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Chief Elf
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- Clearer established rule set, that has a prominent place on the forums.

We've had a revision of the rules to allow for a more flexible forum. The update to the rules were suggested by the forum community.

In the past, certain rules were found to be too restrictive, which led to the latest change in forum rules.

Which specific rules should be more established or clear, if I may ask?

- Easier to find ‘Forum help’ (the number of threads asking where it is, is rediculous).

I agree. I think the Forum Help should be in a more noticable location of the forums. That thread, along with many other threads.

Perhaps it could serve as a stand-alone thread independent of a forum subsection. Although, how the web development team will take to that, I don't know... I've never really seen in done in any other forum. However, other forums have an 'Introduction' subsection.

- Harsher / more immediate punishments for rule breaking.

The forum community petitioned for a less policed, more flexible and laxed forum atmosphere. This was what led to the latest rule change. Less policing was a subject that had been brought up numerous times over the years by the community.

- More J mod / Cm activity. We barely see you on here.

I agree. Though, there have been many threads to speculate this and some from the community have attempted to justify the current level of staff forum participation.

- ‘Light theme’ Honestly the current dark them can be a strain on the eyes.
So more forum customisability? I'm all for it. However, web development hasn't always been so focused with the forums, sad to say.
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15-Jun-2019 15:33:17 - Last edited on 15-Jun-2019 15:41:24 by Chief Elf

Chief Elf
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- Integrated social media, ties into more mod activity, highlights what’s happening elsewhere.

I always like it when Jagex is able to link a social media post to a forum thread. I agree, I'd like to see more of that happening.

Although people naturally flock to where it's most popular, that's not to say that Jagex cannot have some level of influence or control in directing the flow. For example, if you make a competition that requires forum participation while providing a link on social media, you can expect an increase in activity on the forums.

- Sub forum for fan created content.


Are we not able to do that in Forum Games?

- Manage the News section to be up to date & post more current “news”.

Are you talking about the issue where a topic could be posted on Reddit rather than the Forums? I agree that this is an issue.

- Old threads to be instantly deleted after so many days of inactivity.

I like the idea of naturally letting it fall off the page 50. There's always measures to deal with spam in the form of gravebumping. But let's say something happened to the player who spent a lot of time in a thread which had accumulated numerous, quality discussions, if it gets deleted too soon, it'll be heartbreaking and you find that the discussion goes back to square one if the OP decides to recreate it.
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15-Jun-2019 15:39:45

Chief Elf
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TinyThi3f said:
Thanks for the reply Louiellen. In regards to the clearer established rule set My issues are that: 1. It’s easily overlooked. The main and forum specific rules are there, but if you don’t have to, then people are unlikely to bother. First time users should possibly have to read the rules before being able to continue, alternatively offenders would be redirected to the rules and made to answer a question based on them before being able to return to the forums.
2. Forumers have different ‘interpretations’ of the rules which leads to issues in terms of moderation. If the rules were clearly defined and not open to interpretation it would make the jobs of the mods easier.

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Are you suggesting that the CoC be displayed as a precursor page, kinda like when you have to agree to the T&C? I do like the idea.

However, as you've said, people tend to not be bothered. But to be honest, the CoC isn't really that long. Regardless, it's an individual's responsibility to remain familiar with the rules. Like in any other society, claiming ignorance is not a legitimate reason for rule-breaking.

The other issue is that many of the current players might've interacted, at some point, with the forums. So perhaps your suggestion would be best incorporated upon the next revamp of the forum, so players would have to familiarise themselves with the CoC again. Some may call it a chore but I might argue that it's a necessary chore.

Haha, I do like the idea of major rule-breakers being redirected to the CoC and having to answer a pertinent question. It serves as an additional form of punishment which I don't find much of an issue with. However, I think major rule-breakers in general know exactly what they're doing.

On your point about interpretation:
Many of these rules were suggested by the forum community and I'd argue that it's been accepted favourably. You'd have to be specific about which rules you're referring to.
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15-Jun-2019 15:56:28 - Last edited on 15-Jun-2019 15:58:11 by Chief Elf

TinyThi3f

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It’s not really any specific rule that needs to be clearer, just the set in general as they’re currently fairly open to interpretation and that leads to confusion on what is and what isn’t acceptable. For example flame baiting is a fairly frequent occurrence but it’s rarely acted upon.

I can’t possibly comment on how the forums were before, or the vote to change to how they are now, as I wasn’t here. But it is clear that they have perhaps slipped too far in the opposite direction. With some notorious rule breakers seemingly allowed to continue unabated despite the exasperation’s of other forumers.

Leading to a culture of ‘if there getting away with it, so can I’.

That’s why I’d suggest some stricter penalties, like lowering there post count or docking their forum rank.

17-Jun-2019 12:48:56

TinyThi3f

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Chief Elf said:
- Sub forum for fan created content.

