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I don't feel it's being used enough or for the right reasons.

There are people using the forums for negative posts towards others and it's just relentless at times. Anywhere a remark can be made it will be made. It's both members and f2p. They have never been disciplined through the ban procedure even though it's continuous negative behavour. I feel their negative posting doesn't stop because they aren't going to miss out on anything, they are not getting banned for there continuous negative posts.

The moderators pretty much keep on top of it by hiding the posts dependent on who's moderating at the time, if any moderators are on, if it's reported or if they feel it should be hidden (it all should be hidden in my eyes), any negative posts should not be tolerated. But this form of moderation is not getting through to some people, the negative posts still come regularly, I feel it need to go up to the next step, which is temp ban and if they still haven't learned further down the track perm ban.

These forums can be a really pleasant place and it should be for all that use it, it shouldn't matter if you don't agree, don't like the post or person. If it was moderated correctly, you would get rid of a lot of the negative posts, as I am sure no one wants to be perm ban.
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06-Dec-2018 05:48:41

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Don't make it personal Louiellen.



I am specifically talking about all the negative posts, that are constantly getting hidden, so the negativity carries on as there is no reason to stop.

These forums could be an amazing place to be, but a handful of players enjoy the pleasure of hurting others.
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06-Dec-2018 11:35:56 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2018 11:36:46 by Dong U Dead

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@Tuffty: I like the relaxed style of the forums too and I am not asking for that to change. What I would like is for the negative post to stop - negative posts does not mean a relaxed forum. Having negative posts is the opposite to relax.

If moderators were able to give a firm stance that negativity is not welcome on these forums - you will soon find these type posts will become less. Yes, some will go on alt's, but I don't believe many would.
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06-Dec-2018 11:43:46 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2018 11:44:45 by Dong U Dead

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Why does everyone think having relaxed rules mean negative posts towards others is part and parcel of the 'new' relaxed forum??

Honestly, the world is fighting against bullies and these forums seem to encourage it in a backhanded manner.
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06-Dec-2018 12:43:10

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Louiellen said:
Southeaster, our arguments across many threads here in RSOF (whether we like it or not) for example would never be possible under the 'draconian rules'.

The mere fact that you and I continue to cross swords, and we're both here is the proof of the leniency. Even the continued venting of the same issue by Dong U Dead, over-and-over again is a proof of the leniency as well.

The leniency of the rules is across the board, Dong U Dead's request will reverse the current situation across the board as well. That is why I'm very confident we will never go back to the 'draconian rules' age, that is impossible.


OMgosh Louiellen, you can have relaxed forums without negativity...

I am not asking for debates and disagreements to stop, I am not asking for the reigns to be put on again. I am asking for those negative, bully type comments to be disciplined further. Moderators no exactly what I am talking about and so do the posters I am referring too.


Edit: Louiellen, once again it's not about hate or dislike, it's about those negative, bully type posts. Also, I am not asking for anyone to be permanently moved from the forums, you get three temp bans before a perm ban even comes along (most times).

Simply hiding posts is not removing the negative posts. I believe if you step it up a notch eventually there will be less work, as people will stop, but you Jagex has to be brave and step up to the mark, to not allow bullying in its forums.
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06-Dec-2018 12:53:31 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2018 13:01:17 by Dong U Dead

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@2_Tron, yes I know it was negative. I want him to stop using that name. I have asked him before.

Southeaster said:
Dong U Dead said:
I don't want people banned, I want the negativity to stop - and yes it can stop quite simply. Hiding posts are not working, so take it up to the next level which is a temp ban may put a stop to it.

Just tell us who you want banned.

I don't want anyone banned, I want the negativity, bullying type posts to stop and if temp ban is what will make it stop then so be it.
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06-Dec-2018 13:04:52 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2018 13:06:22 by Dong U Dead

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2_Tron said:
If someone has a special 'aim' for another individual that is strictly personal and way off topic than maybe it's time to address that person seriously
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Louiellen, just quit crying about victim cards as it gives me the feeling that you aren't serious at all, talking about this subject.

