yourself as male, you can class yourself any way you please. I am not trying to remove female and male characters at all, what I am trying to do is give us more options in the way we design our characters.

You can still be a female or a male if you choose to be, it just won't be labeled when you design your character. You will still have feminine or masculine characters, hopefully, a few more choices in there too - as I have said this is just an idea and the idea can be stretched and played with to make it work within the game, I am not sure how much can be worked with - as some of my ideas as others have said would be far too much work example: having separate body pieces to choose from might not be viable, but having a few more bodies may be viable? Having all the accessories combined not labeled as female or male - all the hair, facial hair the clothing, if possible, choose our own eyes, noses, mouth; I am not sure how much can go into this.

I just feel it would be nice to design our characters as we please. '

If Jagex needs us to choose male or female (I wouldn't know the reason for it), but if this is the case so be it. If quests require us to change we have makeup mage <- we have used this before in a quest, I can't remember the full detail, I just remember it being a requirement.

Remember this is an idea and ideas can grow, change, intertwine, stretch. I just want to get it out there, for people to think about it and if it becomes a reality YAY!!
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^we have had some great conversations within these pages, but when certain players don't agree or have other personal problems it can take a toll on a thread, it only takes a few or more to turn a thread sour. I have tried to maintain things, take situations to FH but if they choose not to help it's out of my hands.
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i can barely understand just one gender let alone more. lets just keep it as 2

As previously mentioned I am not asking for a third gender.
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as some of my ideas as others have said would be far too much work example: having separate body pieces to choose from might not be viable, but having a few more bodies may be viable?


How is 'seperate body pieces' and 'a few more body pieces' any different?
For every new way the body can look, every equipable item for that slot and the neighbouring slots needs extra models to accomodate for that. Otherwise you'll get gaps, stuff poking through etc.

I don't know, as I said maybe - I am just throwing ideas out there - some may work, some may not. As I have said ideas can be stretched, twinked, twisted...

A few more body shapes would be nice.
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^we have had some great conversations within these pages, but when certain players don't agree


And people are bound to disagree with you. Whoopee goddamn doo.

You can not expect a fruitful discussion if you're expecting people to thoughtlessly agree with you and not addressing legitimate questions and concerns people present you. That's not how discussion threads work.

I don't mind disagreement, but there are posts within the last so many pages in my eyes don't belong in this thread and therefore should have been removed. Not because they don't agree, but because they are off topic and not in good taste.

Now I have gone off topic :@

Let's get back on topic, please.
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This is the last thing RS3 needs. Adding this won't make the game "hip" "cool" or "popular"
but it will open the flood gates to all sorts of political debates which once open will never end.
But if you want RS3 to become SJW4 then by all means go right ahead.

Not sure what SJW4 is - but please don't answer it or explain unless it is to do with this topic and RS. We can already debate and have topics on everything you mentioned. What I am suggesting has nothing to do with this nor will it open floodgates. I am not asking for anything out of the ordinary it's just going to bring in more variety when designing our characters.
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@Siege Fred,

There is already pervy in-game sadly with a lot of the customizations we have.

Removing the female and male aspect of the character and combining the two so we can create our characters as we please is not going to produce pervy.

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If we can have extra body shapes added as well would be awesome, maybe an extra two or three added??

If we can choose our own facial expressions, such as our eyes, nose, lips, hair, facial hair would bring in more options.
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Still waiting for a bank rework.

I don't see the point in allocating resources to this.

Different teams work on different things I presume - maybe this would come under a different team that was working on the bank rework??
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@Xiagax, we all define and see things differently. Those questions he has asked I feel are not needed in this thread. If my idea/s get implemented it will be up to the dev to determine how characters look, if they change at all, if they add more body shapes etc.
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@Xiagax - if you read the thread in its entirety you will have noticed I moved away from separate body parts as some have stated it will not be viable. I move to the possibility of having more than two character bodies to choose from.

This is a thread with ideas, some ideas work out, some not so much - this is what threads are for to discuss things to see what will work and what won't work, what people think - but sadly some haven't read the thread in its entirety or some state things such as the separate bodies even though we moved past that discussion, I am not sure why people bring up stuff that's from the past that has been discussed and has been stated more than once it's not viable. I believe people do it just to put a damper on the thread - who know the reason???

