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Tuffty said:
Hello South.

I have to disagree with No 2.

I don't want to sound or act like a dictator when moderating the forums. I want the Community though to be able to seek assistance from Jagex incase I was in error.

The F-Mods fully support the Review thread and still back it's use. Also F-Mods asked for it to be made. The Community needs a method to contact Jagex incase they feel the F-Mod was not upto scratch.

The FMR thread is in hand. Thats all I can say at this stage.

What's the use of going to a help forum when the help is not there??

Southeasters No2 stands - as it's redundant, by the time help comes, if it comes it's too late the situation is long past...

support all your points southeaster.
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Not sure which Jmods but they seems to be still tiding up the forums by sticking or un-sticking threads. Plus they've locked and unlocked a few threads, so they have found time to do a few bits and pieces around the forums.

Even though I don't use FMR I still feel it should be maned on a daily bases it's just not a good enough excuse to leave it the way they have. And mod Meadows is still thinking about locking FMR which means they're still a long way off from reviewing it :| Why?? What is this pressing matter that makes FMR get neglected??

Edit - added a sentence.
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^Very true.

Or instead of rearranging the forums last year they could of spent time reviewing FMR - I suppose we all have different priorities?? And maybe his boss has a say in the matter??

Another Jmod locked my thread that's why I didn't mention names, as moderation by a Jmod could have happened in other forums which I haven't noticed.
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17-Jan-2019 06:15:30

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No, I don't feel empowering longer serving moderators as an overseer of moderation, for one to do this role they will need to be paid, two they are both no better or worse than other moderators, they make mistakes, they are not always fair with their moderation techniques.

We now have LMods they need to be given the tools to take over fmr. But we can't expect them to go into a job that hasn't been done/kept up to date, to do the back log of requests.
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17-Jan-2019 20:16:11

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And yes of cause Mod meadows has time to do fmr. If he did say 3 -5 reviews a day he could catch up. He just has to allocate 15 minutes a day, and i would say 15 minutes would be easy to find. But he wants to close it down - maybe he's in the mind that this side of the job is a waste of time, waste of money. By not doing fmr he is in fact showing we don't actually need it, we just have to suck it up with moderators decisions if we like it or not.

Why not just give Lmods a separate thread for things we don't feel is fair, they can check it and make a decision. If someone needs to be removed from the forums they can flag a jmod which moderator can do already <- this can be set up in 5 - 20 minutes and we'd be getting our fmr tomorrow.
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Applejuiceaj said:
Wilf said:
Make posts public

L mods can then review


For those who don't wish to have their post visible they can use the old one and wait.


Personally speaking, I think I'd rather see posts remain private, however that doesn't rule out other potential 'submission methods' for requests of review of forum moderation.

For example, a Google Form could be used to prompt for the information currently within the FMR template, for which only Jagex and the LMods could view the responses from, and then the outcome of their review could be placed in a forum thread. The only downside to that is that there is no way for them to know who submitted the request for review (there wouldn't be anything stopping someone from submitting bogus names in a "Your name" field, for example), though I do know some in the past have asked for anonymity when posting on FMR and this would give them that.

It needs to be done now, not next week, next month, next year - if you just make a thread for the Lteam now, today our problems would be sorted!!
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To prevent it from turning into a 'Fmod vs Fmod' situation, if one other Fmod agrees with the original Fmod action, then no action is to be taken. To be clear: no other Fmod must raise objection in order for the action to be reversed. This indicates that the rest of the Fmod team is unanimously against the action.


"Hey, can you go onto FH and agree with my decision?" (In private elsewhere such that Jagex can't see it)

"Sure mate, np"

Idealistic at best, even more abusive in practice.

Like I said, all it takes is one Moderator with less than honest intentions.

There is pleanty of that going on - it's not that they have dishonest intentions, it's they have friends, possible family, they have dislikes, they have history etc - this also goes with Jmods and Lmods - it's human, it happens in the real world. It's wrong but it happens. It's just sad for the people that are affected by this.
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18-Jan-2019 01:15:21

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FiFi La Lush said:
Why are people looking for ways for Mod Meadows not to do his job?

