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Don't worry Southy, soon Nick or Nephtretyefhdefbh (I can't be bothered to check their name) will pass this feedback along to the relevant team in no time...

...As per their script. Legit though, I say that type of shit all the time to people at my work. Harambe knows how many times I forgot to actually pass said comments over to my superiors, and I don't place them above that, either.

They really should just stop with the illusion that they give a damn already. It's obvious- been a month and a half now with no commentary. Aight, I get it- holiday season n all, but January 1st ended 11 days ago.

And there's no excuse as to why another JMod can't check it either- I've seen Poerkie, Shauny, and even Lee in a pinch check it.
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12-Jan-2019 15:13:03 - Last edited on 12-Jan-2019 15:20:37 by Team†Skull

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Louiellen said:
Your suggestion though pragmatic is under a Catch-22 situation.

Only a CM Jmod can make the ruling you want, but the absence of Jmod action in FMR was the reason you were making the suggestion.


Lee is a CM Jmod? :thonk:

Don't feed us crap please.
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Miu said:
No support for closing fmr.

If Jagex wants to backlog community concerns, then they should have to deal with them. They don't get to close the doors just because they're too busy to respond.


Context, Miu.

Context...
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15-Jan-2019 01:59:05

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Miu said:

What's the context?


I can't tell if you're being satirical with that question or not, but...

Let's try that it's neglected? I don't know, it was kinda why this thread was made, after all.

Not exactly difficult to come to that conclusion.
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16-Jan-2019 06:57:53 - Last edited on 16-Jan-2019 07:07:43 by Team†Skull

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Miu said:

And what part of my post led you to think that I was unaware of the fact that it hasn't been reviewed in over a month, let alone this year?

Stating that Jagex deserves to trudge through months worth of backlog must mean I'm aware of that, shouldn't it?

Come on, you're smarter than this. And I expect better from you than to selectively snip my response out of context.


Well, considering you asked such a basic question that even the most oblivious person could answer...I had to presume you either were being satirical with that question (which lol) or you were genuinely that extremely unaware, which, given the circumstances, is also lol, but for a different reason, so I needed clarification.

C'mon mate, really?
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Ms†Toxicity said:
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Let's not derail this thread from its purpose - the management of the Forum Moderation Review sticky thread.


What's there to discuss?

He's been incredibly busy, so he claims...but he made a tweet 22 hours ago...which would be 6:50AM my time or 11:50AM, and about 10:50AM before that, which while the former may be "normal" lunch hours, the latter definitely is not.

Which would be during normal work hours, presuming a normal workweek of M-F 8-4 or 9-5. This was just the most recent example.

Sooooooooo busy, right? Fifty-one fuckin' days with no damn maintenance, yet during all that time, he managed to:

Tweet

Remove Forum sections aaaaaaaaaaaaaand

Unsticky, and then resticky, a thread in Off-Topic.

Please, spare us the garbage.
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17-Jan-2019 13:53:52 - Last edited on 17-Jan-2019 13:59:25 by Team†Skull

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Southeaster said:

My thread's purpose is the management of the forums with the absence of the Forum Moderation Review thread.


Like if you want perspective as to just how absent MRT is:

Say I report a moderator action in RGU.

On page 40, the last posts were about from 11/24/2018.

That's almost off the Forums in general.
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17-Jan-2019 14:05:41

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Team†Skull said:
Southeaster said:

My thread's purpose is the management of the forums with the absence of the Forum Moderation Review thread.


Like if you want perspective as to just how absent MRT is:

Say I report a moderator action in RGU.

On page 40, the last posts were about from 11/24/2018.

That's almost off the Forums in general.


Adding to this...

For General? The last posts that correlate to 11/27 would be on page 46.

Page Forty. Goddamn. Six.
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17-Jan-2019 14:08:34

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Southeaster said:
Team†Skull said:
Like if you want perspective as to just how absent MRT is:

Say I report a moderator action in RGU.

On page 40, the last posts were about from 11/24/2018.

That's almost off the Forums in general.

For General? The last posts that correlate to 11/27 would be on page 46.

Page Forty. Goddamn. Six.

Yeah exactly. This precisely proves my point about Fmod decisions being final.


And let's say we wait another 5 days or so, given the trends of timestamps of last posts on page 49 to 50 prior to being deleted off the Forums...

Any hypothetical report from said section would be gone and therefore leave nothing to review, so even assuming both the player and moderator knew what was actioned from that time (lol), there would be no review, and therfore no feedback for either party.

And I really don't fuckin' like the concept of Moderators being let off scot-free due to a technicality, as it sets a very scary precedent.
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17-Jan-2019 14:18:21 - Last edited on 17-Jan-2019 14:25:00 by Team†Skull

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Southeaster said:

I know what you mean, and it really grinds my gears because some of the errors they make are honestly very easily rectifiable.


Not even that.

All it takes is one moderator with less than honest intentions, an axe to grind, and a notice of MRT neglect to the point where the dates of the last review and threads in popular forum sections to begin getting Chewy'd for everything to begin to go to shit.