Just remember ideas and suggestions are that, just ideas and suggestion - they can be stretched, changed, twinked, removed and so on.
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I have hid a few off-topic posts for willfully and purposefully misrepresenting the intention of this thread for trolling purposes.

I want this thread to continue, but if this thread continues to be derailed in this manner, I will unfortunately have to lock this topic.


Told you, this won't go anywhere no matter how hard you try to push for it to be "positive". This thread was already politicized the second it was created, not after my comment on the first page.

There is quite a lot of support within this thread. Those that support have their say and move on, very few who don't support also do this, but there are others that don't move on they will dig and dig and dig some more.

There is nothing wrong with this topic, it's how people deal with it that becomes the problem.
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I need to go to bed as it's 1.50am and I'm exhausted, so I will try and come in if I have time later today to read posts I haven't caught up with. I haven't got much time over the next few weeks to play in-game let alone forums. So I will try and do the best I can. Tonight my naughty boys didn't get to sleep till 10.50 it was just a battle - so things like that put me behind in me things such as in-game, forums and other things. Boy was I an angry mum tonight, so hopefully I don't have another one of those battles anytime soon.

So I will get back in when I can over the next few weeks.
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@Kings Abbot

"all work and no play makes jack a dull boy"

In otherwords I agree, it's too much work for too little gains.
It won't add anything meaningful to the game or make the game fun or exciting except for a minority of people who are into the vain and obscene.

But that's not what RS3 is about, it's a medieval game with places to explore and dungeons to fight in. While also being incredibly grinding..... RS should stick to its roots and amputate all the dead content we already have or make it better. That's what RS3 should focus on, otherwise more people are going to migrate to OSRS.

Cosmetics is a huge money maker for this game, so in my mind this tells me it would be huge if they add a few more full body shapes (this could be taller, slimmer, shorter, fatter etc) instead of just the two (female & male) we have and a unisex head would be well used within the game and yes I feel it would be a bonus and give us all a bit more individuality to our characters.
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@Kings Abbot, so if they added say two more bodies shapes they would need to go through each individual outfit and fit each piece individually??

And the main focus for this thread is having a unisex head.


Yes. Notice how a rune platebody looks different on male and female bodies even though it's the same item?

A unisex head should work as both have the same shape I believe.

That's not what I am asking.

I am asking would they need to do each outfit on a new character body.
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Kings Abbot said:

Just make hair on your head unisex, the rest is way too much effort.


Even the head would be too much effort because...well...that would also require remaking the model, testing every item on it, etc etc etc, and if the body and leg slots are anythin to go off of, the head slot wouldn't be much different, if not worse, in terms of how many entities would need to be accounted for.

What is the gain here? Nothin', and the task would be quite byzantine given the context.

Also, my question to the OP still stands.

If cosmetics is huge in this game, so would having extra character body shapes and unisex head.

Google it if you really need to know what it means.
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@Billy, no they have not hidden posts that disagree, they have hidden a few of the many off-topic, distasteful posts. I feel there is still a good half - dozen posts that should have been hidden. I feel certain posts are very lucky to have the support of moderators that have kept them open.

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That's a shame if it's a big job to add a couple more body shapes as I feel it would have been a bonus and well used in game.

There is still hope for unisex heads ^_^
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We can clearly see you are both trolling this thread. If anyone reads this thread entirely will see arguments for and against. Nothing was hidden that was appropriate for the forums, it was all distasteful or not appropriate argument against. Most can disagree within rules but some have trouble, if you don't want posts removed make sure your posts are appropriate.

And if I remember rightfully you both were not the ones that wrote the posts that were hidden. I also feel since you are both dead against this proposal, you're using this 'unfair moderation' to try and fight your cause, but as I stated you can clearly see both sides of the arguments if you read this thread from beginning to end; I don't believe any of your posts were hidden which were clearly against this proposal. Also if you feel posts are unfairly hidden you can use FMR thread.
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@Daibhi pg 32, post 2, false accusations by you once again paragraph 2. We know you are against it, you've had your say, move on instead of causing problems, if you have anything new to add by all means posts, but please stay on topic.
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@Daibhi - Yes this thread is a suggestion, I am amazed it stayed in general for as long as it did. This thread is a suggestion like all other threads in this forum but one you don't agree with even so it is still a suggestion.