He's basically stated he wants it locked - which mean cya later. For the last month no jmod interaction has happened unless it was flagged by a moderator - I believe this is our future. Jmods are stepping away, we have to agree with moderators if we like it or not.

If they give Lmods their own thread or if they take over fmr is yet to been seen. But my idea where Lmods get their own thread now, with no special buttons, with no hidden posts (Wilf post, page 14, post 7) we can get the ball rolling. As I feel fmr as we know it has come to an end.

Page 14, post 8: Why not just give Lmods a separate thread for things we don't feel is fair, they can check it and make a decision. If someone needs to be removed from the forums they can flag a jmod which moderator can do already <- this can be set up in 5 - 20 minutes and we'd be getting our fmr tomorrow.
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Tophurious said:
Dong U Dead said:
Applejuiceaj said:
Wilf said:
Make posts public

L mods can then review


For those who don't wish to have their post visible they can use the old one and wait.


Personally speaking, I think I'd rather see posts remain private, however that doesn't rule out other potential 'submission methods' for requests of review of forum moderation.

For example, a Google Form could be used to prompt for the information currently within the FMR template, for which only Jagex and the LMods could view the responses from, and then the outcome of their review could be placed in a forum thread. The only downside to that is that there is no way for them to know who submitted the request for review (there wouldn't be anything stopping someone from submitting bogus names in a "Your name" field, for example), though I do know some in the past have asked for anonymity when posting on FMR and this would give them that.

It needs to be done now, not next week, next month, next year - if you just make a thread for the Lteam now, today our problems would be sorted!!


i have a feeling things won't go the way you think they will. we'll end up hearing about how you were wronged by the Lmods eventually.

They have already proven that they aren't perfect - I have already had them up on it. (read post 5, page 16)
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Tophurious said:
Dong U Dead said:
Tophurious said:
Dong U Dead said:
Applejuiceaj said:
Wilf said:
Make posts public

L mods can then review


For those who don't wish to have their post visible they can use the old one and wait.


Personally speaking, I think I'd rather see posts remain private, however that doesn't rule out other potential 'submission methods' for requests of review of forum moderation.

For example, a Google Form could be used to prompt for the information currently within the FMR template, for which only Jagex and the LMods could view the responses from, and then the outcome of their review could be placed in a forum thread. The only downside to that is that there is no way for them to know who submitted the request for review (there wouldn't be anything stopping someone from submitting bogus names in a "Your name" field, for example), though I do know some in the past have asked for anonymity when posting on FMR and this would give them that.

It needs to be done now, not next week, next month, next year - if you just make a thread for the Lteam now, today our problems would be sorted!!


i have a feeling things won't go the way you think they will. we'll end up hearing about how you were wronged by the Lmods eventually.

They have already proven that they aren't perfect - I have already had them up on it. (read post 5, page 16)


i've already read that. i just hope you're ready for more heavy handed and out of touch moderation.

Better than nothing and they do a pretty good job. I hope they get the next step soon.

Edit: Added a sentence.
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18-Jan-2019 01:35:24 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2019 02:24:37 by Dong U Dead

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Louiellen said:
I wish that Mod Meadows returns to the thread, spend time discussing this.

But again, we really don't know what's happening inside Jagex office, what are the dynamics that made Mod Meadows very busy with other stuff than RSOF management.

Instead of doing this, he could spend that time doing fmr - so if he did spend time in here, we will think hey if you can spend time in here why the hell can't you spend time in fmr and he knows it...

They want to be rid of it and they can if they just make the Lteam a thread, it doesn't have to have all the whistles at this stage, just a normal thread that we can take our issues too - as I said earlier they can flag a Jmod if the need arises.
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Mrs Ana said:
Louiellen said:
But we have to face the reality that only Jagex can fix the cause of the problem, which is understaffed CM.
I believe it's more than that. They have hired two LMods to become JMods and you know how that went. It has been four months since they were supposed to get their JMod accounts. Furthermore, the first iteration of LMods at the beginning of 2018 didn't go so well either. This has nothing to do with being understaffed. Also, you have two more "Community Managers" that have checked and can still check FMR if they chose to. Mod Cam and Mod Poerkie have actioned FMR before in the absence of Mod Meadows. Why not now? You also have Mod Shauny, but I don't believe he has ever posted on FMR.