From that, I know at least one Moderator (not namin' names here for very obvious reasons here) who fits that bill and I do not like where this is going if even one of those hypothetical threads (as I don't know what was reported from that time) falls off the Forums.
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17-Jan-2019 14:36:13

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Southeaster said:

Unless... we find a way to let Fmods serve as a check on each other. That might work. I ought to give that some more thought.


Na, don't like that idea.

Read my previous post as to why. You'll get it.
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17-Jan-2019 14:38:59

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Southeaster said:
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To prevent it from turning into a 'Fmod vs Fmod' situation, if one other Fmod agrees with the original Fmod action, then no action is to be taken. To be clear: no other Fmod must raise objection in order for the action to be reversed. This indicates that the rest of the Fmod team is unanimously against the action.


"Hey, can you go onto FH and agree with my decision?" (In private elsewhere such that Jagex can't see it)

"Sure mate, np"

Idealistic at best, even more abusive in practice.

Like I said, all it takes is one Moderator with less than honest intentions.
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18-Jan-2019 00:15:25

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Southeaster said:

You think they'd do that even for really egregious shit?

Like the Fmod-FH/Jmod-FMR example I listed two pages back?


Given the conduct of some of the team, past and present, both on Forums and in-game?

Yes. No question in my mind. If only to spite the person making the report.
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18-Jan-2019 00:28:52 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2019 00:29:16 by Team†Skull

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Louiellen said:

The cause of all the FMR trouble is understaffed CM. The solution is to address the cause of the problem, and not the effects of the problem.


Give ti a few days and soon we'll be potentially dealing with the effects, too. These effects will directly affect us all and we will essentially just have to sit there and...well...deal with it.

Those threads in General where the last post date was 11/27/2018? Now on page 47. This was merely yesterday.

What do you say to those people who may have had a potential report on moderator actions from those days, yet there's nothing to review because the neglect caused the thread to fall to page 51?

"Sorry, but due to my own neglect and sheer laziness, I can not comment on the moderator action because I can not review the thread as it's no longer on the Forums."?

Oh, that will sure as hell go over well with the community
/s


How do you feel about a totally unresolved action that may have been potential authoritative misstep because of neglect? Do you have any clue as to the sheer gravity this precedent sets?
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18-Jan-2019 15:41:45 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2019 15:48:59 by Team†Skull

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Louiellen said:
Understaff =/= laziness

If you are Meadows, do you think you'll do a better job? He is alone, instead of mocking him, the solution is to suggest ways to help him. Which can only be done by his fellow employees there @Jagex office. The person responsible for giving the Lmods their Jmod uniforms needs to take action. If a certain Jmod can spare a few minutes in helping with processing FMR without compromising his/her job, then they may help Meadows.

Again, it is misplaced to blame Meadows about the issue, without us seeing the entire picture of what really is happening in his typical day in the Jagex office. He's a 1-man team.


That did not answer my questions at all. I will redirect you to them:

Team†Skull said:

What do you say to those people who may have had a potential report on moderator actions from those days, yet there's nothing to review because the neglect caused the thread to fall to page 51?

How do you feel about a totally unresolved action that may have been potential authoritative misstep because of neglect?

Do you have any clue as to the sheer gravity this precedent sets?
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18-Jan-2019 15:50:46

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Southeaster said:
Team†Skull said:
[That did not answer my questions at all. I will redirect you to them:

I think you need to be more concise


I suppose I do need to be. I guess I'll do that here, then:

In not dealing with the cause, not only will we have to deal with the cause, we'll also have to deal with the effects as well, thereby making it more difficult.

Say someone, for example, contracts bacterial pneumonia. Say they decide to NOT seek medical attention.

Not only, over time, will they have to deal with treating the cause (the bacterial strain, whatever it may be), they'll also have to deal with the effects (Severe dehydration and septic shock resulting from the toxins being released from said bacteria)...assuming the person lives that long.
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18-Jan-2019 15:55:37

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Louiellen said:

Those questions need to be answered by a Jmod. Not me, not any member of the Fmod team who are also asking for Jmod's attention on this very same issue.


I'm asking for your personal opinion (you are a forumer first, after all, yeeeeees?), not some bureaucratic non-answer that I'd expect from someone running for political office.

I will ask again:

Team†Skull said:

What do you say to those people who may have had a potential report on moderator actions from those days, yet there's nothing to review because the neglect caused the thread to fall to page 51?

How do you feel about a totally unresolved action that may have been potential authoritative misstep because of neglect?

Do you have any clue as to the sheer gravity this precedent sets?
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18-Jan-2019 18:21:04 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2019 18:28:47 by Team†Skull

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Louiellen said:
There is a misunderstanding of the term "Community Manager".

That title doesn't mean he/she works for RSOF. The only Jmod Community Manager for us here in RSOF is Mod Meadows. Others are for social media, they don't deal with RSOF management directly, maybe here and there they will post, that is outside daily tasks. It is not clear to the public what makes Mod Meadows busy if he is not very publicly visible here in RSOF. I'm not even sure if such info is ok for us to know, we simply don't know what is happening in Jagex office.


https://twitter.com/jagexmeadows?lang=en

Research is a beautiful thing. Might wanna try it sometime.
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