Thank you and yes I agree, moderators are hiding posts left, right and centre the message are just not getting through. It does happen to others as well.

This what I propose is not going back in the dark times, it's not reverting back to pre-relaxed rules. It is getting rid of bad behaviors that happened regularly on these forums.
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06-Dec-2018 19:22:07 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2018 19:23:04 by Dong U Dead

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Wilf said:
Louiellen said:
2_Tron, under the old rules regime - that post above can get you forum banned. But we are no longer living under yesterday's rules.

That is your personal opinion, and we're not interested to change your perspective just because we say so.

That is the real display of how lenient the rules today, in fact no one will remain here in RSOF if the old rules are restored. Basically saying the word Facebook, Youtube, Twitter - heck even casually mentioning a Runescape fansite can get someone banned.


Yep it really was quite pathetic and what makes it worse is fmods were volunteering to enforce such rubbish I wouldn't have lowered myself to do it.

Bullying, harassment, negativity etc towards a person is fine - it can carry on because we have a relaxed forum??? Now that is the dark ages and not very relaxing at all.
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06-Dec-2018 19:24:34 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2018 19:25:29 by Dong U Dead

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Dong U Dead said:
2_Tron said:
If someone has a special 'aim' for another individual that is strictly personal and way off topic than maybe it's time to address that person seriously
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Louiellen, just quit crying about victim cards as it gives me the feeling that you aren't serious at all, talking about this subject.

Thank you and yes I agree, moderators are hiding posts left, right and centre the message are just not getting through. It does happen to others as well.

This what I propose is not going back in the dark times, it's not reverting back to pre-relaxed rules. It is getting rid of bad behaviors that happened regularly on these forums.


To add to this: Louiellen posting style towards me on this thread as well as other threads is of the negative, bullying nature, I believe she is trying to get in the good terms with certain posters. As you see in the real world, people will go after a certain individual to get the browny points.

And she also stated that most of the forums are negative, bullying towards me which is not true in the least, it's only a handful of players.

Also, you might notice it's okay to drag my name through the mud, by these certain individuals which this thread is mainly about, which includes a moderator Louiellen, if it's ok for a moderator to belittle, bully, be negative, how the hell do you expect the rest of the forums to behave. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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06-Dec-2018 19:31:21

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Tuffty said:
Dong U Dead said:
Bullying, harassment, negativity etc towards a person is fine - it can carry on because we have a relaxed forum??? Now that is the dark ages!


No that would fall under the CoC.

Be respectful of your fellow forumers.

No need to flame any players, no matter your history.
Don't make vulgar, offensive, or profane posts.
Don't target specific players with accusations.


Thats covered. ;)

It's in the rules, but it happens nearly on a daily basis - I come across it nearly daily by the same handful of individuals. Sometimes it's the whole group having a go - when it happens time and time again a simple hide of the post (if it gets hidden) is not working, it's not getting through to these people it's against the rules, stop it, it needs to move up to the next level.

Jagex was proud to announce that they support a bully-free world, there was a huge promotion on it, bring it in-game and fundraising if I can remember right - it was huge, but at the same time these forums a lot of harassment, bullying was happening. It's not as bad these days, as a lot of the alt accounts or whoever they were have moved on, they come back in occasionally if the negativity calls to them, so it's a larger group of people, but very rarely these days.

These forums could be absolutely negativity free if you put the effort in - but people enjoy the negative, bullying type post and don't' want to do anything to stop it - maybe it's because they are of the same mind??
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06-Dec-2018 19:40:21

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Wynd said:
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There are appropriate channels that one should follow in order to report someone else's behavior here on the Forums. If you believe someone is harassing you or simply breaking the forums, you are well aware of Forum Help V2. as you have previously posted there.

As for an F-Mod, if you wholeheartedly believe that a member of the F-Mod team is behaving unmodly or breaking the rules, you know where to go: Forum Moderation Review V2. Only Jagex Moderators can reserve an action taken by an F-Mod and only they can provide feedback to such F-Mods when and if their guidelines haven't been properly followed.