Basically, you have FOUR Community Managers at the moment and even though Mod Meadows may be the only one in charge of the RSOFs, it doesn't mean that his colleagues cannot step in to assist him whenever needed. They have all the time in the world to communicate with the community through Social Media, so why not help this RSOFs community? I don't believe they are understaffed. It's simply a matter of priority, Louiellen. Social Media holds a higher priority than the RSOFs for Jagex at the moment. We are being neglected.

Additionally, Mod Meadows has posted many times since November 27th. I think he could have actioned a few posts on FMR while he was here during that time :P.

Well said!
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Aeroxmaster said:
What could happen in the meantime is this:

1. Jagex staff make a private forum, accessible only by LMods, and move the FMR thread there on a weekly basis and remove the autohide feature from the thread after having done so. All posts on the thread become unhidden.

2. LMods review and respond.

3. All player posts re-hidden and thread is locked and moved back to Community Home, unstickied.

New threads would be created on a weekly basis by LMods in the private LMod forum (title dated to differentiate each one), followed by CM creating JMod autohide features on them before pushing them to live Community Home forum (or multiple of these weekly threads made in advance and each newer version moved to CH forum week by week in exchange for old threads).

A new, fresh thread created by an LMod in that same hidden forum, with JMod-autohide enabled simultaneously replaces old FMR threads week by week. Old ones are reviewed and brought back to public view.

Only the newest thread remains stickied.

Once LMods get their new JMod accounts, this process can then be abandoned.

This is a grand idea.
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20-Jan-2019 22:11:35

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Southeaster said:
Tuffty said:
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@Tuffty

Yes I know the temptation to read FMR would be there if made public view. I recall back when Kalaya made her big forum feedback thread and told fmods to stay out except modding some foods still commented in it socially despite being told stay out. Them being in the thread was not well liked and they got chewed out for it by thread posters.

Once you tell someone not to look they will look no matter what.

I also remember that thread. Not sure if I made a comment or 2..... Was a while ago after all. :P

I remember that thread, it was amusing

Yeah, but who gives two hoots if anyone goes snooping. Gotta get out of the grass and let things progress. It might not be the way intended but at least it will start moving things.
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You can ask FM questions in FH, it's up to them to answer though, as they don't have too. And what I have noticed in my thread/s you can question a moderators decision in a thread with no consequence <- maybe that's just the who's who thing again??
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Dong U Dead said:
You can ask FM questions in FH, it's up to them to answer though, as they don't have too. And what I have noticed in my thread/s you can question a moderators decision in a thread with no consequence <- maybe that's just the who's who thing again??
Not necessarilly who is who but more or less how will you formulate your questions, what are your intentions and what will you do with given answers afterwards as will you accept them. It's quite a package but if done properly you'll get the answers you were looking for.

The whole moderation is a whos who and yes it does depend on who the moderator is and who the person is who is asking as to if they will answer it.
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FiFi La Lush said:
^

Now would be a good time to also apologise for saying that the moderation in FMR is biased and unfair.

And now would be a good time to mind your own business. Maybe make yourself familiar with FH if your moderator friends aren't online.
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Why do you feel he's the best so far Southeaster??

I feel he's biased, I feel he unfair, I feel he abused his role and railroaded situations to get the community to say look at him he means business, he's not putting up with crap at the expense of a person/s - he abused his rights to get a point across at the expense of a forumer. His moderating is like several moderators it's done on a who whos moderation and certain members of the community are happy with this because they are on the right side of him.
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@AOROX,
I also know who you're referring to, as a similar situation happened with me which I can't speak about, which to as recent as a week ago is still affecting my foruming/game play now because of her bias beliefs, which really annoys me because still no JMod will even listen to me about it.


I feel the same way as you Aorox as how Mod Meadows treated me when fmr2 came about, I was railroaded to show the community he means business. I had a valid report, I was told to go there by fh twice - I was used.