Are we not able to do that in Forum Games?

I was meaning more like arts & crafts stuff. A space for people to share the things that they have made. I know there’s third party sites for this, but seeing it actively encouraged on official forums may encourage more people to try it out.

Chief Elf said:
- Manage the News section to be up to date & post more current “news”.

Are you talking about the issue where a topic could be posted on Reddit rather than the Forums? I agree that this is an issue.

I was meaning the news forum just being a mess of old news, and people trolling each other on threadsno one really looks at anymore.
But I agree with your point about the off-site posting.

17-Jun-2019 13:18:20 - Last edited on 17-Jun-2019 13:22:17 by TinyThi3f

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So what can be done? Below are a few suggestions that I think will significantly improve how the RsOF are perceived;
- Clearer established rule set, that has a prominent place on the forums.
all have been established, taken down again, altered and now there's too much wiggle-space and moderators are stumbling upon each other

- Easier to find ‘Forum help’ (the number of threads asking where it is, is rediculous).
once found it isn't that difficult to use a second time

- Harsher / more immediate punishments for rule breaking.
the more punishment the opposite will happen and quite frankly from the beginning up till now it hadn't change anything at all

- More J mod / Cm activity. We barely see you on here.
because we have to support the crappy mobile industry and social media you will not see much of them here

- ‘Light theme’ Honestly the current dark them can be a strain on the eyes.
I'm in the middle about that, the moment Jagex are allowed to come back to The RSOF as before from that time on things will definitely change including colours

- Integrated social media, ties into more mod activity, highlights what’s happening elsewhere.
no way because it can be missed as toothache and that why, in 2009/2010 they tried to persuade us to go to social media which they failed

- Sub forum for fan created content.
everything was present in The RSOF but Jagex (current team) ripped it off The RSOF to be held elsewhere not here

- Manage the News section to be up to date & post more current “news”.
management fails at the moment thus News section too

- Old threads to be instantly deleted after so many days of inactivity.
unnecessary, therefore you'd go to social media

17-Jun-2019 13:40:05

Tuffty
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Here are the votes from Tuffty..... My own personal thoughts as a player.

- Clearer established rule set, that has a prominent place on the forums.
We got the best rules now. Nice, simple and plenty of freedom.


- Easier to find ‘Forum help’ (the number of threads asking where it is, is rediculous).
It's easy to find. Type in Search Bar " Forum Help "


- Harsher / more immediate punishments for rule breaking.
Depends on contect. Remember though the rules are very relaxed.


- More J mod / Cm activity. We barely see you on here.
Would love to see more Jagex posts. Love seeing so many CM posts. Makes my day seeing them all.


- ‘Light theme’ Honestly the current dark them can be a strain on the eyes.
Theme's used to be changed for events like Halloween and Christmas and Easter. Need that back.


- Integrated social media, ties into more mod activity, highlights what’s happening elsewhere.
Waste of time. Just my opinion. Social media stinks.
:P

- Sub forum for fan created content.
Make it a stand alone suggestion. See how it goes.


- Manage the News section to be up to date & post more current “news”.
I miss the news. If it wasn't for in General Chat we would miss it all.


- Old threads to be instantly deleted after so many days of inactivity.
Chewey helps after page 50.


1 thing that would help is if people stopped trashing the forums everytime they post. It gets my goat up as a player of RuneScape for 17+ years and 16 of them on the Forums.

Tuffty. Player thoughts. :P
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17-Jun-2019 13:57:10

TinyThi3f

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Look I’m not trying to trash the forums and I can certainly respect your opinion. But from the perspective of new players how good do the forums really appear?

We’ve got ‘news posts’ from last November & players who seem to revel in the notoriety they gain from frequent spam, trolling / abusive posts.

Maybe the forums don’t need something as massive as a rework and I don’t think the ideas listed are the only way to go about ‘fixing’ what I perceive to be issues. I do think it’d be worthwhile though for anyone in a position to be able to influence the forums to at least discuss some possible actions before the release of mobile.

Even something as simple as a little spring cleaning to tidy them up a bit.

17-Jun-2019 14:59:57

Tuffty
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@TinyThi3f

I agree with you the Forums need a make over. Jagex also agree with you that they need a make over. It's down to time constraints and other projects the Forum Dev guys and gals are working on. They have even said they would love to get stuck into the forums and make improvements.

Hopefully when the Dev team get some or make some time so it can be addressed.

It's past due and we all know it.

I think you misunderstood a comment I made about trashing.

I meant people make threads claiming the forums are dead or dying etc. These are the type of threads that get my goat up.

Your thread is enjoyable as it gives the community a chance to reply to all your suggestions. It really does make a nice change to see a quality thread in here and not a rant thread. ;)
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17-Jun-2019 15:27:45

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