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Anger Alt
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Ownage said:
- JMods should consider complaints from a player's view, and not just from a moderation perspective. Moderation should only be upheld if it's there to protect the community.

I think this is worth discussing in greater depth. I'm not sure complaints should be looked at from a 'players view' but instead from a neutral point of view.

''Moderation should only be upheld if it's there to protect the community''. This makes sense though it's very general and it's hard to imagine all of the different scenarios that can arise on the forums. I think it'd be a good rule of thumb, but not as an absolute rule.

Sometimes it feels as if Jagex look at a situation on FMR like 'Can this possibly be hidden/locked?' rather than 'Can this remain on the forums without causing trouble?' If a thread or post can remain but can also be hidden, please give us the benefit of the doubt here and only uphold if necessary.

Just my thoughts with that.
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21-Dec-2015 15:07:26 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2015 15:09:00 by Anger Alt

Wilf
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After a couple of posts that sadi the same thing I've finally got something of an answer:

The thread is locked and we're told to use this thread because fmod guidelines are private and the topic is apparently awkward for the mods as a result.

so as such I'm directing it here:

Is it a valid reason to lock a thread for being in the wrong section instead of moving it purely because the person who posted it is a regular user?

If no: please pass that onto the team so they are aware

If yes:
Is this approved by jagex and backed up by the guidelines or is the mod using their volunteer status in choosing not to move it?


In either case is this something that should be approved when the forums are not exactly the most active? Killing a thread for the sake of it surely should be discouraged.


The answer I'm looking for is for you to either defend the decision and state why, while addressing my last point, or say threads should be moved when possible.


This should really take place on the thread itself but as I said at the beginning it can't.

21-Dec-2015 17:58:53

Wilf
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Response:

Wilf
- Moving or Locking are both appropriate responses depending on the situation. An FMod does not *have* to move a thread though sometimes it might be the preferred response. There will however be times that a lock is more appropriate, even though you may feel it should have been moved.



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That is the sort of response I've issue with I'm asking about a specific case yet the answer is a general one.

I've included what I asked because some people might consider the answer to be adequate for what was asked.




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So you don't have to make a new thread, despite a jmod saying to keep it on topic, and respond to the off topic stuff then advise me a non mod to make a new thread, to keep this one on topic, if I wish to respond.


The difference is I'm not a mod, so read pleb as non mod.

Next thing I'll be posting about this on the MRT as evidence of mods considering themselves above us and exempt from the rules and get told the fmod was just clarifying the issue to be helpful or a variation thereof.

Of course if I responded with the names I was going to and my argument in the case of one of those I'd be considered off topic and if my post was hidden it would be correct as I'd be considered derailing the thread.

That's why I would.



Now is that on topic as I'm posting about how I think the MRT is biased???

21-Dec-2015 17:59:33 - Last edited on 13-Jan-2016 21:13:55 by Wilf

Wilf
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Anger Alt said:
Ownage said:
- JMods should consider complaints from a player's view, and not just from a moderation perspective. Moderation should only be upheld if it's there to protect the community.

I think this is worth discussing in greater depth. I'm not sure complaints should be looked at from a 'players view' but instead from a neutral point of view.

''Moderation should only be upheld if it's there to protect the community''. This makes sense though it's very general and it's hard to imagine all of the different scenarios that can arise on the forums. I think it'd be a good rule of thumb, but not as an absolute rule.

Sometimes it feels as if Jagex look at a situation on FMR like 'Can this possibly be hidden/locked?' rather than 'Can this remain on the forums without causing trouble?' If a thread or post can remain but can also be hidden, please give us the benefit of the doubt here and only uphold if necessary.

Just my thoughts with that.


I think they do consider it from a players point of view but they'll side with the mods point of view over it.

I like what Kiara said because to be honest the chances are that the mods will technically be correct in some way but the issue of if it is needed is the one that should be asked.

21-Dec-2015 18:42:40

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Just wanted to add that a forum user asked for a second opinion and their request was granted, even though it was the same outcome. This gets to show that they are actually listening to suggestions and this is a positive step forward. It would be nice to receive confirmation if it is now possible to seek for more than one opinion or how it is named "Mod shopping".

Edit:

Here's the quoted post:

Mod Shauny said:

[Name removed]
- As requested you wanted a second opinion, having read through the original thread as well as Matthe's replies, the FMod action was appropriate in this situation as the post you made was off topic and linked to your thread/idea.

The other case you've linked to in this instance is not the same as your situation.

22-Dec-2015 05:15:10 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2015 05:21:26 by Wynd

Team Skull
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Wynd said:
This gets to show that they are actually listening to suggestions


One word: Sandbagging.
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22-Dec-2015 08:39:12

Southeaster
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Team Skull said:
Wynd said:
This gets to show that they are actually listening to suggestions


One word: Sandbagging.

dem low standards

I'm not actually sure what can be done about this, really. Improving Mod Review is like combating the symptom, not the cause, of a disease.
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23-Dec-2015 03:16:54

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