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Averia Light

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I know I was the one who suggested allowing politics at first, but, I was also completely unaware that organized political trolling was truly a thing. Obviously, I knew trolling was a thing and I knew that it was easy to troll using politics, but I didn't know that there were organized groups dedicated to this (some are even paid). It honestly wasn't brought to my attention until yesterday when I saw a post about it.

Anyway, I can see that it was a huge mistake to allow politics with the current political climate. Perhaps one day it will be different, but today is not a good day to allow it.

Here are a few articles that discuss my concerns.

http://www.pewinternet.org/2017/03/29/the-future-of-free-speech-trolls-anonymity-and-fake-news-online/

http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/

"Laurent Schüpbach, a neuropsychologist at University Hospital in Zurich, focused his entire response about negative tone online on burgeoning acts of economic and political manipulation, writing, “The reason it will probably get worse is that companies and governments are starting to realise that they can influence people’s opinions that way. And these entities sure know how to circumvent any protection in place. Russian troll armies are a good example of something that will become more and more common in the future.”

I can admit to a mistake. I can even admit to being caught up in something I knew so little about and even being on the 'wrong side' (my side is libertarian, btw, which promotes freedom in pretty much everything), but with manipulation at an all time high (and only expected to get worse) maybe it is better to not have politics at this time.

Of course, this should be re-evaluated at a later time when the political climate is hopefully different.

07-Jul-2018 04:16:41 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2018 04:19:41 by Averia Light

Jack Flac

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No archive link? Tsk tsk Krista.

And this really is nothing new. Been going on for years now. The news has always existed to lead you into thinking and believing what they want you to believe, since the first printing of newspapers, god, over a century ago. Paid trolls won't change this fact.

Research everything. No need to change things because some person wises up to it and writes an article about it.
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07-Jul-2018 04:38:05

FiFi LaJolie
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Hmmm that's interesting, Krista, never knew about this organised manipulation thing, Although I suppose it's inevitable with all manner of topics because ... well, Internet.

When the discussion of politics & religion in OT was first mooted I seem to recall I was much against it at that time (along with the ability for swearing - haha, yeah, I daresay you might remember that).

As it turned out the swearing didn't get out of hand so I was entirely wrong about that. There was a bit of an explosion of threads on politics and religion which got heated at times with some of the participants, but seems to have quietened down now.

These days I'm pretty ambivalent about the politics & religion threads; I've got used to them being there and largely ignore them. However, given that I was against them initially it would be hypocritical of me to now say "Oh, they're fine" so I wouldn't now speak out in favour of their retention. Particularly now that I'm aware of some potentially sinister undertones.
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07-Jul-2018 09:10:14 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2018 09:12:05 by FiFi LaJolie

ScapeRune
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What you're describing would only be a problem if those groups were targeting the RSOF which I really doubt they are.

The off topic forum is not even visible when not logged in, and it's too low traffic to be worth the time of any organised manipulation.
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07-Jul-2018 10:23:24

Averia Light

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ScapeRune said:
What you're describing would only be a problem if those groups were targeting the RSOF which I really doubt they are.

The off topic forum is not even visible when not logged in, and it's too low traffic to be worth the time of any organised manipulation.


I argued this at first. But then I was literally labeled a Nazi and as far as I am aware that whole thing got so out of hand it reached Jagex. The groups themselves may not he targeting these forums, but people who have seen such tactics be effective are here - and to be clear it is on both sides.

I also highly suspect some political trolls are still present in OT, but not paid ones. I am refering to those who obviously have no interest in any real political discourse.

07-Jul-2018 11:37:45 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2018 12:02:44 by Averia Light

Averia Light

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Jack Flac said:
No archive link? Tsk tsk Krista.

And this really is nothing new. Been going on for years now. The news has always existed to lead you into thinking and believing what they want you to believe, since the first printing of newspapers, god, over a century ago. Paid trolls won't change this fact.

Research everything. No need to change things because some person wises up to it and writes an article about it.


Yeah, I knew about bias news reports for years. I didn't know that there were entire groups dedicated to ruin any real political discourse.

And I'm on my phone. Navigating pretty much any website is a pain and I have painfully learned that not all mobile sites are copies of their nonmobile counterparts - so if I'm on a phone, I give up doing things properly lol.

07-Jul-2018 11:45:54

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