Publicly attacking them or simply complaining about their actions does no good as you will simply have those posts hidden because it isn't allowed to question an F-Mod's action publicly. Follow the appropriate steps and you can rest assured that if someone is not respecting the rules that we all should respect, they will get dealt with. Just do it the correct way ;).

Yes I know, but forum review is not a good place for me. I will not go there as going there has caused bans for several alts. If I never went there in the first place they would still be allowed on the forums, and Dong U Dead would not be here. They support the people whom I am talking of here - they are of the same mind, so how can you sue a thread that is there to help, but doesn't support you one iota.

We all see what goes on in these forums, but nothing ever gets done about it. Someone says something negative, borderline bullying, I get fed up with it and attack back and it's me that gets named and shamed and or banned while the predator, the person that started it get a pat on the back. people enjoy this type of behavior, they must do, otherwise something would be done about it, as it's just not stopping.
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06-Dec-2018 19:57:26

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Tophurious said:


you forget that you can be pretty nasty too but i guess you're the exception to what you want done to clean up the assholes around here

I have retaliated - I ignore and ignore and ignore some more ignores and in the end, I fight back - you can't blame a person. These days I don't fight back as much, I am really trying not to fight back. The negative posts are getting hidden faster and more of them are getting hidden which is a bonus. But it's still happening.

You can't expect a person to keep their mouth shut after relentless negativity towards them, you just can't. So yes often the person trying to stop negativity can become apart of the problem, but if the problem wasn't there in the first place and it was dealt with, there wouldn't be any retaliation, forum fights etc.

those that do the negativity have the support of moderators and Jmods so it doesn't stop and it won't stop.
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06-Dec-2018 20:05:56

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Wynd said:
Dong U Dead said:
Yes I know, but forum review is not a good place for me. I will not go there as going there has caused bans for several alts. If I never went there in the first place they would still be allowed on the forums, and Dong U Dead would not be here. They support the people whom I am talking of here - they are of the same mind, so how can you sue a thread that is there to help, but doesn't support you one iota.
Sadly, though, that is the only place you can go to if you have a complaint about a Forum Moderator. There is no other way around it. And if you have received bans for posting there before, it must have been because you have not followed the rules posted on the first page of the thread. Dong, you can only get a ban if you break the rules.

No, it's because I was asking for help and they got fed up with me asking for help. I know the truth and that is all that matters. Three accounts were banned, two were not even on the forums. One account, my main, my members got banned because I went and said goodbye to everyone in different lounges. Another one, just because I own it, did nothing wrong. Zion was because I kept asking for help - the reason for perm ban on all three of my accounts.
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06-Dec-2018 20:07:11 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2018 20:10:58 by Dong U Dead

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Dong U Dead said:
Wynd said:
Dong U Dead said:
Yes I know, but forum review is not a good place for me. I will not go there as going there has caused bans for several alts. If I never went there in the first place they would still be allowed on the forums, and Dong U Dead would not be here. They support the people whom I am talking of here - they are of the same mind, so how can you sue a thread that is there to help, but doesn't support you one iota.
Sadly, though, that is the only place you can go to if you have a complaint about a Forum Moderator. There is no other way around it. And if you have received bans for posting there before, it must have been because you have not followed the rules posted on the first page of the thread. Dong, you can only get a ban if you break the rules.

No, it's because I was asking for help and they got fed up with me asking for help. I know the truth and that is all that matters. Three accounts were banned, two were not even on the forums. One account, my main, my members got banned because I went and said goodbye to everyone in different lounges. Another one, just because I own it, did nothing wrong. Zion was because I kept asking for help - the reason for perm ban on all three of my accounts.