I like this idea, I have brought it up before, it's a shame it's such a big update to bring in more body characters. But apparently making the head unsex won't be such a big job.
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We know you are against it, you've had your say, move on instead of causing problems, if you have anything new to add by all means posts, but please stay on topic.


Me being against what you're proposing doesn't change the fact it's still a suggestion, the same way the other threads where I literally would not submit on (and still will not) IE. the one from Laser Bug proposing to make all previous non tradeable holiday items tradeable (because apparently being untradeable is an advantage..?) or that headache inducing thread by Whatusaytome who keeps trying to make party hats available again etc.

I'm talking about your suggestion as I am not talking about anything else here thus its still on the topic of this thread, you really are trying to grasp at any possible way to get my posts hidden it seems...

If I wanted your posts hidden I would take it to FH for review - if posts do get hidden it could be both our posts Daibhi.

Edit: Also you are in charge of your own posts, your own words if they are against the rules that's your doing, not mine or anyone else.
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^it's in the right forum then :)

It may be a mammoth task, well so people say if they added more character shapes to choose from, I feel it would be well used - so not a little gain, a big gain in my eyes.

Also going by this thread having a unisex thread wouldn't be such a mammoth task?? Another idea I feel would be used big time in-game.

If something will be used by the masses, which I believe this suggestion would then it's a good idea, it is something that is needed in-game I feel. The problem is there are other things that are needed or wanted in-game that may prioritize over this suggestion. When I started this thread I had no idea that you needed to add each piece of clothing individually to a new character shape <- if this is so then yes this is a mammoth task, a huge task which I feel puts a damper on the idea even though it's an idea that would be huge in game.

But apparently, the unsex head isn't such a big task??
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It may be a mammoth task, well so people say if they added more character shapes to choose from, I feel it would be well used - so not a little gain, a big gain in my eyes.

Also going by this thread having a unisex thread wouldn't be such a mammoth task?? Another idea I feel would be used big time in-game.


well I would mose likely quit if it come to rs

things like this killed bf5 I just don't think we need this stuff in game

I don't know what bf5 is, but no it would not kill the game bringing in more body shapes or unsex head, it would enhance the game.
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What if there was a one-off payment to give your character a few more body shapes options in-game and a separate payment for unisex head??

Which would counteract the cost of all the work required?
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If Battlefield was out in 2000 era I have played it and thoroughly enjoyed playing it back then.

Jagex gets backlash on most updates, it's never ending the backlash and the threat of leaving is never ending - way before this suggestion came about, people were threating to leave and it will continue, this suggestion is not going to ruin the game in any way, it's going to add... And I doubt very much a huge mass would leave because of their personal issues with gender. We already have a vast variety of cosmetics in-game that isn't inclusive with the era the game is aimed at so stating this suggestion is bringing in stuff from outside of its ara is a load of bullocks. I feel a few of the people that are against this it's possible to do with their issue with gender rather than the idea.
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Edit opening post 12.01.2019

After 33 pages of discussions, it has come out what I have suggested here would take a huge amount of time and some suggestions were certainly not viable or didn't sound viable. Also, some players are against this due to better updates in the future for the game or were against unisex head/bodies.

I still feel though a few more character body shapes to choose from, plus a unisex head would be a grand update for the game. I believe it would be well used and was wondering if it would be an option of a one-off payment to give your character a few more body shapes options in-game and a separate payment for a unisex head? Which would counteract the cost of all the work required?

- A unisex head would be both the male and female heads we have now combined so we can create them the way like. To add to this, wouldn't it be nice if we had different eyes, mouth, noses to choose from?

- We have male and female bodies in-game, adding a few more body shapes could consist of taller, shorter, fatter, slimmer etc
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You're the only troll in here Aqua Star.

I have only just suggested a paying option in the last few days or so to see how this would gel. Yes some ideas have been thrown away as I have mentioned they weren't viable apparently. If you read my opening post it's up to date.
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You're the only troll in here Aqua Star.


Disgusting


Agreed.
It's an inapproriate ad hominem.
It's not even being used correctly... they have no idea what a troll is......

Here's a fun little reminder what trolls are.
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Most of her posts have been removed...

In Internet slang, a troll (/tro&#650;l, tr&#594;l/) is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers - fits her quite nicely I think.
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This here is an internet troll:
In Internet slang, a troll (/tro&#650;l, tr&#594;l/) is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers - fits her quite nicely I think.
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