No other JM, as far as I know, has used someone, railroaded someone for there own benefit and to appease the community.
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Loki said:
Mrs Ana said:

Those that may disagree with this may have been on the wrong side of the rules. Even though he has been unable to check FMR regularly, he's here now, he recently reviewed FMR twice and has unlocked this thread two times after an FMod locked it. If that doesn't mean that he's listening or trying to help us, then I don't know what else to say.
+1. I agree with this so much

And this is the reason why moderators get away with things when things have not been moderated correctly.

You state you were not moderated correctly AOROX by a past Jmod, I was not moderated correctly by the present Jmod (twice) and a past Jmod. But here you are agreeing that if you have a problem with Mod meadows is because you have done wrong - I know I have not done wrong, you know you did not do wrong, I can't judge your situation, I can only go by your words - How can you so easily dismiss some else so easily?? Is it only you and your friends that have been wronged? I can't be wronged, because why??

We seem to pick and choose who we believe, who we support and moderators can play on this and do play on this.
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@Mrs Ana - I did not miss use that thread, I read it and was very careful what I complained about. It's very easy being on the outside and not seeing what really goes on. It's easy to judge others when you haven't worn in their shoe. I go by my innocence. I went to fmr because a moderator told me if I disagree with there moderation I need to take it to fmr so I did, I went there because a moderator didn't hide a post/s that I believe should have been hidden - to this day I believe they should have been hidden that is what fmr is for, I did exactly that, he didn't agree with me and sided with the moderators. There was no need to strike me.

Also if you read all the messages other forumers get multiple warnings because they are liked. One person on his umpteenth warning (third strike) was told I like you so I am not going to perm ban you, it sounded like he was rather abusive towards a jmod within fmr on his last warning, because a jmod liked him wasn't perm banned - moderation in these forums is bias, it's corrupt and this is what I have been fighting against and why I have such a bad rap. It bs when I went there with a real reason, I truly believe in what I said and I know what I said was fact - but because they don't like me and because they didn't believe me I was striked twice. It has nothing to do with the rules as I went there within the rules, moderators told me to go there, it is there if you don't agree with moderation and that's the reason I went there. But because it's me he can get away with it and because it's me and the community don't give a fuck they get away with it. If I had the means I could prove everything I have said here, in fmr and around the forums. I don't lie.

And yes he agreed with all your post - If I don't agree with part of the post I would remove that part of the post and just quote the rest. Or state your feelings if you feel differently about bits of the post. So I didn't mean to dismiss AOROX.
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FiFi La Lush said:
Welcome, one and all, to the Dong U Dead Show.

It's good to fight for what you believe in Fifi - just like scouse fighting his wrongful ban - but that's right you like him; that's the way it goes if you like someone you support if you don't you trash - sad!!
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FiFi La Lush said:
It's got nothing to do with me liking or disliking an individual.

It's got everything to do with you running around the forums for the past 5 years slagging off every FMod and JMod that has crossed your path at every opportunity, constant accusations against them and everyone else of being unfair, biased and whatever else.

I've never seen anyone with as big a chip on their shoulder as you. Ever. Anywhere.

You don't care where you post your tripe; your own threads, other peoples threads disrupting topics to hell, Lounges, anywhere. And then you get into bad-mouthing individuals constantly as well. You really are a deeply unpleasant and disruptive person.

Often it's you that starts it. I often retaliate.

If I have the means I could prove everything I have said, everything.
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FiFi La Lush said:
Oh, right. So I'm responsible for your grudge against F&J Mods. That makes perfect sense.

Ach! Carry on with your whining shitshow. You can manage that all on your own.

I was referring to you me posts. As I've said in the past you're very lucky you have friends in higher places.

If the conversation comes up yes i will. If your silent that's not fighting your cause.
Scouse did the same thing, it was in just about every thread he ventured, even in his signature. But that's different in your eyes - nothing to do with friendship - yeah right. You have your select person/s to do your thing (bait to put it nicely) and I've always been one of them.

You are very good at what you do fifi, very good with your words - you are very lucky you get away with what you do, very lucky.
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