I was perm banned out of hate nothing more or less.
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06-Dec-2018 20:27:09

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Wynd said:
Well, like you said, only you know the truth. So I cannot and will not comment on that truth since I do not know it; however, I will comment about why you got banned as it's publicly available:

Forum Moderation Review V2. is strictly for reports against Forum Moderators. You cannot and should not go there to ask for help. The only help you should be seeking there is for a Jagex Moderator to review the actions taken by the Forum Moderator Team. It's explicitly stated on the first post of that thread. Furthermore, it clearly says that if you misuse the thread, you will receive a warning and if you continue, you will get banned. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

If you need help, you can always follow what Tuffty said: try reaching out to F-Mods in-game and if they are available and willing to assist you, they will. If that doesn't work, you can always try contacting J-Mods through Twitter, Reddit or Discord. They are always there. Yes, I know they should be here on the Forums, but unfortunately, that isn't the case.

Those three accounts were banned on the old review thread, not the new one. It was a different Jmod, he has since moved on to a different area of Jagex headquarters. That rule was not apart of the forums, they put that rule there because of me in the new thread. In the new review thread, I was actioned and used as a scapegoat, I dong u dead went to forum help first, they told me to take the action to the review thread if I didn't' agree with there response, so I did and on the third or so time I got my second warning - biased behaviour on the jmod part. I was doing what a moderator told me to do, nothing more, nothing less - even your post that I have just quoted is not how it happened. You don't get the full story as it's hidden. And how I was treated was shocking. They support what this thread is fighting against.
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06-Dec-2018 20:42:42

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Southeaster said:
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No, it's because I was asking for help and they got fed up with me asking for help. I know the truth and that is all that matters. Three accounts were banned, two were not even on the forums. One account, my main, my members got banned because I went and said goodbye to everyone in different lounges. Another one, just because I own it, did nothing wrong. Zion was because I kept asking for help - the reason for perm ban on all three of my accounts.

Lies. Utter lies.

Your final offence which resulted in you being perm forum banned was due to you publicly going after a particular Fmod. There are multiple hidden posts by your three accounts on the Fmod Appreciation thread in Compliments over a one-week period in July 2016.

They banned all your three active accounts together so that you couldn't use them to circumvent your perm forum ban.

BS!!

That is utter lies!!

Yes I was having problems with a moderator, that is what forum review is for. But nope my accounts were banned out of hate not out of discipline. Get rid of the problem maker - not the people who troll her to no end, troll her threads - I have had no support, not one and not because I am a bad person or a bad forumer - it's because of hate, it's because of bullies, it's because of a handful of die-hard bullies who don't leave me alone!

Also, they jagex changed the write up several times as to the reason I was banned.
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07-Dec-2018 16:25:55 - Last edited on 07-Dec-2018 17:03:59 by Dong U Dead

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2_Tron said:
Its amazing that it still happens and nothing can be done about it.
Regardless what the OP does post about 'bans / mutes / moderation' this person always ends up being attacked by players & fmods the same way as in the past and players & fmods are specialists in getting the thread 'off-topic' / 'able to be locked' without really talking about the subject a mature way.
You all should be ashamed always trying to corner a person so you are able to exterminate them off The RSOF and Jagex doing nothing about other than feeding the group endlessly.
Is this the way to communicate with each other?

It's always has been this way and often their words aren't truthful, they will do and say anything to drag a person down, to get people on their side - it has been a hell road, but I won't give up, because of a handful of people and their followers and there constant trolling (it goes beyond trolling, way beyond) But because these people have back up, because these people are good with word, because these people have the support they always come out on top. It's like a pack of wolves attacking someone weaker than them, well so they think. Jagex has supported them, they have never been actioned, just a few bans here and there and not all of them. It's very sad.

I took the off topic's posts in this thread to forum help, but nothing was done. It's just another form of trolling, negativity.
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07-Dec-2018 16:42:14

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Thanks Scouse, but I won't bring it in-game.



Omgosh Louiellen this thread is not about disagreements and arguments - you might want to look up the word bullying, belittling, harassing, hating there is a huge difference. Those that have and still harass are done openly - it's still happening on a near daily bases and yes it is harassment if they just target one person on a near-daily basis. As I said they are often done in a way that others around them won't be affected by it; very clever with words a couple of them. You Louiellen are not who I am talking of, but you are of the same mind, you often around the forums leave belittling, derogatory, not truthful posts in different threads, you have also done it in this very thread - I can't report you because I don't trust forum review, forum help can't help because they are apart of you, not necessarily of the same mind.

