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AppleTheElf

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This point by Wolfblue really is important, though:

Wolfblue42 said:
I do agree rudeness shouldn't really be allowed because like Kiara said, it can scare users away especially new ones. If you make 2 topics good ones at that, but are new to the forums and post in wrong forums and get instalocked with a rude comment, chances are said person wouldn't be coming back in the long run. Not really gonna defame them for doing their job,but they can do a job and not bite a person's head off, if that has been an issue.


Maybe its just me, but I've been seeing a LOT of forumers with single digit post counts lately - I'd wholeheartedly agree that being nice, polite, and spending that little bit of extra time to guide them to where they need to go will help the forums in general (along with that player) a lot more than a short, snappy reply. After all, new forumers likely are not familiar at all with how the forums really work and don't have the experience that veteran forumers have to know what to do in certain situations - after all, that's often why they post, as they don't know what to do in those situations.

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13-Dec-2015 18:56:15

Iceberg
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AppleTheElf said:
With that said, I do think the system we currently have is better than some of the older systems that were in place - remember, prior to FMR the way to have an FMod action reviewed was to highlight the post, and as forumers we never received feedback back to say the highlight had been reviewed. With the current process, we do get that confirmation that it has been reviewed, which is a massive plus, even if the JMods happen to see things from a different point of view.
Definitely! There was a lot of uncertainty about highlighting under ignoring forum-specific rules, and having feedback reassured plenty of people.
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13-Dec-2015 18:57:04

Wilf
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Iceberg said:
AppleTheElf said:
With that said, I do think the system we currently have is better than some of the older systems that were in place - remember, prior to FMR the way to have an FMod action reviewed was to highlight the post, and as forumers we never received feedback back to say the highlight had been reviewed. With the current process, we do get that confirmation that it has been reviewed, which is a massive plus, even if the JMods happen to see things from a different point of view.
Definitely! There was a lot of uncertainty about highlighting under ignoring forum-specific rules, and having feedback reassured plenty of people.


I'm pretty sure SteveW said that the only highlights they looked at were the serious ones (the one that is still available).

The thread is probably off this section now though.

I'll post later about the main topic (assuming the thread is still visible..)

13-Dec-2015 19:10:09 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2015 19:14:24 by Wilf

Wilf
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I'd be happy if I knew the mod read my post and actually understood it more than anything.

I find it hard to believe that is the case some of the time and because I know some people will not belive that regardless I'll give a brief explanation as to why I say that.

This happened:

I posted about a thread. Got response disagreed with decision. Responded with a stronger argument they still wouldn't agree with me. I made a rant thread about this detailing why.

I then received an inbox message from the head of CM telling me that my thread is in the correct section and that the move was also correct, not to mention threatening to take action against my account ingame if continued to post about it.

you might think there is nothing wrong with that (well only if you have no sense of proportion) but the main point is...

It wasn't my thread and it was never moved.

After that and other responses that make me cry can I say I have much confidence in the thread? No I cannot.


In regards to having more than one mod looking at it: I'm sure I've seen mention a number of times about how they discuss cases among other members of the team. I assume this is where it doesn't seem a clear cut decision rather than every decision.


i also agree with decisions sometimes appearing to be based solely on the action being correct rather than if it was necessary.

13-Dec-2015 21:48:55 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2015 21:57:03 by Wilf

Shady Guy
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As much as I hate being the Debbie Downer here, you all are fighting a lost battle. The moderation system has been broken since time immemorial, and this is one of the fundamental flaws in it. Even though it doesn't work, the FMR is a big improvement over the olden days, where even any hint of dissent against a moderator decision was grounds for a lock, hide, and ban.

You'd think with traffic being so low, they'd relax the atmosphere here even more and join the 21st century. I'm not asking them to turn it into the pits like most places on the internet, but gone are the days when moderators had to swat away trolls 24/7/365 as well.

If someone chooses here over where most RS players go these days, there is usually a good reason for it. I'd honor and cherish those few at this point.
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14-Dec-2015 01:47:44

Dracule
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I also share the a seat in the witness box when comes to seeing incredibly badly implemented moderation,. Then when the time came for the FMods in question to be reported on the FMR thread, they always got the same reply from the JMod. It went something along the lines of the said moderator's actions being correct when they weren't and clearly went against any plausible guideline that may exist.

So of course, I agree with the aforementioned posts and ideas put forward to this very much needed change, in the way the current system of reporting a forum moderator works at the moment.

I also agree with the idea of anonymity as Kiara mentioned in her thread.

Without echoing other people's posts anymore, all that's left for me to say is to give a big, fat, support! :)
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14-Dec-2015 03:06:06 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2015 03:08:09 by Dracule

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