Go over to Off Topic Lounge there is a bit of a debate going on at the moment, people are belittling me because I am not of the same mind as them, but I am not talking about this, this thread is not about things like this, this thread is purely about harassment, negative posts left about the place towards certain players. Moderators and Jagex know exactly what I am talking about.

We have all had disagreements which at times have exploded out of control and have become quite nasty and moderators have needed to come in to cool the situation down - this thread not about this. Move away from disagreements Louiellen, this thread is not about this.
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07-Dec-2018 22:33:47

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Aeroxmaster said:
No support - bans should be a last resort.

Post threads in the correct section and simply ignore. Also approach things from a neutral standpoint. We cannot ban negative posts. Significant trolling yes, but not simply negative posts.

I don't think the entire forums are affected by this, are they?


That is what I am asking, for the last resort, these threads get hidden time and time and time again and guess what they come back and do it time and time and time again - as I have stated, it's needs to move up a notch, as hiding posts are not working.

And yes, certain individuals are affected by this nearly on a daily bases. If it doesn't affect you or the most of you, you or the most of you have no concerns, you or the most of you are not trolled on a nearly daily bases, you or the most of you don't come into the forums and find nasty comments here there and everywhere about you, towards you - so why care, it doesn't affect you, it doesn't affect the most of you, so why would you care.
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Even selected posts get hidden, you get several posts in a row, neither of them any better or worse than the other, a moderator will come in and choose posts to hide and name and shame, leaving certain forumers alone. Shocking!

There is also one set of rules for this person and another set for that person.

I have been banned heaps and a majority of it's for fighting against this or stuff similar to this post/thread. I haven't been perfect, but it amazing how many people who have had there arses saved because of who they are.
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09-Dec-2018 18:54:22 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2018 19:00:50 by Dong U Dead

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It depends on who it is if it's hard to get banned, some people just need to smile the wrong way, others can cross the line several plus times a day for weeks, months, years and not get look at, very bias in the forums, in forum help and fmr.
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@Fifi, just the other day you and another forumer posted a very negative comment towards another poster, I can only guess who it was towards, it's since been hidden - I find these type comments on the forum by yourself and others on a regular bases - so I don't' think you are one to comment about me and my Stop the Negative Posting Type Thread until you and others like you stop your nasty remarks that are left around the forum for certain posters to find <- this is what this thread is about. It happens on near daily bases, not from you, but you still do it, it hasnt' stopped and I want it to stop.

A poster should be able to come into the forums and not find nasty comments left by a few individuals in different threads, hiding the post is not working, so the next step should be temp ban 3X and if they still don't' get the message a perm - but I am sure they would stop by a perm ban.

I don't want anyone to be banned, I want the nasty comments to stop!
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13-Dec-2018 09:49:51 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2018 09:55:19 by Dong U Dead

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@Fifi, I didn't even bother reading your latest post on this thread, you are one of the offenders I talk about. You know exactly what you do and get up too. Stop it and tell your friends to stop it too. Once it is stopped these threads will stop too. There is only a handful of you these days, other friends and alts seem to have stopped - stop Fife, stop with the hurtful posts that you randomly post around the forums, you I have to admit are not doing as often as your friends, but you still do it.
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13-Dec-2018 16:38:56

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Tuffty said:
2_Tron said:
That's how you moderate these days Tuffty ... that's how you moderate these days as you could care less what happens with another individual.
You care less how much another individual becomes attacked because the scapegoat your using is ... 'somewhere in this world there's a place people don't care what will be said'.
That world is where money is handed out to start forgetting or look to the other side to see nothing.

Good luck with that dude.


I moderate within the set of guidelines Jagex provide for the F-Mods. Also within the Code of Conduct and the Forum Rules.

No, you pick and choose who to moderate and who to name and shame - it certainly not done fairly. It happened just recently. You are not alone with this form of moderation.

I am sure people are starting to see what I have stated in this thread and the other thread of similar nature - Specific Posters Thread Hiding.
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13-Dec-2018 16:45:04

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I was referring to examples of a negative posts just the other day in Forum Changes Thread, plus one in the Christmas Adventure thread, and there has been other, I can't remember them all, as it happens nearly daily, sometimes more than once in a day - I don't know who they are all towards, I can only guess, fifi is not involved in all of them. I only brought up the one that fifi was involved in because she basically stated that I am making it all up I am being a victim (this thread page 14, post 2).

The negative, troll, hurtful post happen nearly daily and it's the same few unless there friends and alts turn up. All I want is for all the negative posts to stop. Hiding the thread is not stopping it, they just post in a different area or on a different day.

I don't' want people banned, I want the negative posting to stop!


But if they are not getting the message maybe a temp ban is the answer.
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FiFi La Lush said:
You think it's okay to bad-mouth me again on this thread? Isn't that you bullying me? ........ oh, but I suppose it's okay for you to do that even though targetting a specific individual - naming & shaming - is against the Rules because, of course, you are the injured party here. Not the people you are ripping into. The people you are urging the FMods to mute/ban don't matter, do they.

But hey. Whatever makes you feel good, Dong.

I am sorry, I don't feel I was bad mouthing you. I was trying to give an example of what certain forumers have to put up with.

People seem to find it ok if this person trolls or posts negative etc but this person over here does it, all hell breaks loose - exactly what happened in Off-topic over the last few days or so. It seems to me if its a friend, trolling and negativity is fine, but if it's someone you don't like the rules change and you will make a big fuss out of it. It's sad, very sad!
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14-Dec-2018 01:49:30

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FiFi La Lush said:
And you're not posting totally negatively about me? Specifically me (atm) and specifically other people earlier in this thread. You don't seem to have a good word to say about anyone. We all appear to be either bullies or indolent Moderators.




You are indulging in exactly the behaviour that you say you find so abhorrent. At this very moment you are in the OT Lounge, trolling, baiting, pushing for a negative response and desperately seeking to stir up ill-feeling and chaos.

You seem to thrive on manufacturing crisis after crisis. And then complaining long and loud that you are the victim in all of it.

Just stop. People are sick to death of your drama-llama threads and posts.

And I am sick to death of finding negative posts around the forums. It' goes both ways fifi.

I don't like making these threads or posts, but when on a daily basis you find insulting, hurtful, negative, troll posts around the forums - here there and everywhere it needs to stop.

I am sorry if putting in examples has hurt your feeling, I am sorry if I have hurt a moderators feelings - I don't want to do that, I just don't know how to get this problem out there to be addressed.

Edit: I notice you have your friends coming in to support you.
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14-Dec-2018 02:09:07 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2018 02:12:23 by Dong U Dead

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Miu said:
Dong U Dead said:
Edit: I notice you have your friends coming in to support you.


Dong, I'll support you when you're right, and be against you when you're wrong. You know that. Allegations of conspiracy do not help your cause.

You are dreadfully in the wrong.

No, I am not in the wrong!

- why did you just now come in now with this issue with fifi? This thread has been up and about for a while and suddenly the two usual supporters have arrived when fifi arrived - in my mind that is how I see it.

I am not lying about the posts around the forums - Jagex and moderators can easily see them, they are the ones that constantly hide them.

It's a shame that negative posts towards me or others seem to be okay, but it's not okay to address it.
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14-Dec-2018 02:37:14 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2018 02:37:55 by Dong U Dead

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No, I have not derailed the thread, what has been discussed is exactly what it's about.

People have come in denying that what I am stating isn't happening when it certainly is. This is what happens every time, I state hey this isn't on, this needs to change then the same group come in turn it on me, I then retaliate back, it goes back and forth and it turns to custard. I believe this happens because a handful of players don't want things to change, they enjoy leaving the hurtful, negative, troll posts around the forums and therefore turn it back on me, as it has happened in this thread - so once again the problem I am addressing doesn't get addressed because they have cleverly turned it on me, very cleverly executed by players very clever with words and a good network of friends that can come in and support them.
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14-Dec-2018 04:05:49

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